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MrSextonMrSexton Member Posts: 396
in Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear
Unfortunately I've had to work to much since the game was released so I haven't had time to play alot. What's does Minsc say that is so inappropriate? Just curious... /J
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  • MrSextonMrSexton Member Posts: 396
    And how was that a problem? Considering Trent brought it up in Beamdog official comment I was expecting something more along the lines of John McClanes sign in "Die Hard III"...
  • Drizzt1180Drizzt1180 Member Posts: 41
    edited April 2016
    I'm left bewildered by this whole affair. The joke doesn't even confirm a certain stance on the issue. It could be taken sarcastically or literally, depending on the player's taste, while still making a jab at current affairs. In my mind, that's a sign of good writing. Minsc has never been a character meant to be taken that seriously.
  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    Minsc should also be offended by incessant poking.
  • MrSextonMrSexton Member Posts: 396
    Please excuse my ignorance but what is "Gamergate"???
  • FrancoisFrancois Member Posts: 452
    Drizzt1180 said:

    I'm left bewildered by this whole affair. The joke doesn't even confirm a certain stance on the issue. It could be taken sarcastically or literally, depending on the player's taste, while still making a jab at current affairs. In my mind, that's a sign of good writing. Minsc has never been a character meant to be taken that seriously.

    That's also my opinion, but since one of the writers is a self proclaimed SJW I guess anything that references Gamergate will be taken as derisive by them. I find that line funny and it kind of fits Minsc who is very serious about proper heroing
  • StradlinStradlin Member Posts: 142
    edited April 2016
    Diogenes42 said:

    Gamergate is a reactionary political movement that is claimed to be a consumer revolt against unethical practices in video game journalism and they say they are strong supporters of free speech. They also claim to be fighting a culture war against "social justice warriors" in the gaming world.

    This is my understanding, I don't mean to cause offence if you think I got it wrong. Thank you.

    I think this just about nails it. Well, at least this is approx my understanding of the movement as well. There is certain very useful " watch dogs of the media" undertone to it that I personally have no issue liking and appreciating. You can google Kotakuinaction if you hungry for 1st hand info. Unfortunately, I'm pretty certain there is some oddball fringe movement in outskirts of " gamer gate" that is prolly just as harmful and messed up as the toxic bits of the SJW/Outrage culture.

    In general it is terrible idea to touch any of it with a 10 foot pole. Like this here Irony Crisis has displayed, everybody from devs to moderators to players to posters to trolls always gets super weird about the whole GG vs SJW thing.
  • PurudayaPurudaya Member Posts: 816
    Gamergate is a group that protests social change being depicted in video games (LGBT inclusion, women's empowerment, etc). That line by Minsc sent them into an outrage and they have spent the past 3 days bombing metacritic, GoG, and (to a lesser extent) Steam in an attempt to tank Siege of Dragonspear's release.

    Bafflingly, they like to be characterized as defenders of free speech.
  • StradlinStradlin Member Posts: 142
    edited April 2016
    ^ I'm pretty sure gamergate has nothing against " social change being depicted in video games". Then again I frankly personally have no clue wtf social change being depicted in video games" even means, so maybe I'm not the person to make arguments here;p

    To me, " social change being depicted in video games" reads as polar opposite of "Lord of Murder perishing getting celebrated in real life". Makes no sense. Well, maybe in some fan convention...

  • SamySamy Member Posts: 51
    What it means is they knee jerk and throw fits whenever someone advocates more representation for people who aren't white hetero males. Like it's a crime if you say it would be nice if the game had an option to play a female character. Or you say it would be nice to be able to have a girl/girl romance and you get death threats.
  • StradlinStradlin Member Posts: 142
    edited April 2016
    I don't recall ever seeing anyone having an issue with either. Maybe, and luckily, I visit all the wrong places thogh! Virtually all " roll your own character" - RPGs have given you the freedom to pick a gender since forever.
  • FrancoisFrancois Member Posts: 452
    edited April 2016
    I think in general they are more in favor of letting the laws of the market dictate what companies will put in their product. I think they are opposed to SJW making pressure to put more women-friendly content in material that is not targetted a women (same as no one puts pressure on romance novels writers to make their books more appealing to men). At least that's what I think they defend in theory.
  • SamySamy Member Posts: 51
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/?tid=a_inl
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    Francois said:

    I think in general they are more in favor of letting the laws of the market dictate what companies will put in their product. I think they are opposed to SJW making pressure to put more women-friendly content in material that is not targetted a women (same as no one puts pressure on romance novels writers to make their books more appealing to men). At least that's what I think they defend in theory.

    The thing is that there is no such thing as "laws of the market." Markets are run by people, they don't exist independently of people, and the way they're run is often a direct reflection of the people running it.

    They have this annoying excluded middle fallacy where anything they deem "SJW" is "forced" or "political correctness gone mad" or any other negative judgment that can be applied to the situation. On the other hand, any social status quo they agree with is just "perfectly natural." Many of them (I am tempted to say most) do not engage in good faith, and resort to bullying and intimidation to get what they want. Hence the review bombing, or the recent campaign to get Alison Rapp fired from Nintendo. Or the organized harassment campaigns run against multiple women since before there was a Gamergate.

  • FrancoisFrancois Member Posts: 452
    edited April 2016
    BelleSorciere said:

    The thing is that there is no such thing as "laws of the market." Markets are run by people, they don't exist independently of people, and the way they're run is often a direct reflection of the people running it.

    Yes, and they believe these people should be free to offer whatever they want to offer, and the public should be free to buy it or not. In a free market (especially for non essential goods like games) the buyers have just as much power as the sellers to define what the product should be. To what extent the market should be allowed to be manipulated by governments or special interest groups is a matter of debate. This is not limited to Gamergate. Conservatives and libertarians believe in free market more or less free of any interference.
  • AaezilAaezil Member Posts: 178
    Internet warriors that are all for Free Speech*

    * - but only if what you say meets their approval

    LOL

    awesome
  • SamySamy Member Posts: 51
    If only GamerGate hadn't interfered here...wish BeamDog had been free to offer whatever they wanted to offer.
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    Except when something offered is not to their liking, then they organize campaigns in an attempt to smash it instead of simply choosing not to buy it, as would be the ideal in their "free market." It's like how they're all for freedom of speech until something that looks like it might be slightly critical of them comes around and they collectively lose their shit over it. Such as Minsc's line.

    These are the same people who were upset about the removal of a transphobic limerick from Pillars of Eternity because ~free speech~ but when they're the target it must be stopped at all costs. I guess it's really all about "situational ethics" where what they believe depends entirely on what's pissing them off right this instant.
  • mlnevesemlnevese Member, Moderator Posts: 10,214
    edited April 2016
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  • FrancoisFrancois Member Posts: 452
    edited April 2016
    I'm not defending these tactics we saw. To be fair, both sides have quite a number of irrational nutcases that will do anything to suppress the speech of their opposition.
  • BeowulfBeowulf Member Posts: 236
    Free speech is overrated I just want to be protected by my government. If that means I have to listen to them every day when I wake up with motivational loud speakers and sometimes be confronted by government agents that is fine. I just want everyone to stop saying things that can offend anyone else. This is why I am thinking of getting a job in the computer gaming industry in safe always friendly Canada. The Canadian people are so sensitive they even got their protective government to pass a law. A Christian or Islam preacher can not use hate speech in regards to bashing and labeling certain acts as: "very descriptive judgmental absolutist noun here" and ideals that some practice in modern rethought romance activities.

    This is why I am hopeful these free speech guys relax and stop acting like others can not speak their ideals. Minsc as a free speech icon is the best since stupid as he is he blurts out dirty admonishments and requests to that emo cleric wingless elf mage just days after he sees Danayreia killed. He is the pinnacle of free speech and to the 9 hells with what any party members or Amn Citizens think of his filthy cat calling.

    You can not yell "fire" in a theater and not be arrested. Minsc though goes around everywhere yelling he has a sword and won't talk. Contrast that with me who has in the Marines and later in various jobs been armed with open and concealed weapons and you see how foolish blathering free thought is.

    Anyway, I am still maddest about the lack of a bag of holding to put all my loot in at the very very start - I think I left behind at least 299.99 worth of scrolls and weapons in that dungeon- and then worse still some pinko committee Leninist distributed all my gold to the proletariat.
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 634
    Purudaya said:

    Gamergate is a group that protests social change being depicted in video games (LGBT inclusion, women's empowerment, etc). That line by Minsc sent them into an outrage and they have spent the past 3 days bombing metacritic, GoG, and (to a lesser extent) Steam in an attempt to tank Siege of Dragonspear's release.

    Bafflingly, they like to be characterized as defenders of free speech.

    So, basically Neutral Evil, huh?
  • SamySamy Member Posts: 51
    I'm inclined to say Chaotic Evil, being how they don't work inside the system like lawyers, but send death threats and doxxings from under the shield of anonymity. They are essentially a decentralized terrorist group.
  • PurudayaPurudaya Member Posts: 816
    Francois said:

    I think in general they are more in favor of letting the laws of the market dictate what companies will put in their product. I think they are opposed to SJW making pressure to put more women-friendly content in material that is not targetted a women (same as no one puts pressure on romance novels writers to make their books more appealing to men). At least that's what I think they defend in theory.

    I would totally take your point if they hadn't tried to manipulate the laws of the market by artificially review tanking the release.
  • MyrdiNNMyrdiNN Member Posts: 11
    edited April 2016
    Yulaw9460 said:

    Purudaya said:

    Gamergate is a group that protests social change being depicted in video games (LGBT inclusion, women's empowerment, etc). That line by Minsc sent them into an outrage and they have spent the past 3 days bombing metacritic, GoG, and (to a lesser extent) Steam in an attempt to tank Siege of Dragonspear's release.

    Bafflingly, they like to be characterized as defenders of free speech.

    So, basically Neutral Evil, huh?
    Not really that clear cut. I'd say they could draw their ranks all the way from Chaotic Neutral to Neutral Evil. But mostly, from Lawful Evil ;).
    (A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises.)
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 634
    Haha, let's not go there. :smiley:
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    edited April 2016
    BelleSorciere said:

    Except when something offered is not to their liking, then they organize campaigns in an attempt to smash it instead of simply choosing not to buy it, as would be the ideal in their "free market."

    Woah, woah, what? When has Gamergate ever had a stance on any substantive economic issue? As far as I know they play videogames, not read Milton Friedman.
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    booinyoureyes said:

    BelleSorciere said:

    Except when something offered is not to their liking, then they organize campaigns in an attempt to smash it instead of simply choosing not to buy it, as would be the ideal in their "free market."

    Woah, woah, what? When has Gamergate ever had a stance on any substantive economic issue? As far as I know they play videogames, not read Milton Friedman.
    IDK, I was responding to someone else commenting about economics.
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