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Caelar (Spoiler)

nysinysi Member Posts: 60
I've juste finished the game, and it was a real pleasure to discover baldur's gate again. I found the story well writen, did'nt expect the outcome.

Caelar was probably the best part of the game to me. I really enjoyed her..

So I did some test... Spoilers begin :smile:


I thought about Caelar end, and a possibility to saver her later in BG2 (Likely a mod, or DLC).

So, I use the CTRL +Q cheat to add Caelar to my own group

And I discover that she already has a lot of details, like a party NPC. Other NPC do not have such design, as an example Hephernaam do not have specific item, not a biography. Caelar look like a joinable NPC, so I'm guessing beambog lean to her a future NPC

She's voiced, and has a biography

Depending on the outcome she's either :

- A level 15 lawful good fighter (Paladin would be better for a mod)
- A level 15 lawful evil Blackgard

Equipement :

- Mail of the hallowed hero +3
Protection from evil
Immunity to poison and disease
Armor class : 2

- Circlet of the cynosure
Protection from critical hits
Immunity to fear, charm and paralysis

- Aether edge +3
Long sword
30% magic resistance
+2 damage against fiend

- Solar aegis
+1 constitution
Armor class +4
Fire resistance +40%

- Golden circle
+3 Ac against slashing


Do you think adding her in a DLC/Mod, in the end of SOA or in TOB could be a good idea?
She could eitheir be for evil of good party due to the alignement change at the end of SOD




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  • KhalDrogoKhalDrogo Member Posts: 60
    edited April 2016
    You think exactly like me lad, I too would like to have her in Baldur's Gate 2 especially her equipment, I after all have already add her portrait to my gallery thanks to this image I found in this forum :)



    usually I don't have enough imagination to find a name for my character (usually I called my female character, Visenya, Valaenya, Daena, Elaena, Rhaenys, Lyanna, Celebwen..., and after seeing how awesome Caelar is and her sacrifice, I'm gonna use her name Caelar Argent for my next character
  •  TheArtisan TheArtisan Member Posts: 3,277
    Making evil Caelar into a party member would be hard to explain, given that she dies on that path. Good Caelar could be made reasonable, if you could make a feasible story for storming Avernus and encountering her still fighting the denizens of hell.

    Her equipment is a bit too good for SoA though, so she'd either have to be a late joiner (hate those) or be nerfed.
  • Diogenes42Diogenes42 Member Posts: 597
    Caelar is real and strong and she's my friend.
  • GrimLefourbeGrimLefourbe Member Posts: 637
    I see it as either a rescue into Avernus through a mod that improves the planar sphere and allows charname to visit the planes.

    Or we could meet a buffed up version of Caelar at the beginning of ToB since the pocket plane gives charname the ability to travel through planes
  • rjmacreadyrjmacready Member Posts: 91
    edited April 2016
    Sarevok and Irenicus really had my blood boiling in a fun way. Getting to face them down was extremely satisfying.

    Amelyssan got me really annoyed for all the wrong reasons. I thought she was a weak villain and didnt fool me for one second througout most of ToB.

    Caelar was excellent. While I still prefer Sarevok and Irenicus as villains for wanting to kill them so bad, Caelar actually had me going through a number of different reactions. Irritation, sympathy, contempt and even a bit of respect at the end.

    To be honest my character would probably have been just as capable of being so selfish and single minded in pursuit of such a goal. Only he wouldnt have hid it so well. He wouldnt have hid it at all but he was chaotic neutral hehe.

    Caelar is definitely a highlight of this great expansion and if she gets Sarevok'ed in any potential future content that would be damn awesome in my view.
  • TenreccTenrecc Member Posts: 265
    I agree, Caelar was one of the best things in the expansion. She was realistic and believable, with her own motivations and issues, really not your run of the mill villain who's evil just to be evil.

    I'd love to have her join me. She has a really nice avatar too, I was sort of hoping I could kill her and get her loot and make an NPC with her items and appearance.
  • Diogenes42Diogenes42 Member Posts: 597
    Tenrecc said:

    I agree, Caelar was one of the best things in the expansion. She was realistic and believable, with her own motivations and issues, really not your run of the mill villain who's evil just to be evil.

    I'd love to have her join me. She has a really nice avatar too, I was sort of hoping I could kill her and get her loot and make an NPC with her items and appearance.

    If you do not already have her portrait and still want to make a Caelar NPC, then please enjoy this my friend

  • BraggartBraggart Member Posts: 12
    Fascinating. Nysi mentioned a biography in the OP, could someone take a screenshot of it and post it here?
  • Diogenes42Diogenes42 Member Posts: 597
    Braggart said:

    Fascinating. Nysi mentioned a biography in the OP, could someone take a screenshot of it and post it here?

    Here you go friend. I am being absolutely deadly serious when I say DO NOT read this until you have completed the game. Click at your own risk.



  • EscarcheEscarche Member Posts: 61
    @Diogenes42 Aww, you beat me to it. And I even went through my worst nightmare to get this biography.

    I hate that elevator with passion..
  • BraggartBraggart Member Posts: 12

    Braggart said:

    Fascinating. Nysi mentioned a biography in the OP, could someone take a screenshot of it and post it here?

    Here you go friend. I am being absolutely deadly serious when I say DO NOT read this until you have completed the game. Click at your own risk.




    Very interesting, thanks! :)
  • KhalDrogoKhalDrogo Member Posts: 60
    @Diogenes42
    If you do not already have her portrait and still want to make a Caelar NPC, then please enjoy this my friend
    Do you know how I can make her a NPC ?
  • Diogenes42Diogenes42 Member Posts: 597
    edited April 2016
    @KhalDrogo

    You could simply create a custom NPC which is easy to do from the character creation screen now and do it manually, putting in the stats you feel like she should have and so on. If you want the right soundset then you'd have to extract it or wait for some other clever person to do it, or just make a whole Caelar NPC mod.

    There's also a cheatcode to do that stuff but it might mess up your game?


    Endgame spoiler here friends, please be aware!
    You can also recruit her for the final battle in SoD if you have a spare party slot and choose the right dialogue option (it should be obvious when you see it)


  • KhalDrogoKhalDrogo Member Posts: 60
    Yeah I know about the final battle, but the thing is I would like to have her till the beginning with her equipment, do you know how can I do it ? You said extract it ? What do you mean by that ?
  • Diogenes42Diogenes42 Member Posts: 597
    @KhalDrogo

    When you start a new game after you finish creating your character but before you click "ACCEPT" you can click on a button that says "CREATE PARTY" and you will able to make another character. You can just give that character the Caelar portrait and give her the class and stats that you like. That character will then start the game alongside yours, even from the start of BG1.

    The only problem is that she won't have the Caelar voice, you'd have to use one of the normal ones for making characters. By extracting I meant a way of taking that voice set from the game and making it usable in character creation, but that is a pretty complicated process.

    If you can't live without her items then you'd have to get the cheat codes for them or use a save editor, I'm sure someone around here has already discovered them.
  • KhalDrogoKhalDrogo Member Posts: 60
    Yeah that's the problem I have. I would like to take her voice set but I don't know the process. For her items maybe EEKeeper but for now this doesn't work in SOD T_T
  • SceptenarSceptenar Member Posts: 606
    @Diogenes42 Nice, thanks for the portrait. I don't suppose you could extract the "Hooded Man" and Hephernaan portraits as well?
  • Diogenes42Diogenes42 Member Posts: 597
    No problem friend.



  • SceptenarSceptenar Member Posts: 606
    Thanks Diogenes42, you are a prince among men!
  • minsc4prezminsc4prez Member Posts: 105
    You could add her to the party ctrl-q. Then in eekeeper make her exportable.
  • GrimLefourbeGrimLefourbe Member Posts: 637
    @minsc4prez doesn't work as expected. She doesn't keep the voice or the items upon being exported.
  • InsultionInsultion Member Posts: 179

    @minsc4prez doesn't work as expected. She doesn't keep the voice or the items upon being exported.

    Pretty sure that's an EEKeeper issue, not BG's, though. Perhaps next update.
  • nysinysi Member Posts: 60
    You can also recruit her for the final battle in SoD if you have a spare party slot and choose the right dialogue option (it should be obvious when you see it)


    Didn't know that, my party was full when I runned into the final battle. That explain a lot of things.

    I haven't managed to let her keep her voice. I guess a c:CreateCreature would allow to create her and CTRL +Q her.. but I do not find her game name

    About a mod,
    - Her uncle could ask us to rescue her
    - May be we could find her while in the hell chapter (Not sure if that is possible as technically we are in bhaal realms)
    - A lesser demon could lure us into avernus again, either for rescueing her or loot her (for evil party).
    - The planar sphere could also be used
    - She may leave Avernus for another hell sphere, allowing us to see a new plan in the mod
    - She could join late in SOA, or at the beginning of TOB with a level adjustement
    - The blackgard version is killed by the party, but still talk to Aun Argent after.. May be she was alive when leaved Avernus
  • illathidillathid Member Posts: 320
    Rescuing Caelar from Hell would be pretty epic. A Paladin in Hell is still one of my favorite adventure modules of all time. As for the blackguard version being killed, Sarevok was dead too. :wink: Maybe in either case her soul gets captured by a devil and you need to rescue her. Planar sphere makes a lot of sense, the pocket plane a bit less so as it's in the Abyss not the Nine Hells. Still would love to see the story continue.
  •  TheArtisan TheArtisan Member Posts: 3,277
    edited April 2016
    Extracting Caelar's soundset is simple enough. Her sound files aren't in the right order though so they have to be arranged manually. If anyone wants to make a mod here's her soundset:
  • KhalDrogoKhalDrogo Member Posts: 60
    @Artemius_I

    Do you know how can I add her voice in the game for the create character option voice ?
  • LordoflinksLordoflinks Member Posts: 6
    I am also in favor of her reappearing.
  • GrimLefourbeGrimLefourbe Member Posts: 637
    @Insultion

    Nope, I actually just set her to exportable and exported/imported through the game. Whenever you import a character you need to reselect a voice and an appearance. I don't know about the items but I assume that they aren't imported because they are flagged as undroppable.
  • KhalDrogoKhalDrogo Member Posts: 60
    You're lucky I can't exported it seems I have a bug
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