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Characters switching hands

chickenhedchickenhed Member Posts: 208
One of the things that annoyed me most about BG2 was the characters in the games switching between being right handed and left handed depending on which direction they faced. Didn't BG:EE use the 1pp mod? And if so, (and I could be wrong here) did it not fix that issue back when it was made for TuTu/BGT/BG2?

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  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    BG:EE did use the 1pp mod. Obviously that didn't fix the issue. It would take quite a lot of effort to fix this as all the sprites would need to be redrawn. I doubt that it will ever happen sadly.
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    Yeah, it's an engine thing. I don't think they did it in vanilla bg1, but now they both use the bg2 engine. It's way to much effort to put into such a minor problem, so it won't ever be changed:/
  • abacusabacus Member Posts: 1,307
    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    Dual wielding the same weapon type kind of makes it less noticeable. But it sucks when you use a weapon and shield, for example.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    Tresset said:

    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
    Why not both?
    D:
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    jackjack said:

    Tresset said:

    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
    Why not both?
    D:
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  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,584
    jackjack said:

    Tresset said:

    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
    Why not both?
    D:
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  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    Tresset said:

    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
    My grandfather was born left handed, but went to Catholic School. Nuns with rulers can apparently fix anything. :s
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    edited June 2014
    DreadKhan said:

    Tresset said:

    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
    My grandfather was born left handed, but went to Catholic School. Nuns with rulers can apparently fix anything. :s
    I think samurai where all trained to be right handed so that they could fight in formation. Rather ironically, in some respects, considering southpaws have a considerable advantage in combat.
    Is your grandfather very right handed now or ambidextrous? I'm terribly right handed. When I try to right with my left hand it's not even recognizable as writing. Not that my right hand can say much better:)



    @SharGuidesMyHand‌ I... don't think I understand...
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Another reason why BG1 sprites are better.

    But what do I know.
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    Quartz said:

    Another reason why BG1 sprites are better.

    But what do I know.

    You know nothing Quartz Snow...
  • chickenhedchickenhed Member Posts: 208
    Quartz said:

    Another reason why BG1 sprites are better.

    But what do I know.

    Totally agree.
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,653
    edited June 2014
    I'm left-handed so I think about this a lot. Being left-handed in real life would mean you can't use a sword and shield technique unless you force yourself to put the sword in the right hand and learn that way, because that whole thing is based upon both opponents having the sword in the right hand. When the opponents face each other, her sword is lined up on your shield, and vice versa.

    If you reversed the hands and fought a right-handed opponent, which would be most of them, each person would have their swords and shields lined up, sword to sword and shield to shield. That would render the shields worthless. You'd be much better off leaving your right hand, which is your off hand if you're a southpaw, free to either grapple or hold a smaller close-in weapon like a dagger. So, dual-wielding would be practical for a left-handed person, and you'd possibly have an advantage doing it.

    There could also be an advantage for southpaws in two-handed technique, especially if your opponent didn't notice that your hands were reversed in their top-bottom positions. What they'd be expecting to be your weaker backhand attack would actually be your strong forehand attack. It might take them a minute to realize that you're preferring to swing your slash attack to their left instead of to their right as they expect, and that minute could be fatal to them.

    Given that I learn to do a lot of things in life using my right hand, and have a mixed-up kind of ambidexterity at many tasks, as I think that many southpaws do, you could probably learn to mix some left and right techniques. But sword-and-board with shield on the right hand would be out of the question. You'd have to learn to use the sword in right hand, and you'd be forever disadvantaged fighting with your weak side against most other people fighting with their strong side.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    meagloth said:

    DreadKhan said:

    Tresset said:

    abacus said:

    Personally, I was always annoyed that you couldn't make a character left handed...
    But, I'm a southpaw myself, and so am use to being neglected by society.

    Bah! If you think that is being neglected by society then you should try being Autistic some time...
    My grandfather was born left handed, but went to Catholic School. Nuns with rulers can apparently fix anything. :s
    I think samurai where all trained to be right handed so that they could fight in formation. Rather ironically, in some respects, considering southpaws have a considerable advantage in combat.
    Is your grandfather very right handed now or ambidextrous? I'm terribly right handed. When I try to right with my left hand it's not even recognizable as writing. Not that my right hand can say much better :)
    He ended up ambidexterous, since he was 6 or 7 when he was forced to switch hands. Apparently lefties were evil back then... I have decent useability with my left hand, in part because of learning some piano, using hatchets to move firewood and welding... welders have to be somewhat ambidexterous, or life gets very difficult!

    In boxing and othed ceremonial combat (mma, dueling, etc), any significant difference from the norm will result in an advantage, and curiously enough, unless your are training vs a leftie occaisionally, more training will likely leave you less prepared to fight a leftie. In contrast, the leftie is probably used to facing righties, but if he isnt facing lefties, he'll have problems vs a leftie too!

    On a pitched battlefield though, such as a phalanx or maniple formation, sticking out period on the front line is very, very dangerous. Part of just how badass Centurions were expected to be, they were known to wear silver plated armour and always wore special helms to stand out in battle.
  • CoM_SolaufeinCoM_Solaufein Member Posts: 2,606
    You have to understand that the characters hands get tired from holding on to those weapons in the same hand so they have to switch every so often. :)
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