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Need help in my fight

Good day all of you. I'm really an average BG player, and I can't defeat Demogorgon or the Watcher's Keep boss.

Can someone help me? I can upload my save to you so you can check what is wrong (wich is probably me lol)

Am i under leveled to fight, is my party wrong, not enough magic?

For the interested the save is just before Demogorgon.
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  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    Ok you have PC(fighter)/Minsc/Jaheira/Aerie/Imoen/Nalia, and I don't really see an issue with the party formation.

    What kind of strategies are you using for the fight? Also are you buffing up to max before pull (your spellbook seems to be rather random)?
  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    Also give jaheira helmet, crits can easily kill you and demogorgon swings HARD
  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    Ok, I killed demogorgon using your save (rather easily), confirms there is nothing wrong with your party
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    Thanks. Actually out of despair I haven't played recently.

    I tried a few summons, didn't help much at the time.
    Like I said, I'm average, not sure my spellbook are optimized well.

    Normally I cast everything at my party, but I get killed quickly.
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    Another boss I cannot beat is in TOB. The guy that transform into a dragon. My save is right at this place.
  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    Would be more helpful if you can give specifics about the tactics you use. I would like to comment more is bit busy now, would have more free time in the evening
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    The main thing I've learned fighting Demogorgon is to not kill both mariliths. Kill one, and then just tank the other one until Demogorgon's dead (a Mordenkainen's Sword is helpful for this). When the second marilith goes down, he starts summoning glabrezu like crazy, and while glabrezu aren't that strong individually, a horde of them will ruin your day in short order.

    If you're having trouble surviving Demogorgon's attacks, remember to make liberal use of potions and, if that's not enough, move a Stoneskined and Mirror Imaged mage in to tank the hits for your fighters.

    Other than that, remember that Improved Haste is your friend here, and in every other difficult fight. Pop it on your fighters and let the fun begin.
  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    edited March 2016
    Give Jaheira different boots. She's using a spear that gives Free Action, so the bonus movement speed doesn't work.

    Equip the Amulet of Power on a spellcaster, on Minsc is pretty wasted.

    As for the rest, there were way too many many things to comment on.
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    @Jarrakul Thanks for the tips, I'll try soon.

    @SpaceInvader You seems to find I'm in trouble. When you got time please give me more tips.
  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    No, no don't worry!
    It's just a matter of efficiency ;)
    Nothing that will stop you from finishing the game.
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    I was able to get to those 2 bosses, Demogorgon and the Dragon in TOB, with manageable trouble. But those fight I know something is wrong.
  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    edited March 2016
    General Strategies:
    - Stack fire resistance on melee. You have potion of fire resistance and rings, so move them around so that all your melees have 100%+.
    - Give jaheira amulet of power, because level drain
    - Start with greater whirlwind, use potions afterwards, whirlwind whenever you can. If you are getting low on hp and potion is on cooldown then run away until it retargets
    - Mages should start with pierce shield x 3 -> spam horrid wilting (Aerie-Implosion). Demogorgon has 100% fire resistance so forget about 9th level spells.
    - Don't bother using breach, demogorgon is immune to it. You need to manually smash stoneskin
    - You can kill one of the mariliths first or go straight to demogorgon (I prefer latter). If you are killing mariliths then remember to breach first
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  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    edited March 2016
    Concerning your weapons:
    Give main char Foebane.
    Minsc can use axe + angurvadal and give jaheira girdle of stone giant strength.
    In this way your strengths become 22-22-20 (previously 22-20-16).
    For demogorgon fight along though don't use angurvadal since demogorgon is immune to fire.

    Edit : Just realized your minsc has no points in axe lol (I killed demo with axe), use something else. Flail of many heads or runehammer would be nice choice..
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  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    edited March 2016
    Buffs that you should be using:
    Protection from evil, chant, bless, defensive harmony => Self-explanatory

    Chaotic Commands => Protects you from charms and lasts forever, spam it on everyone.

    Armor of Faith => Gives 20%-25% damage reduction for the entire fight. A must-have for melee characters!

    Remove/Resist Fear => Prevents fear. Demogorgon doesn't use fear but it can prevent morale failures, Abazigal on the other hand...

    Iron Skins, Stoneskin, Mirror Image => They soak certain number of damages, Iron skins is especially important because jaheira will be fighting on front.

    Regenerate => Gives you valuable extra HP.

    Righteous Magic + Draw upon holy might => Gives you godly strength. They stack with each other and with other strength enhancing stuff Aerie can reach 25 strength in no time. How powerful is it? Strength 10 Aerie does 11-14 damage with sling, 25 strength Aerie does whopping 25-28.

    Improved Haste OR Free Action => Demogorgon likes to hold you can chop hapless character to pieces, so for this fight immunity to hold is actually very solid choice. Or just go for extra attacks and speed, whatever you prefer.

    Greater Restoration => Is a potent emergency spell, 3 seconds short cast time, heals to max hp and removes poison and disease. You get fatigue but that's better than getting killed huh?
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    @prairiechicken Nice tips I will try that soon.
  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    For Abazigal you want ligjtning resistance
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    Cool. Abazigal keep regenerated. I can get him weak, but after that he regenerate and I'm dead.
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    I just restarted playing. I am just before the fight against Draconis.

    I was able to defeat is human form, but when he transform into a dragon, I receive massive damage to my party.

    For those who helped me before, any clue?

    What to cast? My weapons don't have any effect on him, so help me understand.

    Like I said before, I'm quite noob at D&D. I can play the game, understand some elements, but that is beyond me.

    Thanks again all for your time.
  • matricematrice Member Posts: 86
    edited March 2016
    Cast the spell "shield" on all your mage, so they don't insta die to the buffet.
    As far as i remember (long time didn't play on no difficulty mod), he is using protection from magic weapon, several time..
    So use breach followed by kelben warding whip (so everytime he cast a new protection, it get dispelled automatically in the round).
  • FinnTheHumanFinnTheHuman Member Posts: 404
    A pretty easy tactic for the Mariliths is to get them to chase a character up the steps. That should buy a lot of time for the rest to take on Demogorgon, especially if you can get one character to occupy both. Also, I had good luck with spell turning to counteract demogorgon's implosion. If these guys are suggesting it though, I suppose free action works better.

    Good work on asking the question--it's the most effective tactic. Just lurking the these forums is helping me tremendously.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    Actarus said:

    I just restarted playing. I am just before the fight against Draconis.

    I was able to defeat is human form, but when he transform into a dragon, I receive massive damage to my party.

    For those who helped me before, any clue?

    What to cast? My weapons don't have any effect on him, so help me understand.

    Like I said before, I'm quite noob at D&D. I can play the game, understand some elements, but that is beyond me.

    Thanks again all for your time.

    The Breach spell is your friend. He uses Stoneskin and possibly also Protection from Magic Weapons (I honestly don't remember for sure), and Breach will take down both. That said, you should try and keep your mages far away from him if they're not actively casting, because he can probably one-shot them with his breath weapon.
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    Ok I will try on my next game.
  • ArunsunArunsun Member Posts: 1,592
    Draconis is a pain in the neck indeed. If you still have some of those "see invisibility" pots from Dorn's SoA quest they are very handy, if you don't, just tank with a mage (Protection from energy+ stoneskin+ Spell immunity abjuration should do job), use true sight, and spam breaches.
  • ActarusActarus Member Posts: 78
    What do you mean by Tank with a Mage. I go melee with a mage?
  • prairiechickenprairiechicken Member Posts: 149
    Last time I think I just ran away when he went dragon then buffed in the corner, came back
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    Going melee with mages is surprisingly effective when they've got Mirror Image and Stoneskin up (and possibly also Protection from Magic Weapons). They're garbage at killing things, but they'll just ignore the enemy's attacks. Just remember to re-cast their spells as the enemy beats through them, since both Mirror Image and Stoneskin only absorb a certain number of hits.

    Having said that, it's a risky proposition against Draconis, because he hits for truckloads of acid damage with his breath weapon, and that'll go straight through your defenses. I believe he also has a spell that lowers acid resistance, so even buffing against acid specifically may not keep your mages safe against him.
  • sansserifsansserif Member Posts: 125
    Actarus wrote: »
    Another boss I cannot beat is in TOB. The guy that transform into a dragon. My save is right at this place.

    Abazigal.

    It was hard for me at first, but I changed tactics, used Chain Contingency to breach and to spam Horrid Wilting, it worked ^^ (My PC is actually an Elf Dragon Disciple), I had some kind of bug at that time so I couldn't stop him with Time Stop.

    Draconis wasn't much of a threat for me.

    Never bothered killing the Demogorgon though.

    Btw, what's your difficulty level? My internet isn't really working right now so I can't download your file.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    sansserif wrote: »
    Actarus wrote: »
    Another boss I cannot beat is in TOB. The guy that transform into a dragon. My save is right at this place.
    It was hard for me at first, but I changed tactics, used Chain Contingency to breach and to spam Horrid Wilting, it worked ^^ (My PC is actually an Elf Dragon Disciple), I had some kind of bug at that time so I couldn't stop him with Time Stop.

    That's not a bug, actually. It's the intended behavior. A few enemies in the game, including Abazigal and Demogorgon, are simply immune to Time Stop.
  • sansserifsansserif Member Posts: 125
    Jarrakul wrote: »
    sansserif wrote: »
    Actarus wrote: »
    Another boss I cannot beat is in TOB. The guy that transform into a dragon. My save is right at this place.
    It was hard for me at first, but I changed tactics, used Chain Contingency to breach and to spam Horrid Wilting, it worked ^^ (My PC is actually an Elf Dragon Disciple), I had some kind of bug at that time so I couldn't stop him with Time Stop.

    That's not a bug, actually. It's the intended behavior. A few enemies in the game, including Abazigal and Demogorgon, are simply immune to Time Stop.

    @Jarrakul Hmm that's strange, because I recently watched a Youtube video of someone playing BG2EE who goes by the YouTube name Kart, he was able to stop Abazigal with a Time Stop. (This link)Similarly, Haeravon's guide mentioned that he used a Time Stop on Abazigal. I had the same problem with Melissan. That's what led me to believing my game was bugged.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    edited March 2016
    Abazigal was actually bugged to not be immune in the original game. This was corrected in the EEs, in accordance to the original developers' intentions. Melissan is one of the other characters who possesses that immunity, and she's had it in every game version I'm aware of (I believe there are four such characters in total).
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