In the meantime for additional kits I was thinking of making one for a monk who worships a neutral god. Anyone have any thoughts on who it should be? ( I was thinking maybe a monk that worships Akadi)
Monks of the Weeping Friars would perhaps make the most sense in Icewind Dale, given that they were created by R.A. Salvatore for his Sojourn novel. Only downside would be that these fanatics worship Ilmater and are probably more likely than not of Lawful Good/Lawful Neutral alignment.
Speaking of Ilmater, he also has a rather interesting (and purely Neutral) cult in his pocket: the Cult of Shared Suffering. As the name suggest, their believe is probably best described as an perfect unison of Ilmater and Loviatar teachings.
Other official Lawful Neutral monk orders would be; - Brothers and Sisters of the Pure Flame (Kossuth) - The Old Order (no deity) - The Shining Hand (Azuth)
Also interesting of note is the Hin Fist, being founded by halflings of Yondalla and thus being a shorty only order. It would be really interesting to see non-human monks for a change as well! Though knowing Black Isle, the Monk's racial restriction is probably hardcoded.
I also did write up a neutral/evil monk kit excluisive for half-orcs once that worships the orcish god of death and diseases Yurtrus. But this kit would also have to face the same hurdle as the Monks of the Hin Fist...
"If I install that component, and then install my Scales of Balance cleric kits or DR's cleric kits, will our other mod kits be able to properly get spells?"
Nope.
Based on my notes I would say that it is possible (IE very, very likely) that they would be missing
(spoilered due to space)
3rd Level
Animate Dead
5th Level
Cure Critical Wounds Flame Strike Mass Cure Light Wounds Raise Dead Righteous Magic Righteous Wrath of the Faithful Slay Living
6th Level
Aerial Servant Bolt of Glory False Dawn Heal
7th level
Energy Drain Finger of Death Greater Restoration Regeneration Resurrection Unholy Word
Paladin kits would also be affected (and same goes for the druid core components and rangers).
I did however point out this out in the compatibility section of my mods page (though I could certainly explain this better given what I currently have written there).
I have plans for another 20 non-cleric, non-paladin, non-ranger, non-druid kits, most of which I'm finishing the writing up on now (biographies + descriptions). So while the mod is quite cleric heavy at this stage in the future I expect that DR/Scales of Balance/Kitpack will be semi-compatible with eachother provided people avoid my cleric/paladin/ranger/druid kits.
Kits I'm planning on including in future patches include.
Fighter kits
-Breachgnome (gnome only) -Mercenary (halfling only) - Savage
Ranger kits
-Feralan -Giant Killer
Monk kits
-Monk of the Weeping Friars (Ilmater) -Monk of the Shimmering Wind (Akadi) -Disciple of the Phoenix (Kossuth – good aligned) -Brothers and Sisters of the Pure Flame (Kossuth – neutral aligned) -Disciple of the Salamander (Kossuth – evil aligned) -The Shining Hand (Azuth) -Order of the Long Death (No deity) -Zealots of the Written Word (Denair) -Disciple of the Yielding Way (Eldath) -Disciple of the Changeless Face (Grumbar) -Disciple of the White Rod (Loviatar) -Children of the Passive Voice (Oghma) -The Old Order (no deity)
-Treetender (gnome only) -Dreadmaster of Bane -Deathstalker of Bhaal -Gray One of Myrkul -Priest of Labelas Enoreth (elves and half-elves only)
Druid kits
-Lost Druid -Savage
At this stage I've written up descriptions and biographies for all the fighter, ranger, and monk kits in this list. As well as the Pest Controller, Vermin Slayer, and Savage (druid).
Ouch. And it's mandatory? Why not split apart the bare kits and the spell stuff? Divine Remix finally split apart its kits and spell spheres after like 8 years, now you're going in the other direction...
Gosh how terrible...
Having just now tested it the only thing that would happen that I can think of if someone didn't install the Core Components is that my kits (and only my kits) would be unbalanced (as a result of no longer having a good portion of their penalties but getting a bunch of upsides). Thats it. All the cleric, ranger, druid, and paladin kits (that aren't my own) and base classes would behave as normal. Considering however that they are single class clerics who often lack the ability to dual class I'm not too concerned about it.
Edit: To avoid any confusion for the next patch I will rename Core Components something like "Cleric Kit Penalties" and adjust any mechanical details if needed. Anyone who wants to use the penalties can use them with the understanding that they won't be compatible with other mods. Anyone who wants more compatibility can avoid them (with the understanding that the text will be wrong and the kits will lose most of their downsides).
Not to downplay my understanding of Weidu here but
Camdawg = An exceptional modder who clearly has been working with Weidu/the Infinity Engine for many years and knows his stuff.
elminster = Slightly above "Sweet mother of god I opened the exe file and it worked."
In other words its been like a week since I posted this and at this stage 57 people have downloaded it. Its also not compatible at the moment with Macs or Linux, further limiting the potential for downloading growth. Icewind Dale has a lot lower profile than Baldur's Gate so I'm not too worried about incompatibility for the moment.
For that matter, DR has code for other modders to use its spheres; why not hook into that system instead of reinventing the wheel?
Grognar like wheel! You no like Grognar's wheel? Grognar not happy.
Just thinking out loud here, don't mean to sound too critical.
I'm certainly willing to clear up the compatibility explanation for my mod in the interim, and if I can "hook in" to DR its something I can do then I will look into in a distant future patch. DR has been out for 9 years, my mod has been out for 1 week. There are also a lot less mods to be worried about when it comes to Icewind Dale compared to BG2 (and DR is intended to be compatible with the original BG2 and all the EE games so that is quite a bit of scope in terms of the mods it could theoretically affect). As I understand it DR also used to implement a sphere system with the intent to do that for all clerics (and cleric spells), not just the spells relevant to the kits it introduces, so its more invasive than my mod (which only semi-does it to the kits I introduce). Lets keep some perspective here.
For some reason incompatibilities between mods bothers me
Considering the "kit" makes an appearance in IWD2, I would love to see a "Painbearer of Ilmater" kit for Monks. If only because the desire for a monk to be like a god who not only favored unarmed fighting, but favored peace and healing others while taking the pain unto himself (as well as defending against those who would cause pain) could mean for unique healing and counter-attack/defensive abilities for a monk that serves him.
Just installed this mod with Scales of Balance and wanted to post that the reworked weapon proficiency system in SOB doesn't work with the IWDEE Kitpack. Just made a Divinate of Mystra and he lacks any weapon points. I installed IWDEE Kitpack, forgoing the "Cleric Kit Penalties" and "Druid Kit Penalties" components as recommended on the OP. I then installed Scales of Balance. All the kits of the two mods seem to be present, but again...no weapon proficiencies.
This isn't really a bug or critique post, but more of a heads up to anyone considering to use this in conjunction with Scales of Balance. If anyone wants to use the two mods together, it seems like you may have to edit your characters using EEKeeper to make some aspects work right.
Is it only me or Paladin of Mystra's minor sequencer doesn't work? Sequencer is casted but innate icon for activating doesn't apper. If everybody have same mistake I suggest replace this file in override, should work.
Is it only me or Paladin of Mystra's minor sequencer doesn't work? Sequencer is casted but innate icon for activating doesn't apper. If everybody have same mistake I suggest replace this file in override, should work.
Just installed this mod with Scales of Balance and wanted to post that the reworked weapon proficiency system in SOB doesn't work with the IWDEE Kitpack. Just made a Divinate of Mystra and he lacks any weapon points. I installed IWDEE Kitpack, forgoing the "Cleric Kit Penalties" and "Druid Kit Penalties" components as recommended on the OP. I then installed Scales of Balance. All the kits of the two mods seem to be present, but again...no weapon proficiencies.
This isn't really a bug or critique post, but more of a heads up to anyone considering to use this in conjunction with Scales of Balance. If anyone wants to use the two mods together, it seems like you may have to edit your characters using EEKeeper to make some aspects work right.
Looks like you made this exact same post over on the Scales of Balance thread so there is nothing for me to really say (and discussion about it probably is best over on one of its thread since it might be an issue with any kit mod).
Yeah, it's not a big problem, as the two mods aren't advertised as being compatible. I just thought that both Scales of Balance and the IWDEE Kit Pack are awesome, and if anyone was like me and considered using them both at the same time, they might want the heads up that there may be issues.
Warning. Priest of Auril's dialogue apparently was screwed up in the last patch. So that kit won't install correctly at the moment. I'm working on a fix.
I'm certainly willing to clear up the compatibility explanation for my mod in the interim, and if I can "hook in" to DR its something I can do then I will look into in a distant future patch. DR has been out for 9 years, my mod has been out for 1 week. There are also a lot less mods to be worried about when it comes to Icewind Dale compared to BG2 (and DR is intended to be compatible with the original BG2 and all the EE games so that is quite a bit of scope in terms of the mods it could theoretically affect). As I understand it DR also used to implement a sphere system with the intent to do that for all clerics (and cleric spells), not just the spells relevant to the kits it introduces, so its more invasive than my mod (which only semi-does it to the kits I introduce). Lets keep some perspective here.
One of the goals with DR v8 was to try and make it a little more extensible for other modders, specifically with a whole mess of macros to make it easier. Yes, worry about your stuff first--but you might find compatibility with DR's spheres is a little easier than you might have thought.
Looks like an amazing mod, but can anyone direct me as to how to install it? Not exactly sure where to be saving the file when I download it. I've never modded BG or IWD so I have no idea what I'm doing.. hahahaha
Looks like an amazing mod, but can anyone direct me as to how to install it? Not exactly sure where to be saving the file when I download it. I've never modded BG or IWD so I have no idea what I'm doing.. hahahaha
Do you know how to extract from a RAR file? (as in take files and folders found in a rar file and put them somewhere) I'm not trying to be condescending I just don't know your level of computer literacy.
Anyways @Lewis244 you may find this of some help. Its my incomplete readme. For the most part (formatting issues remain) the section on installation should be done. Ignore the compatibility section since apparently its incorrect and keep in mind about 1/2 of the kits mentioned are not yet available.
Thanks a lot for creating all those kits, you're making my dream come true. Now since I am essentially interested in the priest of Auril atm I have 3 questions/requests
First I read on many website that an Aurilite is restricted to chain mail and sometimes I even read leather, what do you think about it? Do you think you might implement it? To somehow balance the kit a bit more.
Second, as you might already know since you added a spell for it, they can use ice dagger, my question is what do you think about allowing an Aurilite to use dagger or at least some of them? I am saying this because there is so much awesome daggers in icewind dale and it would be too bad in my opinion not to be able to use them, particularly
Fang of the Gloomfrost (that is a dagger made out of ice if I recall) and breath of Auril (no need for explanation)
And third I read sometimes that they are highly vulnerable to fire (which make sense), do you think an Aurilite could have an innate -50 or -100 to fire damage?
Voila, I hope that you will considers those ideas in your future release.
First I read on many website that an Aurilite is restricted to chain mail and sometimes I even read leather, what do you think about it? Do you think you might implement it? To somehow balance the kit a bit more.
Yea I'm not touching item usabilities. If people want to play the class they are more than free to not use anything more than chainmail with it.
Edit: I might be able to use an op-code to restrict this. So restricting to a max of chainmail is something I might look into.
Since cold resistance is pretty common most of the spells the kit is granted aren't even that useful. So I think its balanced enough already.
Second, as you might already know since you added a spell for it, they can use ice dagger
Icepriests are a specialty priest that can use bludgeoning weapons and a ceremonial ice axe. No daggers.
And third I read sometimes that they are highly vulnerable to fire (which make sense), do you think an Aurilite could have an innate -50 or -100 to fire damage?
Nope. Nothing I've read supported that and also Lysan doesn't have any fire vulnerability.
It seems you are right, there are so many url with different definition, I think this one is the closest to your kit there is not even any armor type restriction. Though Im pretty darn sure a long time ago there was an auril kit when I installed bigworldproject. And it was limited to leather. Anyway it doesn't prevent from role playing it.
Thanks for the advice, subtledoctor! I uninstalled/re-installed my mods, cleaned out my "override" folder, and everything is working fine now. And I'll make sure to post in the right threads from now on.
Item restriction by opcode May not be a good option. I tried this a long time ago in vanilla bg and items restricted in this way had a different colouring than items restricted via usability flag. It really looked different and stuck out. It is possible that the behavior had changed in ee however
New update is out. Among other things (including introducing new kits) I did some internal restructuring (from a folder standpoint), just to make it a lot easier to figure out internally. So basically if you've got an existing game with one of the kits I would probably not reinstall a kit you are using.
Ahhhh crap. I wish I knew about that Ilmater monk-kit mod *BEFORE* I made a monk role-playing as a worshiper of Ilmater. Now I have to either just bear with it until another run or pull a Rasaad.
Ahhhh crap. I wish I knew about that Ilmater monk-kit mod *BEFORE* I made a monk role-playing as a worshiper of Ilmater. Now I have to either just bear with it until another run or pull a Rasaad.
Well I did post earlier about kits I plan to include in future patches. I just wanted to get the various monk orders out of the way.
Kits I'm planning on including in future patches now include.
Fighter kits
- Savage
Ranger kits
-Feralan (human only)
Cleric kits
-Treetender (gnome only) -Dreadmaster of Bane -Deathstalker of Bhaal -Gray One of Myrkul -Priest of Labelas Enoreth (elves and half-elves only)
Druid kits
-Lost Druid -Savage
No ETA on any of this though.
Ohh and if anyone has any specific suggestions for where new dialogue would be good for any of the current or future kits feel free to post about them.
Its probably going to be awhile before I get a chance to patch this. Mostly due to real life stuff (along with other work in progress mods). That said I figured I'd post this anyways. Its the current biography for the Feralan kit (this may change).
"Many years ago, as a child likely around the age of 5 or 6, you fell out of a wagon you were traveling on with your parents. Your parents were probably asleep at the time, and it is likely they didn't notice your absence until quite some time later.
You have few memories after that. One in particular stands out of you wandering a hillside looking for berries or nuts to eat, however you do remember eventually coming upon a pack of wolves. Sensing your dilemma a particularly astute mother wolf provided you with sustenance and raised you as one of her own. Your connections therefore with the civilized world are limited. Instead, you rely on your connection to those in your wolf clan to assist you when necessary.
In battle you favour using your own hands, legs, teeth, and agility over any weapon, though you lack the formal training in unarmed fighting that a monk might have. You have learned to make up for this through patience and stealth, learning from your wolf brothers and sisters of the value of striking targets at their weakest points.
Life amongst wolves has also not entirely robbed you of your humanity. You still inherently have a good spirit about you, even if your formal education is lacking. Many years in isolation from humans has left you unaware of cultural norms and practices. Save for the tattered remains of a shirt and pants that you grew out of long ago you have no possessions that hint of your origins or past, which has only served to worsen your memory. Admittedly, you are reluctant to return to human lands.
Yet like all wolf cubs it has become your time to leave the pack. Though travelling to human lands is not your ideal destination it has become a necessity. Amongst the lands of Icewind Dale and the Spine of the World humans have begun hunting wolves and animals more frequently these past few years, and you intend to find out why."
Thought people might be interested.
Also the mod has apparently been downloaded over 600 times so far. Considering its only been out for a few months (and nobody has responded "elminster this is a terrible mod, never mod again!") I'm pretty happy with that
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In the meantime for additional kits I was thinking of making one for a monk who worships a neutral god. Anyone have any thoughts on who it should be? ( I was thinking maybe a monk that worships Akadi)
Speaking of Ilmater, he also has a rather interesting (and purely Neutral) cult in his pocket: the Cult of Shared Suffering. As the name suggest, their believe is probably best described as an perfect unison of Ilmater and Loviatar teachings.
Other official Lawful Neutral monk orders would be;
- Brothers and Sisters of the Pure Flame (Kossuth)
- The Old Order (no deity)
- The Shining Hand (Azuth)
Also interesting of note is the Hin Fist, being founded by halflings of Yondalla and thus being a shorty only order. It would be really interesting to see non-human monks for a change as well! Though knowing Black Isle, the Monk's racial restriction is probably hardcoded.
I also did write up a neutral/evil monk kit excluisive for half-orcs once that worships the orcish god of death and diseases Yurtrus. But this kit would also have to face the same hurdle as the Monks of the Hin Fist...
Nope.
Based on my notes I would say that it is possible (IE very, very likely) that they would be missing
(spoilered due to space)
3rd Level
Animate Dead
5th Level
Cure Critical Wounds
Flame Strike
Mass Cure Light Wounds
Raise Dead
Righteous Magic
Righteous Wrath of the Faithful
Slay Living
6th Level
Aerial Servant
Bolt of Glory
False Dawn
Heal
7th level
Energy Drain
Finger of Death
Greater Restoration
Regeneration
Resurrection
Unholy Word
Paladin kits would also be affected (and same goes for the druid core components and rangers).
I did however point out this out in the compatibility section of my mods page (though I could certainly explain this better given what I currently have written there).
I have plans for another 20 non-cleric, non-paladin, non-ranger, non-druid kits, most of which I'm finishing the writing up on now (biographies + descriptions). So while the mod is quite cleric heavy at this stage in the future I expect that DR/Scales of Balance/Kitpack will be semi-compatible with eachother provided people avoid my cleric/paladin/ranger/druid kits.
Kits I'm planning on including in future patches include.
Fighter kits
-Breachgnome (gnome only)
-Mercenary (halfling only)
- Savage
Ranger kits
-Feralan
-Giant Killer
Monk kits
-Monk of the Weeping Friars (Ilmater)
-Monk of the Shimmering Wind (Akadi)
-Disciple of the Phoenix (Kossuth – good aligned)
-Brothers and Sisters of the Pure Flame (Kossuth – neutral aligned)
-Disciple of the Salamander (Kossuth – evil aligned)
-The Shining Hand (Azuth)
-Order of the Long Death (No deity)
-Zealots of the Written Word (Denair)
-Disciple of the Yielding Way (Eldath)
-Disciple of the Changeless Face (Grumbar)
-Disciple of the White Rod (Loviatar)
-Children of the Passive Voice (Oghma)
-The Old Order (no deity)
Thief kits
-Pest Controller (dwarf only)
-Vermin Slayer (dwarf only)
- Mouseburgler (gnome only)
- Scout
- Tumbler (gnome only)
Cleric kits
-Treetender (gnome only)
-Dreadmaster of Bane
-Deathstalker of Bhaal
-Gray One of Myrkul
-Priest of Labelas Enoreth (elves and half-elves only)
Druid kits
-Lost Druid
-Savage
At this stage I've written up descriptions and biographies for all the fighter, ranger, and monk kits in this list. As well as the Pest Controller, Vermin Slayer, and Savage (druid).
Having just now tested it the only thing that would happen that I can think of if someone didn't install the Core Components is that my kits (and only my kits) would be unbalanced (as a result of no longer having a good portion of their penalties but getting a bunch of upsides). Thats it. All the cleric, ranger, druid, and paladin kits (that aren't my own) and base classes would behave as normal. Considering however that they are single class clerics who often lack the ability to dual class I'm not too concerned about it.
Edit: To avoid any confusion for the next patch I will rename Core Components something like "Cleric Kit Penalties" and adjust any mechanical details if needed. Anyone who wants to use the penalties can use them with the understanding that they won't be compatible with other mods. Anyone who wants more compatibility can avoid them (with the understanding that the text will be wrong and the kits will lose most of their downsides).
Not to downplay my understanding of Weidu here but
Camdawg = An exceptional modder who clearly has been working with Weidu/the Infinity Engine for many years and knows his stuff.
elminster = Slightly above "Sweet mother of god I opened the exe file and it worked."
In other words its been like a week since I posted this and at this stage 57 people have downloaded it. Its also not compatible at the moment with Macs or Linux, further limiting the potential for downloading growth. Icewind Dale has a lot lower profile than Baldur's Gate so I'm not too worried about incompatibility for the moment. Grognar like wheel! You no like Grognar's wheel? Grognar not happy.
This isn't really a bug or critique post, but more of a heads up to anyone considering to use this in conjunction with Scales of Balance. If anyone wants to use the two mods together, it seems like you may have to edit your characters using EEKeeper to make some aspects work right.
If everybody have same mistake I suggest replace this file in override, should work.
Edit: The mod has been updated with a fix for it.
Edit: Fixed
Second: One of the goals with DR v8 was to try and make it a little more extensible for other modders, specifically with a whole mess of macros to make it easier. Yes, worry about your stuff first--but you might find compatibility with DR's spheres is a little easier than you might have thought.
First I read on many website that an Aurilite is restricted to chain mail and sometimes I even read leather, what do you think about it? Do you think you might implement it? To somehow balance the kit a bit more.
Second, as you might already know since you added a spell for it, they can use ice dagger, my question is what do you think about allowing an Aurilite to use dagger or at least some of them? I am saying this because there is so much awesome daggers in icewind dale and it would be too bad in my opinion not to be able to use them, particularly
Fang of the Gloomfrost (that is a dagger made out of ice if I recall) and breath of Auril (no need for explanation)
And third I read sometimes that they are highly vulnerable to fire (which make sense), do you think an Aurilite could have an innate -50 or -100 to fire damage?
Voila, I hope that you will considers those ideas in your future release.
Edit: I might be able to use an op-code to restrict this. So restricting to a max of chainmail is something I might look into.
Since cold resistance is pretty common most of the spells the kit is granted aren't even that useful. So I think its balanced enough already. Icepriests are a specialty priest that can use bludgeoning weapons and a ceremonial ice axe. No daggers. Nope. Nothing I've read supported that and also Lysan doesn't have any fire vulnerability.
http://www.nj-pbem.com/data/Gods/humangods/Auril.htm
Kits I'm planning on including in future patches now include.
Fighter kits
- Savage
Ranger kits
-Feralan (human only)
Cleric kits
-Treetender (gnome only)
-Dreadmaster of Bane
-Deathstalker of Bhaal
-Gray One of Myrkul
-Priest of Labelas Enoreth (elves and half-elves only)
Druid kits
-Lost Druid
-Savage
No ETA on any of this though.
Ohh and if anyone has any specific suggestions for where new dialogue would be good for any of the current or future kits feel free to post about them.
"Many years ago, as a child likely around the age of 5 or 6, you fell out of a wagon you were traveling on with your parents. Your parents were probably asleep at the time, and it is likely they didn't notice your absence until quite some time later.
You have few memories after that. One in particular stands out of you wandering a hillside looking for berries or nuts to eat, however you do remember eventually coming upon a pack of wolves. Sensing your dilemma a particularly astute mother wolf provided you with sustenance and raised you as one of her own. Your connections therefore with the civilized world are limited. Instead, you rely on your connection to those in your wolf clan to assist you when necessary.
In battle you favour using your own hands, legs, teeth, and agility over any weapon, though you lack the formal training in unarmed fighting that a monk might have. You have learned to make up for this through patience and stealth, learning from your wolf brothers and sisters of the value of striking targets at their weakest points.
Life amongst wolves has also not entirely robbed you of your humanity. You still inherently have a good spirit about you, even if your formal education is lacking. Many years in isolation from humans has left you unaware of cultural norms and practices. Save for the tattered remains of a shirt and pants that you grew out of long ago you have no possessions that hint of your origins or past, which has only served to worsen your memory. Admittedly, you are reluctant to return to human lands.
Yet like all wolf cubs it has become your time to leave the pack. Though travelling to human lands is not your ideal destination it has become a necessity. Amongst the lands of Icewind Dale and the Spine of the World humans have begun hunting wolves and animals more frequently these past few years, and you intend to find out why."
Thought people might be interested.
Also the mod has apparently been downloaded over 600 times so far. Considering its only been out for a few months (and nobody has responded "elminster this is a terrible mod, never mod again!") I'm pretty happy with that