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  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    @the_spyder Save me from people who think there are exactly 3 British accents: BBC, Scottish and Irish. :P

    booinyoureyes
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,162
    edited August 2015
    LadyRhian said:

    @the_spyder Save me from people who think there are exactly 3 British accents: BBC, Scottish and Irish. :P

    I think its even more funny how there are only two American accents: Generic and Super-thick Southern!

    I blame the New York-LA dominance of the entertainment industry.


    I think Game of Thrones was invented just to give us in the States exposure to various British accents... which for some reason is the language of fantasy films. I can just see the Geordie Shore starring the Onion Knight.

    Nimranthe_spyder
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511



    who cares if the accent is fake?

    Generally, the people from the place that is getting it's accent butchered.

    Nimran
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    edited August 2015
    LadyRhian said:

    @the_spyder Save me from people who think there are exactly 3 British accents: BBC, Scottish and Irish. :P

    Actually, the three are: Posh-London, Workin' Class Brit-stralian and Scott-irish. Agents of SHIELD manages to feature all three.

    "BBC" is obsolete. These days it doesn't matter what your accent is to be on the BBC, so long as your grammar is appalling.

    GoT-northern is potentially a fourth, but it doesn't seem to have spread very far beyond Westeros yet.

  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,162
    Fardragon said:


    GoT-northern is potentially a fourth, but it doesn't seem to have spread very far beyond Westeros yet.

    I think its fun that the most intelligent character is Scouse

  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    Fardragon said:



    who cares if the accent is fake?

    Generally, the people from the place that is getting it's accent butchered.
    You left off the pic, which was the entire point of the post. Allow me to rephrase.

    image

    If they look like this, who cares what accent they use or if it is fake or real.

    Better?

    booinyoureyes
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    Not really. Looks like a typical TV/movie plastic person. They all look alike.

  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,399
    I've mostly been avoiding this thread because I haven't seen some of the movies being discussed yet, but, I was wondering what you guys think about the latest Fantastic Four movie? Is it as bad as I'm hearing? If so, that's too bad, because FF was always one of my favorite Marvel titles.

    I thought the first one wasn't really all that bad. I kind of enjoyed it. The second one was pretty awful, because they messed up Galactus, among other reasons.

    So, is this latest attempt as bad as the buzz says it is?

  • mlnevesemlnevese Member, Moderator Posts: 9,474
    edited August 2015
    When you think the movie will start to go somewhere it ends...

    I'll not even start to discuss all the changes to the lore...

  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 15,948
    edited August 2015
    To be honest I have zero interest in seeing it.

    meagloth
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,162
    Personally, I wish they would just start with the Fantastic Four as already adults, and only reference the origin story in passing like they did with the Incredible Hulk movie.

    I'd even give them the kids (who are like the best characters anyway). Just establish what they do by having them face off against a giant monster or monsters (moloids anyone?) to showcase their powers and establish that they are beloved superheroes who are popular among the masses, as everyone cheers for them saving NYC yet again, and all the ladies go crazy and ask for Johnny's autograph while Reed and Sue share a moment of being a sweet couple and maybe seeing their kids. The Thing doesn't really enjoy it as much and then Reed feels bad and promises to find a cure. Then just jump into the story.

    The simple fact is that the Fantastic Four are AWESOME but their origin story is really very pedestrian. They should concentrate more on the SCIENCE-Y ADVENTURE and FAMILY themes rather than trying to be super serious.

    I haven't seen it yet but when I read reviews and hear that

    there was no real chemistry or cohesion between the characters, which leads to another plot hole in that one particular relationship that 'SHOULD' exist and is used to resolve another issue, feels empty and totally unexplained.

    I just feel like the people who made this fundamentally do NOT understand what makes the Fantastic Four appealing. I could tell straight from the trailers that they were just going to take it too seriously to begin with. They are so afraid of being corny that they made the movie really dark. I think they are afraid because they believe the first films failed for being corny, when really the problem wasn't that they were cheesy but that they were stupid.



    These movies need to be less The Dark Knight and more The Incredibles

    BelgarathMTHmlnevese
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    I'd go further and say that the people who made this movie did not know how to make movies at all. It was like a particularly dull and boring outing for a TV episode of something, only it wasn't sweeps week, so they didn't put much effort into it. The Penultimate battle was not very exciting. The crisis moment wasn't very much of a crisis moment at all and the resolution was previewed in the trailer.

    Again, I didn't personally care for any of the characters. There's a point where one particularly hot-headed character actually chooses to play the chicken and opt out of something dangerous where very thing up to that point suggests that he would be jumping out in front. And when a call for personal connection between the characters is necessary to further the plot, you wonder why it worked because the characters didn't seem that cohesive to begin with.

    I'd love to see a straight out monster mash movie with adult versions of the FF if that were in the offering but I suspect that this franchise will once again be left (rightfully or not) to rot on the vine.

    mlnevese
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    I've had a day to think on this and I think I figured out what went wrong with the movie. They tried so very hard to move the plot along that they didn't spend any time at all getting to know the characters. Without that simple piece, the relationships that should have existed, and which the plot hinges on, simply were not there (or at least the audience didn't have a chance to get engaged in them).

    Maybe it was because the actors couldn't pull them off, but honestly it felt more like they tried to cram in a much larger story line into a short movie and had to cut significant portions. That would explain a rather glaring and significant gap that takes place in the center of the movie as well. An event happens and then you get "(paraphrasing)... some time later". If they had actually shown what happened with the characters during that time frame maybe you would believe other sections better. Certainly it would have made the movie flow better instead of jolting along. But even that wouldn't have been a silver bullet in this case as certain things had to not only happen but be more fully explored before that point anyway.

    mlnevesebooinyoureyes
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    You can piece together what happened from the various comments on the internet. You can tell from "Chronicle" that Trank thinks comics take an unrealistic view of how people would act if they gains superpowers, so set out to create an Anti-Fantastic Four movie, replacing the bright and cheerful comic interpretation with body-shock horror. However, the studio started to get the jitters that this approach would alienate the hard-core fans. Lacking the skill to persuade the studio bosses that his approach would work, (failed Cha check) Trank became drunk and aggressive. Fox didn't have time to replace Trank before the rights would revert to Marvel/Disney (production had to start in 2014), so responded by slashing the budget, loosing three major FX heavy set pieces. This caused Trank to have a breakdown of sorts, becoming ever more drunk and aggressive. With the film in a mess, it was left to writer Simon Kinburg to try and assemble it into something that at least made sense and could spawn a sequel. He was responsible for the second half of the film.

    If Trank had been able to manage himself and the studio better, would this have been a good film? Possibly, but I'm pretty sure it would have still annoyed hardcore fans (the way Man of Steel annoyed me).

    booinyoureyes
  • SmilingSwordSmilingSword Member Posts: 827
    So far it looks like Fox could lose upwards of 60 mil on this fantastic failure, so maybe just maybe they will finally give up and let Marvel buy the rights back. I know they are saying, there is no chance of that happening, but we can always hope.

    Then Marvel could make the first good FF movie ever and if we lived in a perfect world they would cast Kristen Bell as Sue Richards and it wouldn't be a damned origin story.

    booinyoureyes
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 15,948
    On the surface it would seem like an odd casting choice but I could see it working.

  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    edited August 2015

    So far it looks like Fox could lose upwards of 60 mil on this fantastic failure, so maybe just maybe they will finally give up and let Marvel buy the rights back. I know they are saying, there is no chance of that happening, but we can always hope.

    Then Marvel could make the first good FF movie ever and if we lived in a perfect world they would cast Kristen Bell as Sue Richards and it wouldn't be a damned origin story.

    I think some companies think it's worth 60 million just to spit at a competitor. That was certainly the case of Sony until leaked emails told the shareholders that the leadership thought like that.

    I would be more interested in seeing Silver Surfer and the Skrulls in the GotG setting than another F4 film. The MCU has enough smart-ass scientists.

  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017
    @SmilingSword - LOL. I'd Love to see Veronica Mars as Sue Storm. Her brand of snarkiness would be, if not perfect, at least LOADS of fun to watch. Would Ryan Hansen play Johnny Storm?

    @Fardragon - If you honestly think that any company could survive in Hollywood with that business strategy, then you really don't know how it works over here.

    I think that a FF movie could be done, and done well. They just haven't got the right people behind it. Even if it stays in the X-verse, I still have hopes that they will get their act together. Certainly after a HUGE miss-step with X-3, they managed to pull things together again and keep Xmen alive (with high hopes for the next Xmen and the 'last' Wolverine movies).

    booinyoureyesBelgarathMTHSmilingSword
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    No, they won't survive. Nevertheless, that was Sony's stratagy. Thanks to North Korea, you can read the emails for yourself.

  • SmilingSwordSmilingSword Member Posts: 827
    edited August 2015
    Let's all take a minute to hate on Fox.
    image
    Really how do they manage to always get things so wrong? At least the new Deadpool is looking good, but what they did to him in that horrible Origins movie is still unforgivable. Galactus is not a cloud and why in the nine hells does Apocalypse look like a Ivan Ooze rip off?

    booinyoureyesNonnahswriter
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    I'm not a comic purist. I think Galactus looks stupid in the comics, and the cloud idea better.

    booinyoureyesSethDaviselminsterDreadKhan
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017

    At least the new Deadpool is looking good, but what they did to him in that horrible Origins movie is still unforgivable.

    So many things were done wrong with the Wolverine Origins movie. I think they've done a lot to recover for that. And I have high hopes for Deadpool.

    And I can't blame Fox exclusively for the new Fantastic Four movie. Fox might be guilty of a lot of ills, but that was a culmination of a lot of factors and can't be boiled down to some simple 'magic bullet'.

    SmilingSword
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,162
    I'm still waiting to see a real Doctor Doom. Why are they so afraid of making a Latveria and having a real Doom? I dunno

    SmilingSwordShapiroKeatsDarkMage
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,416
    What bothers me is that the comics are still selling like crap despite the success of these movies.

  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,017

    I'm still waiting to see a real Doctor Doom. Why are they so afraid of making a Latveria and having a real Doom? I dunno

    image

    booinyoureyesmlneveseShapiroKeatsDarkMage
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,162
    Honest Trailers: Fantastic Four (and its horrendous sequel)


    I give this an A+. I love how he agrees with my Incredibles comparison.

    mlneveseNonnahswriter
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