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The Sword Coasts Not So Deadliest Warriors. ROUND 2

deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
Everyone can debate on who can win in a fight versus a Beholder and a Lich, but what about the bottom feeders of the XP chain? Which one holds the glory over all other minor annoyances.
If one of these creatures were pitted against each other, which one would come out on top. Elite versions do not count. Cast your vote, explain it and may the loser be chunked by the lvl 1 Warrior with a dagger.
  1. The Sword Coasts Not So Deadliest Warriors. ROUND 249 votes
    1. Wild Dog
      61.22%
    2. Gibberling
      38.78%

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  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    Gibberlings are damage dealing MACHINES!

    But they really just want a hug.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited July 2014
    You stated "gibberlings" rather than the more commonly found (at least in BG1) diseased gibberlings. So I'm voting based on normal gibberlings.

    Wild dog has 9 health vs gibberlings 8 health. It also has 19 thac0 vs 20 thac0. However, it only does 1d4 damage vs a gibberlings 1d8. Overall I would say that the gibberling is more likely to win.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    I.Hate.Dogs!

    Gibberlings for me. They even have their own theme song! How cool is that?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i_QlzoGN18
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,584
    Based on the responses, I thought that I would be the only one to vote "wild dog," when in fact they're actually winning the poll.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    @SharGuidesMyHand‌ thats why poor Gibberlings want a hug. :(
  • dustbubsydustbubsy Member Posts: 249
    A female paladin entered the arena and killed all the gibberlings, the wild dogs win by default.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    I'm a dog person.
  • TheGraveDiggerTheGraveDigger Member Posts: 336
    Gibberling is just another word for dog food.
  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    Been killed by more loan gibberlings at level 1 than by a wild dog...........and they gib you..........get it? I'll see myself into the corner
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    I'm surprised so many people are choosing wild dog here.
  • ElrandirElrandir Member Posts: 1,664
    elminster said:

    I'm surprised so many people are choosing wild dog here.

    Well I think we're all thinking of the diseased gibberling. After reading your previous post, I would be inclined to choose gibberling too. Oh well. It seems I've chosen the wrong answer in both of these first two polls...
  • kiwidockiwidoc Member Posts: 1,437
    edited July 2014
    As far as I am concerned gibblerings are just little pieces of bloody flesh flying around the screen - hell I even refer to them as giblets, not gibberlings. Wild dogs have to be able to beat them.

    btw wild dogs have been known to eat my mages if I'm not careful.
  • CaloNordCaloNord Member Posts: 1,809
    Upon closer inspection. . . they aren't that cute. . .
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  • ElrandirElrandir Member Posts: 1,664
    CaloNord said:

    Upon closer inspection. . . they aren't that cute. . .
    image

    They have a goatee. Obviously they are the most evil of evil creatures.
  • CaloNordCaloNord Member Posts: 1,809
    I was going to grow a goatee but it was "Vorboten" by the fiancee. :(

    I wanna look evil damn it!! :P

    I'm actually changing my mind it is kinda cute. . .
  • dustbubsydustbubsy Member Posts: 249
    If you Google Images Gibberling you find some really cute ones from some other game system. It's actually pretty funny.
  • CaloNordCaloNord Member Posts: 1,809
    I know! From another game but LOOK AT THEM!!!!

    Who could bring harm to such a beautiful creature!

    Ashamed of you dog people! ;)

    image
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    Gibberling: AC 10, thac0 20, deals 1d8 dmg, has 8 hit points
    Wild Dog: AC 7, thac0 19, deals 1d4 dmg, has 9 hit points

    I have to admit that these two are pretty evenly matched but it comes down to this:
    p(gibberling hits dog) = 0.40, average dmg = 4.5 so the expectation of dmg/round = (0.40)(4.5) = 1.8 --> the dog should last 5 rounds
    p(dog hits gibberling) = 0.60, average dmg = 2.5 so the expectation of dmg/round = (0.6)(2.5) = 1.5 --> the gibberling should last 5.33 rounds
    Thus in the long run the average gibberling will outlast the average wild dog --> gibberlings win.

    I did not take into account critical hits, of course.
    Gibberling has a 5% chance of doing double damage and then each doubled result of 10, 12, 14, or 16 damage has a 12.5% chance of happening, which we will condense into the simpler "50% chance of killing the dog" so p(gibberling one-shots the dog on a critical hit) = (0.05)(0.50) = .0025
    The dog, on the other hand, will have a only a (0.05)(.25) = .00125 chance of killing the gibberling with a critical hit.
    Although the gibberling is twice as likely to kill the dog with a critical hit, both of them have such a low chance of happening that we may ignore them, which is why I didn't worry about accounting for critical hits.
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