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A very specific Question about Dualing a Specialist Mage into Cleric

justfeelinathomejustfeelinathome Member Posts: 353
On the awesome thread of @bengoshi about Siege of Dragonspear (February 15, corresponding page 153) I learned about the unlisted benefits of Specialization as a Mage: +2 on Saving Throws against spells of your specialized school and a -2 penalty for Enemies who have to save against such spells that you cast on them.

Recently a question relating to this came to mind: do Mages who dual into Cleric get benefits for their Cleric spells as well?
For example: An Invoker/Cleric casts one of the following spells: Glyph of Warding, Flame Strike, Blade Barrier or the Implosion HLA (a favorite of mine). All of them are attributed in their descriptions to the Evocation school and allow a Saving Throw. Do enemies have the penalty on their Throw? What about an Invoker hit by Flame Strike? How is his Throw?

I don't know why I want to know this so much, since everyone keeps saying how much better Multi-Class Mages are. However, I'd be very, very grateful to anyone who has access to the code for checking this out. :smile:
Or, if no one knows, any suggestions on how I could reliably test this myself.

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 2016
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  • justfeelinathomejustfeelinathome Member Posts: 353
    Chaos Priest sounds dope. :smiley:

    Okay, upon actually rereading the page I vaguely quoted (and not just finding it for linking it), I figured that I can use the exact same method used by elminster, only with glyph of warding in my case. Will be back with my results.
  • WowoWowo Member Posts: 2,064
    Interesting.

    I often play gnome illusionists but what illusion spells are there that illicit a saving throw?
  • VallmyrVallmyr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 2,459
    edited March 2016
    Later in the thread I believe it was confirmed that is the case. I'll go find it now.


    Edit:
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/29289/did-you-know/p44

    Scroll down and @semiticgod linked which priest spells are affected.
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  • justfeelinathomejustfeelinathome Member Posts: 353
    edited March 2016
    So after all the forums are omniscient!

    This suggests that they DO benefit. It is very strange however, since it contradicts my own findings after (exactly) 100 Glyphs of Warding an 100 successful Saving Throws from Shandalar (his Saving Throw is 0 vs. Spell).
    Either the spell is not truly an Evocation spell (It is listed as '(Abjuration, Evocation)'), or there must be something else wrong with my setup. Hmm...

    Edit: semiticgod actually vocalized doubt about some of the Spell Schools. Seems they are a bit wonky.
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  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315
    Wowo said:

    Interesting.

    I often play gnome illusionists but what illusion spells are there that illicit a saving throw?

    Blindness, Spook, and Deafness.
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  • Yeah, I don't think the code matches the descriptions in all cases. I remember looking at Implosion and seeing that it didn't have a school.
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    Wowo said:

    Interesting.

    I often play gnome illusionists but what illusion spells are there that illicit a saving throw?

    Blindness and Spook, one of the best low level disabling spells in the game.
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