Viconia Romance Question [spoilers]

Kogorn

During Viconia's first romance convo in chapter 10 (the one where she asks about Khalid's devotion to Jaheira), is the player supposed to speak up there or tell Viconia that there is "no one special?" Viconia would seem the type who likes someone that plays hard to get, so im guessing the latter, but i know that those responses close off the romances with the other characters, so i wanted to double-check with anyone who has gone through it

Inconnu

Kogorn said:

During Viconia's first romance convo in chapter 10 (the one where she asks about Khalid's devotion to Jaheira), is the player supposed to speak up there or tell Viconia that there is "no one special?" Viconia would seem the type who likes someone that plays hard to get, so im guessing the latter, but i know that those responses close off the romances with the other characters, so i wanted to double-check with anyone who has gone through it

All the potential romance companions in SoD offer a similar dialogue; despite her nature, to progress in her romance, you need to tell her you aren't interested in anyone else. A lot of things in this expansion are linear, and I imagine there wasn't really room to play the whole coy angle with some of the characters that would normally be responsive to that sort of thing.

Also note that none of the romances in this game affect those in BG2EE (at least in the current version).

Kogorn

Inconnu said:

Kogorn said:

During Viconia's first romance convo in chapter 10 (the one where she asks about Khalid's devotion to Jaheira), is the player supposed to speak up there or tell Viconia that there is "no one special?" Viconia would seem the type who likes someone that plays hard to get, so im guessing the latter, but i know that those responses close off the romances with the other characters, so i wanted to double-check with anyone who has gone through it

All the potential romance companions in SoD offer a similar dialogue; despite her nature, to progress in her romance, you need to tell her you aren't interested in anyone else. A lot of things in this expansion are linear, and I imagine there wasn't really room to play the whole coy angle with some of the characters that would normally be responsive to that sort of thing.

Also note that none of the romances in this game affect those in BG2EE (at least in the current version).

So in other words, you need to pick the response option that says you're interested in her, even if she calls you an idiot for doing so? :P

Rawgrim

How can you romance Viconia when her romance clearly starts off in BG2?

Inconnu

Kogorn said:

Inconnu said:

Kogorn said:

During Viconia's first romance convo in chapter 10 (the one where she asks about Khalid's devotion to Jaheira), is the player supposed to speak up there or tell Viconia that there is "no one special?" Viconia would seem the type who likes someone that plays hard to get, so im guessing the latter, but i know that those responses close off the romances with the other characters, so i wanted to double-check with anyone who has gone through it

All the potential romance companions in SoD offer a similar dialogue; despite her nature, to progress in her romance, you need to tell her you aren't interested in anyone else. A lot of things in this expansion are linear, and I imagine there wasn't really room to play the whole coy angle with some of the characters that would normally be responsive to that sort of thing.

Also note that none of the romances in this game affect those in BG2EE (at least in the current version).

So in other words, you need to pick the response option that says you're interested in her, even if she calls you an idiot for doing so? :P

Correct.

Feilakas

Wait what??? First off, like Rawgrim said, it'd take a master wordsmith to introduce a Viconia Romance in SoD when the romance clearly started in BG2.

Furthermore, the reason Viconia's was my favorite romance by far was BECAUSE it was counter-intuitive at first glance. I specifically remember my hormone-fueled teenager self especially appreciating how at the very beginning I could sleep with her and that automatically killed the romance.

Damn, I hope the writers did justice to this one...

Rawgrim

Feilakas said:

Wait what??? First off, like Rawgrim said, it'd take a master wordsmith to introduce a Viconia Romance in SoD when the romance clearly started in BG2.

Furthermore, the reason Viconia's was my favorite romance by far was BECAUSE it was counter-intuitive at first glance. I specifically remember my hormone-fueled teenager self especially appreciating how at the very beginning I could sleep with her and that automatically killed the romance.

Damn, I hope the writers did justice to this one...

BG2 needs editing now. Since Viconia barely recognizes the player in BG2 when they meet. And she never once indicates any hint of a romance or friendship prior to the game. She even talks about what she did before coming to Amn. Which is now kind of not true, since she was with the PC doing the Dragonspear expansion. They should have used Branwen instead. No conflict.

rjmacready

Rawgrim said:

BG2 needs editing now. Since Viconia barely recognizes the player in BG2 when they meet. And she never once indicates any hint of a romance or friendship prior to the game. She even talks about what she did before coming to Amn. Which is now kind of not true, since she was with the PC doing the Dragonspear expansion. They should have used Branwen instead. No conflict.

No it doesnt. Its 99% friendship 1% mild romantic gesture at the end. If anything it just lays the foundation in BG2 as to why she is so open with you.

Viconia doesnt "barely recognize" you in BG2, she manages to pick your face out of a baying lynch mob when shes seconds away from being burnt alive. That says a lot.

Likewise one of the first things she calls you on rescuing her is abbil, literally the closest thing in the Drow language that can be said to mean "friend".

Its not perfect by any stretch but in terms of character it handles things pretty darn well.

The biggest issue is the same for all npcs which is why nobody wants to mention the massive events that take place right at the end but as I understand beamdogs hands are tied there.

Kogorn

I imagine that, once the dust settles and SOD's bugs get fixed, Beamdog will try to make some tweaks to further integrate all the enhanced edition content together. I'm keeping my fingers crossed at least.

rjmacready

@Kogorn I agree with that. The original versions still exist so personally I dont see why it couldnt be done considering the EEs are a different version, but I should imagine there are dozens of worthless legal rules as to why it cant be so.

I just hope we get some more BG2 content where beamdog definitely can address such things.

Rawgrim

rjmacready said:

Rawgrim said:

BG2 needs editing now. Since Viconia barely recognizes the player in BG2 when they meet. And she never once indicates any hint of a romance or friendship prior to the game. She even talks about what she did before coming to Amn. Which is now kind of not true, since she was with the PC doing the Dragonspear expansion. They should have used Branwen instead. No conflict.

No it doesnt. Its 99% friendship 1% mild romantic gesture at the end. If anything it just lays the foundation in BG2 as to why she is so open with you.

Viconia doesnt "barely recognize" you in BG2, she manages to pick your face out of a baying lynch mob when shes seconds away from being burnt alive. That says a lot.

Likewise one of the first things she calls you on rescuing her is abbil, literally the closest thing in the Drow language that can be said to mean "friend".

Its not perfect by any stretch but in terms of character it handles things pretty darn well.

The biggest issue is the same for all npcs which is why nobody wants to mention the massive events that take place right at the end but as I understand beamdogs hands are tied there.

She says friend because you rescued her. Plain and simple. And she recognizes the player from the Beregost event. Her later conversations expands on this. But that is it. Absolutely no indication that she has ever been friendly with the player before. They should have swapped her for Branwen in SoD. No conflict.

rjmacready

She says friend because youre potentially the closest thing to a friend shes had since her brother. Plain and simple. And she recognizes the player because shes potentially travelled with them the entirity of BG1. Thats it. Absolutely no indication shes ever been unfriendly with the player before. They made the right choice in keeping her in. No conflict.

Viconia is an undisputed series favourite. Branwen is a BG1 cleric who appears in the tutorial for BG2. Its a no brainer who to pick.

What youre arguing applies to every single character.

I butchered Edwin in Nashkel with Minsc and Dynaheir. His appearance made no sense. And yet it made total sense at the same time too if only I played differently.

Rawgrim

rjmacready said:

She says friend because youre potentially the closest thing to a friend shes had since her brother. Plain and simple. And she recognizes the player because shes potentially travelled with them the entirity of BG1. Thats it. Absolutely no indication shes ever been unfriendly with the player before. They made the right choice in keeping her in. No conflict.

Viconia is an undisputed series favourite. Branwen is a BG1 cleric who appears in the tutorial for BG2. Its a no brainer who to pick.

What youre arguing applies to every single character.

I butchered Edwin in Nashkel with Minsc and Dynaheir. His appearance made no sense. And yet it made total sense at the same time too if only I played differently.

Edwin could have been resurrected. There is a temple in Nashkel. That one can at least be plausible.
Given that the game couldn't import choices etc, just your level and stats, this was the best way they could do it at the time.

Actually Viconia is pretty unfriendly towards the player all through BG 1, if her comments are anything to go by. She only agrees with you if you are evil and get a low reputation.

Nothing in Viconia's conversations indicate that they have ever had a growing friendship before. It is quite clearly just starting up right there. Her calling him "friend" after he saves her from being burned to death is a form of thankfulness.

rjmacready

Rawgrim said:

Actually Viconia is pretty unfriendly towards the player all through BG 1, if her comments are anything to go by. She only agrees with you if you are evil and get a low reputation.

Nothing in Viconia's conversations indicate that they have ever had a growing friendship before. It is quite clearly just starting up right there. Her calling him "friend" after he saves her from being burned to death is a form of thankfulness.

Even in BG1 with what little character they have she is remarkably friendly. If you dismiss her without letting your reputation getting too high she is incrdibly amicable and actually tells you to take care of yourself.

All Ill say isn that outside of Imoen Minsc and Jaheira because of their start in BG2 Viconia joins Edwin as part of the mainstay cast of the entire Baldurs Gate video game saga and her appearance and friendship in SoD mirrors that. Just as I can kill Edwin you can not befriend Viconia. The game ignores both these decisions however. Thats all there is to it.

Rawgrim

How does Viconia manage to actually live on that farm when she has only a week or less to do it? Travel time to and from Beregost halves that time. So she runs down to the farm as fast as she can. Stays there for 2 days. Kills the farmers and runs back to Baldur's Gate. That is called a visit. Not living there.

Inconnu

A lot of the party members you pick up in BG2 (besides Minsc, Jaheira, and Imoen) have lines like "hey, aren't you supposed to be dead?" or "didn't I kill you?" when you first meet them. Most of them just respond with something along the lines of "yes, but I'm all better now". But still, you can establish some incredulity at their presence if you wish.

rjmacready

Rawgrim said:

How does Viconia manage to actually live on that farm when she has only a week or less to do it? Travel time to and from Beregost halves that time. So she runs down to the farm as fast as she can. Stays there for 2 days. Kills the farmers and runs back to Baldur's Gate. That is called a visit. Not living there.

Her exact quote is "I made the attempt", not "I settled down for a while". The whole point of the story is to show that Viconia wanted to find peace somewhere and before she even had a chance to do that she trusted in someone and was betrayed for it. I expect the entire ordeal from purchasing the land to being forced to flee lasted not more than a tenday or so. Which funnily enough is perfectly within an acceptable timeframe considering it takes as longer than that between chapters in SoD for travelling from camp to camp.

fbence

Does anyone have a complete set of romance dialogues with Viconia for SoD? I didn't manage to get anywhere with her that could be called romantic Also, does somebody know the corresponding global variables? This thread is pretty much the only info out there on Viconia's romance in SOD

fbence

I actually realized I kind of know how to get a look at the variables and I found some for viconia



I'm guessing this means there are four romance talks, and I rushed through the game without resting enough?

fbence

Did a little more digging, and it seems that the romance1,2 etc get added as they come because earlier save games didn't have 4. Also, the special2 timer seems to be the same in all my saves. Does anybody know what that is?

megamike15

rjmacready wrote: »

How does Viconia manage to actually live on that farm when she has only a week or less to do it? Travel time to and from Beregost halves that time. So she runs down to the farm as fast as she can. Stays there for 2 days. Kills the farmers and runs back to Baldur's Gate. That is called a visit. Not living there.

Her exact quote is "I made the attempt", not "I settled down for a while". The whole point of the story is to show that Viconia wanted to find peace somewhere and before she even had a chance to do that she trusted in someone and was betrayed for it. I expect the entire ordeal from purchasing the land to being forced to flee lasted not more than a tenday or so. Which funnily enough is perfectly within an acceptable timeframe considering it takes as longer than that between chapters in SoD for travelling from camp to camp.

i know this is from 3 years ago but. there is a year between sod and bg 2. there is plently of time for viconia to have the farm event and get to amn.

Ammar

megamike15 wrote: »

rjmacready wrote: »

How does Viconia manage to actually live on that farm when she has only a week or less to do it? Travel time to and from Beregost halves that time. So she runs down to the farm as fast as she can. Stays there for 2 days. Kills the farmers and runs back to Baldur's Gate. That is called a visit. Not living there.

Her exact quote is "I made the attempt", not "I settled down for a while". The whole point of the story is to show that Viconia wanted to find peace somewhere and before she even had a chance to do that she trusted in someone and was betrayed for it. I expect the entire ordeal from purchasing the land to being forced to flee lasted not more than a tenday or so. Which funnily enough is perfectly within an acceptable timeframe considering it takes as longer than that between chapters in SoD for travelling from camp to camp.

i know this is from 3 years ago but. there is a year between sod and bg 2. there is plently of time for viconia to have the farm event and get to amn.

Do we have official end date for SoD and start date for SoA? Not only do I remember your parmy members assuming you were captured fairly recently and getting tortured for a year seems harsh in any case

DJKajuru

Ammar wrote: »

megamike15 wrote: »

rjmacready wrote: »

How does Viconia manage to actually live on that farm when she has only a week or less to do it? Travel time to and from Beregost halves that time. So she runs down to the farm as fast as she can. Stays there for 2 days. Kills the farmers and runs back to Baldur's Gate. That is called a visit. Not living there.

Her exact quote is "I made the attempt", not "I settled down for a while". The whole point of the story is to show that Viconia wanted to find peace somewhere and before she even had a chance to do that she trusted in someone and was betrayed for it. I expect the entire ordeal from purchasing the land to being forced to flee lasted not more than a tenday or so. Which funnily enough is perfectly within an acceptable timeframe considering it takes as longer than that between chapters in SoD for travelling from camp to camp.

i know this is from 3 years ago but. there is a year between sod and bg 2. there is plently of time for viconia to have the farm event and get to amn.

Do we have official end date for SoD and start date for SoA? Not only do I remember your parmy members assuming you were captured fairly recently and getting tortured for a year seems harsh in any case

Not really,but I remember that the whole BG1 Shabang happened during a year ,and the events of SoA happen the year after that.

Ammar

DJKajuru wrote: »

Ammar wrote: »

megamike15 wrote: »

rjmacready wrote: »

How does Viconia manage to actually live on that farm when she has only a week or less to do it? Travel time to and from Beregost halves that time. So she runs down to the farm as fast as she can. Stays there for 2 days. Kills the farmers and runs back to Baldur's Gate. That is called a visit. Not living there.

Her exact quote is "I made the attempt", not "I settled down for a while". The whole point of the story is to show that Viconia wanted to find peace somewhere and before she even had a chance to do that she trusted in someone and was betrayed for it. I expect the entire ordeal from purchasing the land to being forced to flee lasted not more than a tenday or so. Which funnily enough is perfectly within an acceptable timeframe considering it takes as longer than that between chapters in SoD for travelling from camp to camp.

i know this is from 3 years ago but. there is a year between sod and bg 2. there is plently of time for viconia to have the farm event and get to amn.

Do we have official end date for SoD and start date for SoA? Not only do I remember your parmy members assuming you were captured fairly recently and getting tortured for a year seems harsh in any case

Not really,but I remember that the whole BG1 Shabang happened during a year ,and the events of SoA happen the year after that.

I remember there being about a year between the two games as well. From the narration at the start of SoA I think it would feel best if most of that year was between BG 1 and SoD, not SoD and SoA.

Skitia

fbence wrote: »

Did a little more digging, and it seems that the romance1,2 etc get added as they come because earlier save games didn't have 4. Also, the special2 timer seems to be the same in all my saves. Does anybody know what that is?

I can research this and let you know.

fbence

Skitia wrote: »

I can research this and let you know.

I would be super happy, thanks!

fbence

Ammar wrote: »

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Do we have official end date for SoD and start date for SoA? Not only do I remember your parmy members assuming you were captured fairly recently and getting tortured for a year seems harsh in any case

This is the best I could find: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/65246/timeline-of-the-bg-iwd-nwns-and-planescape-games

1368 DR: Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition (game, novel)
1368 DR: Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear (DLC)
1369 DR: Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition (game, novels)

Skitia

@fbence . The special2 timer controls a one liner that appears in the Coalition camp, and general outdoor areas.

When it expires, Viconia will say a line, it may be about how beautiful the night is in a general area, or it might be how she doesn't like how allies are looking at her in the coalition camp.

Also, there are six Viconia Romance Talks, not 4.

fbence

Thanks! That means I didn't manage to get beyond 4, probably rushed it a bit ... And do we know how these trigger if there are no timers for it? I tried waiting days in places and nothing happened ...

fbence

I upgraded my Infinity Engine skills. I haven't been able to figure out where exactly the triggers are implemented, but the text of the 5th implies that we need to get fatigued.

Skitia

They may be area triggered (The sixth one is most certainly area triggered). So you should just keep playing as normal and it should come up.