@lemernis - thanks for taking the time to provide that info.
I think that my issue is precisely what you are hinting at (maybe unintentionally??), that Snyder has 'Reinvisioned' the character(s) and the world. It just doesn't feel like what I go to Superman movies for. But then maybe if I look at it from the perspective of "Justice league: Gods & Monsters" I'd like it better.
In any case, as I said I will see it and probably opening weekend. I am just not as jazzed about it as the other stuff on my list.
The reason I hated Man of Steel, wasn't really anything to do with the was Superman himself was portrayed (apart from the wooden acting and the wanton destruction of government property at the end). It was the boring repetativeness: see one cubic skyscraper come tumbling down. You have seen them all. Really, I have seen big city skylines, and one thing skyscrapers have in common is they are not identical cuboids; Zod being stupid-evil (and by implication kryptonians being racially stupid); alien with unacountably Russian accent to show how evil she is; awful waily violin music.
I haven't watched a superhero movie in a long while, Call me when todd mcfarlene fixes the hell he created with that horrible spawn movie! My favorite hero, dumbed down to pg13
Only hero movies I'd be interested in watching i; spawn, black panther, cyborg, or doctor strange.
I haven't watched a superhero movie in a long while, Call me when todd mcfarlene fixes the hell he created with that horrible spawn movie! My favorite hero, dumbed down to pg13
Only hero movies I'd be interested in watching i; spawn, black panther, cyborg, or doctor strange.
So Black Panther and Doctor Strange are in the works with Doc Strange coming out this year.
Cyborg "Should" be part of the Justice League movie that is set to come out after BvS:Dawn of Justice.
And if you were disappointed in how they handled Spawn (pretty much a unanimous opinion), you may want to check out Deadpool next weekend. They intentionally did not restrict themselves to PG13 rating so it should be a much more adult style superhero movie.
Spawn was sooooo bad. On my ranked list of favorite CBMs that I have seen it comes in a dead last at # 67. Never read the comic, but man the film was just awful. I can see how Spawn is a potentially cool character, though.
I actually didn't think FF was as bad as everyone said it was, even though it is obviously a total mess in the final act when the team enters the N Zone or whatever it was that they called it. I really liked the cast and the Ultimate FF take. And I felt that the first 2/3 of the movie was actually entertaining--I liked it. What happened at the end almost looks like a different hand doing the editing (compared with preceding portion of the film). I have no idea if the movie was taken out of Trank's hands in post-production and subjected to panic editing and reshoots; or whether Trank's film as he intended it just fell apart at the end. But I hope that we one day get to learn the real story about what happened. From a film studies perspective it is actually a fascinating picture to me.
@the_spyder I have no interest in dead pool, he is on my list of most freaking overrated cbc ever I mean don't get me wrong, I liked the mindset behind the character. Marvel as picking fun at dc and I even do enjoy the character here and there. But, Marvel had Blackpanther just like DC has Mr terrific, these were two characters that broke the mold the the comic community had on black characters, hell maybe even society had on them.
Heck these re just two characters that I feel deserved a movie before DP! Just to name a few other, from both DC, MArvel, Milestone, and Image; The darkness, The beyonder, Witchblade (haven't really watched the tv show), Alpha flight, Titans, The current Blue bettle CLOAK AND DAGGER! BLOOD SYNDICATE! JUST SO MUCH YES!
But unfortunately no, literally none of them will see a movie. Yet we have like 9 spider movies, 6+ captain America movies, 3 ironman movies, 3+ batman movies, who knows how many freaking superman movie. Comic book movies have been so freaking saturated (not talking about race either) with over used comic character seen 9 so many times, I have literally no interest in watching them anymore. dd to that spawn, he is my all time favorite fictional character, I read bout 200+ plus chapters (i forgot what number it ended at, but I have a idea how it ended. I have the Spawn animated series and watch it at least once every year...
But that movie spat in the face of everything but the core concept of spawn If I st here and started explaining everything completely bad, and not just wrong (as in doesn't follow the comic); I'd miss class which i don't have for another 2 hours!
You know what, no I'm done... I just can't right no!
@DragonKing - So for what it is worth, Black Panther IS getting his own movie. I hope that is some consolation for you.
As far as Deadpool is concerned, I can see your point. For me, I've heard nothing but excellent reviews of the movie and it seems like exactly the type of thing that I would like. But I understand if it is not everyone's cup of tea.
I am not familiar with all of your selections for "need a movie", but here are my comments on the ones that I do know.
The Beyonder. Please no. I read the original Secret Wars Way back in the 80s and while I loved it at the time, making a being that is effectively all powerful does not make for an interesting movie in my view. Even from the perspective of someone who is Omnipotent but basically naive and needs to learn how to be human. Maybe they have updated the character since then, but I just can't see it.
Witchblade. I really liked the TV show but it really bore very little resemblance to the comic character. I don't suspect that you could do that comic justice in Hollywood if for no other reason than it would get horribly panned for gratuitous flesh all the time. The TV show did that bit right (from my perspective) in that they made it a gauntlet and nothing more. I suspect that fans of the comic would not agree that the TV show or the direction they went would "Work" for them and going the other way would probably get serious flaming from every other direction. I could be wrong on that.
Alpha Flight. While I appreciate that this is another 'Team' that Marvel could do, it is too similar to The X-men, or would probably end up that way once it was made 'Available' to casual viewers. At least with The X-Men they are relatively familiar characters. Introducing a whole new cast and back story and you run the risk of having to go back to ground zero. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but why do it if you already have a money making franchise and they already have quite on their plate as it stands? Hollywood is not big on taking chances these days and neither is Disney.
Cloak and Dagger. I could actually see this being done in the context of the Netflix originals like Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Maybe they will.
Titans (I am assuming Teen Titans here so correct me if I am wrong). I think DC is having a hard enough time launching The Justice League that it would be WAY premature to even consider doing a Titans movie. And they can't seem to get movies right anyway. Okay, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were both good movies but look at all of the failures they've had. And I have concerns about BvS. Let them work THAT out before branching off into other franchises. Heck, even the TV shows they put out are fairly hit and miss.
@the_spyder Teen Titans is a actually is actually a spin off of the Titans.
I don't doubt the dead pool movie is good, I won't even argue it and the content itself isn't the problem. The problem is that dead pool was chosen just because he grew in popularity... the same reason why we keep getting freaking regurgitated batman, superman, and spiderman movies. The exact same reason we got a god awful dragon ball movie, super Mario brothers movie, avatar the last air Bender movie, and spawn movie.
While I don't want to be that hipster guy right now, but unfortunately I'm tossing myself in that seat. But, I hate that Hollywood is plating it too freaking safe! hey if I had to say something nice about the dead pool movie, at least they didn't dumb it down to a pg13 movie JUST TO REACH A WIDER AUDIENCE OF KIDS AND VIEWERS!
-glares at the spawn movie-
Now I'll I'm definitely sure I'm in the vocal minority when I say that I love stories about omnipotent beings or gods who try to live amongst man. Because there is always the question if man is god, or if you as the viewer was gid, would you do it? Would you make the same choice? Would you stick to that choice? Precon beyonder was that character who could do everything, who know see and know everything, but he didn't necessarily understand everything.
Current beyonder though isn't omnipotent, he is not even a sentient universe anymore, he got rewrote into a cosmic cube that became self aware, so basically same story on a smaller scale. He is only a reality warper now.
I only saw like two episodes of witch blade TV show, I actually news to watch it.
As far as black panther's movie goes; this is like the third time marvel said black panther was getting a movie; I don't even believe them any more! I remember back in 2013-2014 we got a poster release with 2015 date on it. I'm no full I know the time, cut backs, and cancellations that can happen to a movie, but still.
The unfortunate thing is that these movies historically take a bunch of cash to make. That means that the investors want some reasonable supposition that they will get a return on their investments. Usually that comes in two flavors. One that you have a known quantity, and popular. And two that you have a formula that is relatively proven. Deviate from that and investors are not as likely to invest.
Deadpool is REALLY popular. That is a HUGE plus as far as investors are concerned. But, like you, these particular investors understand what happens when you shackle a character like Spawn into PG13. Basically you get what we got. So they took a risk with Deadpool and went for the R rating, and it appears to have paid off. But I don't think that you could have done that with a lesser known or less popular character. Or maybe you could, but people wouldn't have necessarily been as keen to sign on to put their money behind it and we would have gotten a low budget B movie that would either have been another Spawn or something on the popularity of Army of Darkness, i.e. a cult favorite but not much else.
Sure there are exceptions like Ex Machina, but that was made on a shoestring budget with a very limited cast and really only one set. Would you want to see a Super Hero movie made that way? I mean besides a Netflix original series?
As far as Black Panther is concerned, he is already being shown in clips for Civil War so the character is happening. I have a high degree of confidence that the movie will happen as well. And not to defend Disney, but I suspect that the delay (and that is what I think it was, a delay only) in release of the movie was to better align with MCU Phase 3 and not for any more clandestine reason.
I won't debate you on The Beyonder as I don't know what he is like today in the comics. But classic Beyonder would be problematic I suspect.
Here in the US there is a HEAVY religious population. Any depiction of a God like being that doesn't conform to one of several defined belief systems is going to face an uphill battle in certain segments and therefore taint revenue. In the same way that some movies are "dumbed down to make that PG13 rating", a wide birth is given on Theological stances. You may recall from the first Avengers movie where Black Widow (??) tells Captain America that "These guys are basically Gods" and Cap responds with something like "There's only one God, ma'am and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." That was insurance by the writers so as not to offend strongly held beliefs. So it is a dicey prospect at best even in Super Hero circles. And while that may not make a lot of sense to you and I, it is something that is very definitely considered by producers and the people who finance these things.
In any event, I do have high hopes for MCU Phase 3 and for the Netflicks originals. BTW, were you aware that Power Man is getting his own Original series? I thought the depiction of Luke Cage in Jessica Jones was quite good and I am looking forward to the spin off.
@the_spyder Teen Titans is a actually is actually a spin off of the Titans.
Pretty sure all the Titans-related titles originated in the '60s/'70s with the Teen Titans.
Also, DC/WB has been working on a Titans TV show. It was set up at TNT for awhile; they pulled out but DC Creative honcho Geoff Johns recently said the show is still a going concern for DC/WB.
I don't doubt the dead pool movie is good, I won't even argue it and the content itself isn't the problem. The problem is that dead pool was chosen just because he grew in popularity... the same reason why we keep getting freaking regurgitated batman, superman, and spiderman movies.
Actually, the Deadpool movie was dead in the water for several years after X-Men Origins: Wolverine killed the character. The reason the film eventually got made was because test footage the director made got leaked, and was entertaining enough to generate sufficient interest for the studio to reconsider its early decision not to make the film.
Current beyonder though isn't omnipotent, he is not even a sentient universe anymore, he got rewrote into a cosmic cube that became self aware
He was subsequently retconned again to become a mutant Inhuman (or an Inhuman mutant) in the Illuminati series by Brian Bendis and Brian Reed (I think it was Brian Reed). And then possibly again in the lead-up to Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic's SECRET WARS series. I didn't keep track of all of that, but there was a species of entity called the Beyonders.
As far as black panther's movie goes; this is like the third time marvel said black panther was getting a movie; I don't even believe them any more! I remember back in 2013-2014 we got a poster release with 2015 date on it. I'm no full I know the time, cut backs, and cancellations that can happen to a movie, but still.
Anything's possible, but if I was a gambling man I'd bet on a Panther movie getting made in the next five years and probably sooner than later. They've got the character appearing prominently in their next big movie, and Marvel/Disney's taking heat for their films' tendency to feature white guys in the lead roles.
@the_spyder For the first part, I understand that to, but the thing is Blade came no where near deadpool and even arguably Spawn's level of popularity; but still not only did he get 3 movies, (2 good ones and one eh) but they all stayed rated R. Now it is quite possible that Westley snipes and a few others actually sold that movie. But it still got a movie before the casting was set in Stone, and blade definitely didn't follow the formula of the comic book movies coming out at the to me.
-glares at daredevil and cringes-
One reason for making movies based on comics, novels, and mythology is because you're already making a safe mood. Based on their nature, there is already a following even if its a cult one like blade and spawn has. Compares to say the first original star wars which fox put money into and had so little faith that it would sail, that they let George Lucas keep all the rights to the franchise!
Going o to bp, that's great he is in civil war, but that's not what we were promised, add onto that he was one of the avengers but not in the second one? I can't remember if he was a original but do know he came along at least half way through... but honestly I'm not to interested in seeing him getting shoehorned into the avengers.
About the whole religious thing here I. The USA, let's be honest... half of Hollywood wouldn't care because if they did then movies like Bruce all mighty would have never been a thing. I play smite and HR had a clash with the Hindu community, because their gods are playable characters in the game. HR just said w/e and continue using them. Add onto that the nonstop request for abrahamic religions to be added to the game even though HR said they'll never add religions with just a single omnipotent god (for obvious op reason.)
I'm not saying that there aren't people who won't get offended, WBBC still exist after all. I'm saying we already have many forma of media that already crosses that line, even in movies sowhy sshould we pretend that that is a magical no no now? Also captain America is suppose to be the embodiment of America, its values, its ideas, and even its beliefs, so in my perspective that line wasn't some safeguard but his actual character.
I don't have Netflix so I don't anything about it original series.
Edit, my stupid phone died and honestly, we did get Dr Manhattan into a movie, if you know that character; he was practically god of his series.
@AndrewFoley Wish you would've tagged me in that buddy, it would've made my life easier lol
So I was wrong about the titans then.
Deadpool's popularity was growing before x-men origins, well it has always been growing, I don't denounce he was ever a unpopular character; but my opinion still stands that BP and Dr strange both deserved a movie before him.
Oh I know he has, I'm still waiting for it too! The animated series gave him some redemption in my eyes, but I do doubt that they'll continue all the way to the point where he sealed god and lucifer away... uhh..spoilers?
What...why WOULD THEY DO THAT TO THE BEYONDER? I understand the first recon, they didn't want anyone strong enough to smack around the one above all, but that is just cruel.
Again, I'll believe it when I see it, I have little faith in the movie actually appearing in my lifetime.
@DragonKing - As far as Blade is concerned, I hesitate to speak because I don't "Know". My recollection is that the original was fairly low budget and wasn't expected to be anything, only it actually made money. The second was absolutely championed by Wesley as was the third. And since the first one made money, it became a formula that was at least accepted at the time. In more recent years, Hollywood has shied away heavily from R ratings BECAUSE it limits the audience. There are notable exceptions, but for the most part "These days" R ratings are a rare thing. Not so much back in the 80s-90s when the Blade movies came out. I don't say that is how it "Should be", merely that is the way it is.
Any reference to Daredevil that I make is in reference to the truly excellent Netflix series and not the atrocious movie with Afflack, unless I say otherwise. Since you say you don't have Netflix, it is understandable to not make the connection. As an aside, if you have the means and they offer a Free first month, check out Daredevil and Jessica Jones. It will be worth the money (i.e. free) and then some.
As far as religion is concerned, I disagree. While quite a lot of folks IN Hollywood may not think it is a big thing, any decisions regarding distribution of movies and the like are definitely going to be based on the wider public at large and who will pay to see what and who will protest against what. It's true that we have seen things like 'Bruce All Mighty', that is still talking about (more or less) a Christian belief, if a bit skewed into funny. Same with Noah last year and even Revenant this year. You don't have a huge number of movies that start touting non-standard God like beings. There are a few, and I am not saying that it can't/isn't done; merely that it is given a much higher level of scrutiny.
My personal view is that it simply doesn't make that interesting a story, but we aren't talking about what I think.
I'll not speak about Black Panther and the delays or reasons thereof because again, I don't know. Certainly with the big controversy over Black Widow and merchandising, and the larger issue with Jennifer Lawrence (among others) and pay disparity for women, there may be agendas at work. I don't know. I'd still put heavy money on us getting a Black Panther movie in the next 5 years.
As a side note, the original Avengers had Ant-man and Wasp and did NOT have Black Widow or Hawkeye, so pretty much any complaints about if Black Panther was 'An original' (he wasn't) kind of went out the window. We got the team they wanted. If there was an agenda there, I am not aware. But given that Joss is a very progressive and liberal minded guy, I don't believe that there was anything other than #1 was a core team and #2 was a continuation of that team, with the addition of Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and, to a lesser degree Warmachine and Falcon.
And finally
It looks like they are setting up Falcon to take up Cap's shield and costume after Civil War. Just suspicion on my part, but it makes sense given the direction and subject matter.
Re: Dr Manhattan
But he was the bad guy. That makes for a whole different dynamic. An Omniscient Good guy, and where's the challenge? Where's the conflict? (subjective and personal point of view)
@AndrewFoley Deadpool's popularity was growing before x-men origins, well it has always been growing,
That depends how you define "growing". He was created in the early '90s during or just before the big comics boom, when comics were selling in the millions as oppsed to the thousands, which is the standard today, so the odds are his earliest comic had more readers or at least more buyers.
I don't denounce he was ever a unpopular character; but my opinion still stands that BP and Dr strange both deserved a movie before him.
The people who greenlit Deadpool were in no position to affect the development of films featuring Black Panther or Dr. Strange.
Fox controls the rights to the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and related properties. Marvel/Disney can't stop Fox from doing what they want with X-Men and FF, Fox has no effect on the slate for characters Marvel retains the rights for (almost everything except X-Men and FF stuff. Sony's retained some sort of control of Spider-Man and related properties. After the last couple Spider-Man movies' under-performance, they've made a deal to work in cooperation with Marvel/Disney for the moment; Fox either won't or can't make a similar agreement, and after Deadpool's success it's highly unlikely they're going to relinquish control of any of the Marvel properties they have film rights for any time soon).
In more recent years, Hollywood has shied away heavily from R ratings BECAUSE it limits the audience. There are notable exceptions, but for the most part "These days" R ratings are a rare thing. Not so much back in the 80s-90s when the Blade movies came out.
I wanted to clarify something about this point in my previous post. In certain circles, "Comic" movies are considered to have a "Primary Market" of 12-21 year olds, at least historically. Making a Rated R movie off of a comic character would invalidate a significant portion of that particular demographic.
Now we have Deadpool and Suicide Squad that are actually testing the waters here. Both, by virtue of their ratings, will eliminate the majority of customers that would historically have been considered to be the main viewers. In the case of Deadpool, it seems to have been a success and may well point to the fact that the ACTUAL demographic is older than was generally believed even just a few years ago. We will see if Suicide Squad does likewise.
@the_spyder Possibly. However, his ears are down until he hears MechaGojira, where upon they stand straight up. To me, he is just "The Japanese Pound Puppy".
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I think that my issue is precisely what you are hinting at (maybe unintentionally??), that Snyder has 'Reinvisioned' the character(s) and the world. It just doesn't feel like what I go to Superman movies for. But then maybe if I look at it from the perspective of "Justice league: Gods & Monsters" I'd like it better.
In any case, as I said I will see it and probably opening weekend. I am just not as jazzed about it as the other stuff on my list.
Only hero movies I'd be interested in watching i; spawn, black panther, cyborg, or doctor strange.
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Cyborg "Should" be part of the Justice League movie that is set to come out after BvS:Dawn of Justice.
And if you were disappointed in how they handled Spawn (pretty much a unanimous opinion), you may want to check out Deadpool next weekend. They intentionally did not restrict themselves to PG13 rating so it should be a much more adult style superhero movie.
I have no interest in dead pool, he is on my list of most freaking overrated cbc ever I mean don't get me wrong, I liked the mindset behind the character. Marvel as picking fun at dc and I even do enjoy the character here and there. But, Marvel had Blackpanther just like DC has Mr terrific, these were two characters that broke the mold the the comic community had on black characters, hell maybe even society had on them.
Heck these re just two characters that I feel deserved a movie before DP! Just to name a few other, from both DC, MArvel, Milestone, and Image;
The darkness,
The beyonder,
Witchblade (haven't really watched the tv show),
Alpha flight,
Titans,
The current Blue bettle
CLOAK AND DAGGER!
BLOOD SYNDICATE! JUST SO MUCH YES!
But unfortunately no, literally none of them will see a movie. Yet we have like 9 spider movies, 6+ captain America movies, 3 ironman movies, 3+ batman movies, who knows how many freaking superman movie. Comic book movies have been so freaking saturated (not talking about race either) with over used comic character seen 9 so many times, I have literally no interest in watching them anymore. dd to that spawn, he is my all time favorite fictional character, I read bout 200+ plus chapters (i forgot what number it ended at, but I have a idea how it ended. I have the Spawn animated series and watch it at least once every year...
But that movie spat in the face of everything but the core concept of spawn If I st here and started explaining everything completely bad, and not just wrong (as in doesn't follow the comic); I'd miss class which i don't have for another 2 hours!
You know what, no I'm done... I just can't right no!
As far as Deadpool is concerned, I can see your point. For me, I've heard nothing but excellent reviews of the movie and it seems like exactly the type of thing that I would like. But I understand if it is not everyone's cup of tea.
I am not familiar with all of your selections for "need a movie", but here are my comments on the ones that I do know.
The Beyonder. Please no. I read the original Secret Wars Way back in the 80s and while I loved it at the time, making a being that is effectively all powerful does not make for an interesting movie in my view. Even from the perspective of someone who is Omnipotent but basically naive and needs to learn how to be human. Maybe they have updated the character since then, but I just can't see it.
Witchblade. I really liked the TV show but it really bore very little resemblance to the comic character. I don't suspect that you could do that comic justice in Hollywood if for no other reason than it would get horribly panned for gratuitous flesh all the time. The TV show did that bit right (from my perspective) in that they made it a gauntlet and nothing more. I suspect that fans of the comic would not agree that the TV show or the direction they went would "Work" for them and going the other way would probably get serious flaming from every other direction. I could be wrong on that.
Alpha Flight. While I appreciate that this is another 'Team' that Marvel could do, it is too similar to The X-men, or would probably end up that way once it was made 'Available' to casual viewers. At least with The X-Men they are relatively familiar characters. Introducing a whole new cast and back story and you run the risk of having to go back to ground zero. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but why do it if you already have a money making franchise and they already have quite on their plate as it stands? Hollywood is not big on taking chances these days and neither is Disney.
Cloak and Dagger. I could actually see this being done in the context of the Netflix originals like Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Maybe they will.
Titans (I am assuming Teen Titans here so correct me if I am wrong). I think DC is having a hard enough time launching The Justice League that it would be WAY premature to even consider doing a Titans movie. And they can't seem to get movies right anyway. Okay, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were both good movies but look at all of the failures they've had. And I have concerns about BvS. Let them work THAT out before branching off into other franchises. Heck, even the TV shows they put out are fairly hit and miss.
All in my personal and subjective opinion.
Teen Titans is a actually is actually a spin off of the Titans.
I don't doubt the dead pool movie is good, I won't even argue it and the content itself isn't the problem. The problem is that dead pool was chosen just because he grew in popularity... the same reason why we keep getting freaking regurgitated batman, superman, and spiderman movies. The exact same reason we got a god awful dragon ball movie, super Mario brothers movie, avatar the last air Bender movie, and spawn movie.
While I don't want to be that hipster guy right now, but unfortunately I'm tossing myself in that seat. But, I hate that Hollywood is plating it too freaking safe! hey if I had to say something nice about the dead pool movie, at least they didn't dumb it down to a pg13 movie JUST TO REACH A WIDER AUDIENCE OF KIDS AND VIEWERS!
-glares at the spawn movie-
Now I'll I'm definitely sure I'm in the vocal minority when I say that I love stories about omnipotent beings or gods who try to live amongst man. Because there is always the question if man is god, or if you as the viewer was gid, would you do it? Would you make the same choice? Would you stick to that choice? Precon beyonder was that character who could do everything, who know see and know everything, but he didn't necessarily understand everything.
Current beyonder though isn't omnipotent, he is not even a sentient universe anymore, he got rewrote into a cosmic cube that became self aware, so basically same story on a smaller scale. He is only a reality warper now.
I only saw like two episodes of witch blade TV show, I actually news to watch it.
As far as black panther's movie goes; this is like the third time marvel said black panther was getting a movie; I don't even believe them any more! I remember back in 2013-2014 we got a poster release with 2015 date on it. I'm no full I know the time, cut backs, and cancellations that can happen to a movie, but still.
The unfortunate thing is that these movies historically take a bunch of cash to make. That means that the investors want some reasonable supposition that they will get a return on their investments. Usually that comes in two flavors. One that you have a known quantity, and popular. And two that you have a formula that is relatively proven. Deviate from that and investors are not as likely to invest.
Deadpool is REALLY popular. That is a HUGE plus as far as investors are concerned. But, like you, these particular investors understand what happens when you shackle a character like Spawn into PG13. Basically you get what we got. So they took a risk with Deadpool and went for the R rating, and it appears to have paid off. But I don't think that you could have done that with a lesser known or less popular character. Or maybe you could, but people wouldn't have necessarily been as keen to sign on to put their money behind it and we would have gotten a low budget B movie that would either have been another Spawn or something on the popularity of Army of Darkness, i.e. a cult favorite but not much else.
Sure there are exceptions like Ex Machina, but that was made on a shoestring budget with a very limited cast and really only one set. Would you want to see a Super Hero movie made that way? I mean besides a Netflix original series?
As far as Black Panther is concerned, he is already being shown in clips for Civil War so the character is happening. I have a high degree of confidence that the movie will happen as well. And not to defend Disney, but I suspect that the delay (and that is what I think it was, a delay only) in release of the movie was to better align with MCU Phase 3 and not for any more clandestine reason.
I won't debate you on The Beyonder as I don't know what he is like today in the comics. But classic Beyonder would be problematic I suspect.
Here in the US there is a HEAVY religious population. Any depiction of a God like being that doesn't conform to one of several defined belief systems is going to face an uphill battle in certain segments and therefore taint revenue. In the same way that some movies are "dumbed down to make that PG13 rating", a wide birth is given on Theological stances. You may recall from the first Avengers movie where Black Widow (??) tells Captain America that "These guys are basically Gods" and Cap responds with something like "There's only one God, ma'am and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." That was insurance by the writers so as not to offend strongly held beliefs. So it is a dicey prospect at best even in Super Hero circles. And while that may not make a lot of sense to you and I, it is something that is very definitely considered by producers and the people who finance these things.
In any event, I do have high hopes for MCU Phase 3 and for the Netflicks originals. BTW, were you aware that Power Man is getting his own Original series? I thought the depiction of Luke Cage in Jessica Jones was quite good and I am looking forward to the spin off.
Also, DC/WB has been working on a Titans TV show. It was set up at TNT for awhile; they pulled out but DC Creative honcho Geoff Johns recently said the show is still a going concern for DC/WB. Actually, the Deadpool movie was dead in the water for several years after X-Men Origins: Wolverine killed the character. The reason the film eventually got made was because test footage the director made got leaked, and was entertaining enough to generate sufficient interest for the studio to reconsider its early decision not to make the film. FWIW, Todd McFarlane has repeatedly stated his desire and intention to make another Spawn movie with a hard R rating. He was subsequently retconned again to become a mutant Inhuman (or an Inhuman mutant) in the Illuminati series by Brian Bendis and Brian Reed (I think it was Brian Reed). And then possibly again in the lead-up to Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic's SECRET WARS series. I didn't keep track of all of that, but there was a species of entity called the Beyonders. Anything's possible, but if I was a gambling man I'd bet on a Panther movie getting made in the next five years and probably sooner than later. They've got the character appearing prominently in their next big movie, and Marvel/Disney's taking heat for their films' tendency to feature white guys in the lead roles.
For the first part, I understand that to, but the thing is Blade came no where near deadpool and even arguably Spawn's level of popularity; but still not only did he get 3 movies, (2 good ones and one eh) but they all stayed rated R. Now it is quite possible that Westley snipes and a few others actually sold that movie. But it still got a movie before the casting was set in Stone, and blade definitely didn't follow the formula of the comic book movies coming out at the to me.
-glares at daredevil and cringes-
One reason for making movies based on comics, novels, and mythology is because you're already making a safe mood. Based on their nature, there is already a following even if its a cult one like blade and spawn has. Compares to say the first original star wars which fox put money into and had so little faith that it would sail, that they let George Lucas keep all the rights to the franchise!
Going o to bp, that's great he is in civil war, but that's not what we were promised, add onto that he was one of the avengers but not in the second one? I can't remember if he was a original but do know he came along at least half way through... but honestly I'm not to interested in seeing him getting shoehorned into the avengers.
About the whole religious thing here I. The USA, let's be honest... half of Hollywood wouldn't care because if they did then movies like Bruce all mighty would have never been a thing. I play smite and HR had a clash with the Hindu community, because their gods are playable characters in the game. HR just said w/e and continue using them. Add onto that the nonstop request for abrahamic religions to be added to the game even though HR said they'll never add religions with just a single omnipotent god (for obvious op reason.)
I'm not saying that there aren't people who won't get offended, WBBC still exist after all. I'm saying we already have many forma of media that already crosses that line, even in movies sowhy sshould we pretend that that is a magical no no now? Also captain America is suppose to be the embodiment of America, its values, its ideas, and even its beliefs, so in my perspective that line wasn't some safeguard but his actual character.
I don't have Netflix so I don't anything about it original series.
Edit, my stupid phone died and honestly, we did get Dr Manhattan into a movie, if you know that character; he was practically god of his series.
Wish you would've tagged me in that buddy, it would've made my life easier lol
So I was wrong about the titans then.
Deadpool's popularity was growing before x-men origins, well it has always been growing, I don't denounce he was ever a unpopular character; but my opinion still stands that BP and Dr strange both deserved a movie before him.
Oh I know he has, I'm still waiting for it too! The animated series gave him some redemption in my eyes, but I do doubt that they'll continue all the way to the point where he sealed god and lucifer away... uhh..spoilers?
What...why WOULD THEY DO THAT TO THE BEYONDER? I understand the first recon, they didn't want anyone strong enough to smack around the one above all, but that is just cruel.
Again, I'll believe it when I see it, I have little faith in the movie actually appearing in my lifetime.
Any reference to Daredevil that I make is in reference to the truly excellent Netflix series and not the atrocious movie with Afflack, unless I say otherwise. Since you say you don't have Netflix, it is understandable to not make the connection. As an aside, if you have the means and they offer a Free first month, check out Daredevil and Jessica Jones. It will be worth the money (i.e. free) and then some.
As far as religion is concerned, I disagree. While quite a lot of folks IN Hollywood may not think it is a big thing, any decisions regarding distribution of movies and the like are definitely going to be based on the wider public at large and who will pay to see what and who will protest against what. It's true that we have seen things like 'Bruce All Mighty', that is still talking about (more or less) a Christian belief, if a bit skewed into funny. Same with Noah last year and even Revenant this year. You don't have a huge number of movies that start touting non-standard God like beings. There are a few, and I am not saying that it can't/isn't done; merely that it is given a much higher level of scrutiny.
My personal view is that it simply doesn't make that interesting a story, but we aren't talking about what I think.
I'll not speak about Black Panther and the delays or reasons thereof because again, I don't know. Certainly with the big controversy over Black Widow and merchandising, and the larger issue with Jennifer Lawrence (among others) and pay disparity for women, there may be agendas at work. I don't know. I'd still put heavy money on us getting a Black Panther movie in the next 5 years.
As a side note, the original Avengers had Ant-man and Wasp and did NOT have Black Widow or Hawkeye, so pretty much any complaints about if Black Panther was 'An original' (he wasn't) kind of went out the window. We got the team they wanted. If there was an agenda there, I am not aware. But given that Joss is a very progressive and liberal minded guy, I don't believe that there was anything other than #1 was a core team and #2 was a continuation of that team, with the addition of Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and, to a lesser degree Warmachine and Falcon.
And finally
Re: Dr Manhattan
Fox controls the rights to the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and related properties. Marvel/Disney can't stop Fox from doing what they want with X-Men and FF, Fox has no effect on the slate for characters Marvel retains the rights for (almost everything except X-Men and FF stuff. Sony's retained some sort of control of Spider-Man and related properties. After the last couple Spider-Man movies' under-performance, they've made a deal to work in cooperation with Marvel/Disney for the moment; Fox either won't or can't make a similar agreement, and after Deadpool's success it's highly unlikely they're going to relinquish control of any of the Marvel properties they have film rights for any time soon).
But hey, I did watch Gojira vs. Mechagojira recently. The one with Kingu Ceesar.
Now we have Deadpool and Suicide Squad that are actually testing the waters here. Both, by virtue of their ratings, will eliminate the majority of customers that would historically have been considered to be the main viewers. In the case of Deadpool, it seems to have been a success and may well point to the fact that the ACTUAL demographic is older than was generally believed even just a few years ago. We will see if Suicide Squad does likewise.