If we defined evil as simply as and clearly as DnD does, you would find people for certain that detect as evil, but they almost certainly would not consider themselves evil.
A big issue is that in real life, evil is not necessarily bad all the time, and evil people can be useful or productive, especially those who respect the law. *shrug* This is really not going anywhere productive though, so I think I will probably just leave the thread with the observation that regardless of backstory, killing for enjoyment, as Korgan does, is evil.
well, what some of us is doing, is we compare DnD alignments to real world morality.
But there is no such thing as alignments in the real world. If there was, then certainly nobody would be "Evil".
Even the "murderers" who got gassed or electricuted have a story and reason to tell, its only the media which wants a good-frightening story which portrays them dat "evil" way
hence please stop all this alignement bs. Youre not chaotic neutral or neutral good, we IRL humans are much more complicated than that.
People may think "well I am chaotic good because I like being good but I also like freedom".
I like to eat apples, does this alone make me a vegetarian?
and yes, I think korgan as well as others should be neutral rather than evil.
I mean, ive been to jail and to shithole and back and i aint never met a truly "evil" person (aside from those people in church who think "god" gave them a right and a mission to kill/teach others their ways)
I am astounded that anyone on here could look at the world and not think that there are lots of people who would come up as evil under a D&D morality system. You have people out there using the system to basically steal from people (think crooked politicians, lawyers and others who abuse their power and/or knowledge of the rules to get what they want), actual thieves who care about nothing but themselves (think both about people actually breaking into residences and stealing to fund a drug habit or think about the bigger scale thieves running ponzi schemes that make them rich and eventually bankrupt their clients) and people who kill other people, rape others, etc.
Maybe I am more cynical than most on here but the idea that anyone could say there is no truly "evil" person according to a D&D morality scheme in a real world that produces people like Hitler, Bernie Madoff, John Wayne Gacy, etc. is hard for me to grasp.
If we defined evil as simply as and clearly as DnD does, you would find people for certain that detect as evil, but they almost certainly would not consider themselves evil.
A big issue is that in real life, evil is not necessarily bad all the time, and evil people can be useful or productive, especially those who respect the law. *shrug* This is really not going anywhere productive though, so I think I will probably just leave the thread with the observation that regardless of backstory, killing for enjoyment, as Korgan does, is evil.
Agreed. A bigger point here is that in D&D evil people are not bad all the time. Think of the commonly known Dragonlance stories and Raistlin. He isn't "evil" all the time. He can be loving and kind and is often a worth comrade in addition to his lust for power and selfishness. Even with its limited morality system, AD&D was never as simplistic as some people have tried to pigeonhole it and never envisioned that players would pick an alignment and then do things only according to one interpretation of how that alignment should go.
My Chaotic Neutral Barbarian must not be all that Chaotic, guys, because he doesn't steal everything not nailed down and hasn't taken a random level in Sorcerer for no reason. This is troubling news.
I'm Chaotic Neutral by the sheer fact that I have severe AD/HD and a very loose moral compass based primarily on my faulty cognitive functioning in relation to my poor understanding of socially acceptable behavior.
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A big issue is that in real life, evil is not necessarily bad all the time, and evil people can be useful or productive, especially those who respect the law. *shrug* This is really not going anywhere productive though, so I think I will probably just leave the thread with the observation that regardless of backstory, killing for enjoyment, as Korgan does, is evil.
Looks like he really traded his morays for the love of gold.
Maybe I am more cynical than most on here but the idea that anyone could say there is no truly "evil" person according to a D&D morality scheme in a real world that produces people like Hitler, Bernie Madoff, John Wayne Gacy, etc. is hard for me to grasp. Agreed. A bigger point here is that in D&D evil people are not bad all the time. Think of the commonly known Dragonlance stories and Raistlin. He isn't "evil" all the time. He can be loving and kind and is often a worth comrade in addition to his lust for power and selfishness. Even with its limited morality system, AD&D was never as simplistic as some people have tried to pigeonhole it and never envisioned that players would pick an alignment and then do things only according to one interpretation of how that alignment should go.
That and fire really turns me on.
...one of these things is not like the other...