Petition for Dual Class and Multiclass Shaman

billbisco

In the Twitch Q&A session the devs were open to Shaman multiclass options.

Please allow for Shaman to have all the dual class and multiclass options that Clerics currently enjoy with Shaman taking the place of Cleric.

Fyi, you could multiclass as Shaman in PnP 2e D&D as well as dual class with them.

doggy

I want someone charname can't be. When I play certain classes I never bring the second best - as in the npc that is not me

billbisco

I don't understand your comment doggy.

CoryNewb

Shaman feels like something that once you chose, you don't take on any more classes.

doggy

Well just voting no.

And with no luck trying to explain that I find it difficult to bring for instance Rasaad if I am playing a ssm or Dorn if being a blackguard myself. Because of the dialogues but mostly I would never give the best gear to someone else.

billbisco

CoryNewb said:

Shaman feels like something that once you chose, you don't take on any more classes.

Shaman could multiclass in 2e. See complete book of humanoids. All classes could dual class in 2e which includes Shamans.

Fardragon

The complete book of humanoids shaman is completely unlike the SoD shaman.

Gallowglass

I don't think we yet know enough about this new class to have a valid opinion. For the moment, let's just trust in the devs and see what they deliver, rather than distracting them with change requests which may not be appropriate.

Fardragon

Inwould much rather see duel and multiclassed barbarians first.

Jarrakul

I would love to see dual and multiclassed barbarians. I would also love to see dual and multiclassed shamans. Ideally, I would like to see dual and multiclassed barbarian/shamans, because that just makes sense to me.

Faydark

I would like to see dual and multi-classed everything. More options, more fun imho. I'm still waiting for my Cleric/Mage/Thief multi-class! =D

Aramintai

If it's gonna be something like divine sorcerer then no, I don't want this as dual or multi class.

YupImMadBro

It'll end up becoming a mod or tweek anyways.

Jarrakul

Not unless they've made the system more flexible. As far as I know, there's no realistic was to mod in new multiclass/dual class combos (other than for barbarian, because it's technically a fighter kit).

Fardragon

If it where possible to mod a multiclass sorcerer someone would have done it by now.

Shaman may well be similar.

SmilingSword

I'm for duel class and mutliclass everything, but they probably just can't add more duels and multis because IE. Really we need that druid/ranger before anything else.
Also a way to add a kit to a multiclass without having to EE keeper it, would be nice.

Schneidend

SmilingSword said:

Also a way to add a kit to a multiclass without having to EE keeper it, would be nice.

No.

Adul

Might not hurt to have more choices. "Balance" is already a concept that's very alien to BG games. Thankfully.

Blades

I think multi Shaman/Mage would be OP. Vastly.

Smoozie

I feel like Shaman/Ranger for example would have a nice feeling to it

RAM021

Schneidend said:

SmilingSword said:

Also a way to add a kit to a multiclass without having to EE keeper it, would be nice.

No.

2E says otherwise...

SmilingSword

Schneidend said:

SmilingSword said:

Also a way to add a kit to a multiclass without having to EE keeper it, would be nice.

No.

But why?
It's not like you have to use the option and don't start on balance because the vanilla game is a joke difficultly wise no matter what you do.

jankiel

I do love a good petition.

O_Bruce

If shaman is stand-alone class, allow to both. If it's just a kit, only dual class if it's choosen as the first one. Just following basic rules.

Unless shaman is going to prove to be broken class.

Fardragon

I don't think is an issue of "allowing" it or not. It's an issue of whether it's technically possible or not. Of course there are those who think that rebuilding the entire engine from the ground up is a perfectly reasonable request...

Flashburn

If its in the rules for them to multi/dual-class, then do it.

Gallowglass

Flashburn said:

If its in the rules for them to multi/dual-class, then do it.

Arguing specific details on the basis of standard PnP rulesets is inherently weak, and also just tends to start pointless flamewars between the fans of different PnP rulesets.

There are loads of things in PnP rules which aren't in BG, in some cases because it's technically too difficult to be worthwhile, in some cases because it's too trivial to bother, in some cases because it'd be inappropriate for playing on a computer, in some cases because it's unsuitable for the particular story scenario in the BG games, and so on. BG is approximately based on AD&D, but it has a very heavy dose of "house rules" to suit its special requirements.

Jarrakul

Fardragon said:

I don't think is an issue of "allowing" it or not. It's an issue of whether it's technically possible or not. Of course there are those who think that rebuilding the entire engine from the ground up is a perfectly reasonable request...

This is entirely fair. I would absolutely support allowing shamans to multiclass, but I know in the past futzing with multiclass combinations has proven infeasible. If that still holds true, I'm perfectly welling to accept Beamdog's judgment of feasibility. But all else being equal, I'd like shamans to be able to multiclass.

Blades

gangler said:

Well, hard to make that kind of assessment. We don't really have a whole lot of information about the Shaman at this point.

We know it can cast druid spells. Don't feel like "Mage + Druid Spells" is a gamebreaking combination.

We know they have "Nearly Unlimited Summons" which roots them to the ground. That sounds gamebreaking on its own, but wouldn't necessarily interact with the mage spells in any significant way. Maybe free up some spell slots that would otherwise be used for summoning.

I see obvious reasons that are in alignment with why the Sorcy not multi classing. If a specialist type can do something so much better than the other classes, allowing other class mixing to cover that classes deficiencies will be game breaking as they become more powerful than the vanilla multi equivalent. It's all in how a multi mixin class covers the others classes deficiencies.

Faydark

I think that reasoning can be applied to ANY multiclass/dual class though, so it's not much of an argument against allowing sorcerers or shamans to multi/dual class imo.

I lean more towards "give options and refrain from using them if they don't fit with your ethics" over "don't give options and prevent players from making the character they want".

Fardragon

Flashburn said:

If its in the rules for them to multi/dual-class, then do it.

Since this shaman isn't based on a 2nd edition class there are no rules for it.

However, the game lacks several options that are permitted by the rules. Most of these are a conequence of game engine limitations (e.g. Thief/Druid), but some could be done (e.g. Wild mage/fighter).