"original game remains untouched"
QD5555
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anyone else find this very disappointing?
in my younger years i already played through BG2 like... 20 times probably. i dont think higher resolution is going to cut it for me.
Add new kits, new items, harder battles, new quests, etc please.
The rules needed major balancing too. bards suck for example, time stop fighter mages were very overpowered.
You have Dragon Age Origins to compete with. So live up to the name please, overhaul it.
in my younger years i already played through BG2 like... 20 times probably. i dont think higher resolution is going to cut it for me.
Add new kits, new items, harder battles, new quests, etc please.
The rules needed major balancing too. bards suck for example, time stop fighter mages were very overpowered.
You have Dragon Age Origins to compete with. So live up to the name please, overhaul it.
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They can ADD stuff. They just can't change what's already there. If they could, they probably would. So it's WOTC/Atari you need to talk to.
This isn't BG2, anyway. It's BG1. And they are adding new content. There's at least an entire new area to explore with each new NPC. They did add a new kit (blackguard.)
Bards are also awesome.
Time Stop was hardly overpowered because any enemy that was a problem enough to warrant casting the spell was immune to it so it actually hurt your overall party because it'd be just your mage vs. a dragon instead of your entire party.
Compete with Dragon Age Origins? Ha! HAHA! HA!! Says the mantis to the flea looking up at him.
It's BG1 that gets an overhaul.
Doesn't know that BGEE will have new content.
Somehow managing to miss every bit of information on his way to the forum.
Complains about the rules from a BG2 perspective.
Time stop mages are not in BG1.
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Compares BGEE with Dragon Age Origins.
Nothing else needs to be said.
i dont know how many bugs/quests they can fix if any. BG2 was already a very polished game. im not really convinced this enhanced edition will make the game worth playing through again. im 27 now... i think i would play for a few hours, get a bit of nostalgia then quit. I was really looking forward to big full overhaul.. oh well.
they should take all of BG1 BG2 and TOB and convert it all over to Dragon Age Origins engine/mechanics/graphics. Add kits, Add new classes, Add Epic new quests and battles. Now that would be something to see. i would pay 100 bucks for that. lol
Humorous threats to the world aside, I have played, beaten, and enjoyed Dragon Age, but it simply does not come close to Baldur's Gate, and when I heard it was the spiritual successor to the series, the only response I could muster was a snort of mockery and contempt.
BG1 wasnt even that good. i can only kill so many kobolts and ogres before i get bored. the game ends at level 9, enough said.
BG2 blew it away.
and dont diss origins, the story is not as good and the game isnt as long BUT Origins combat system took classic BG combat and made it modern. Origins combat was AMAZING.
origins on the PC with the difficulty maxed was alot of fun.
If they take the Dragon Age Origins engine, mechanics and graphics and combine it with the story of Baldur's Gate, what do you think you are going to get from the two options listed below:
Dragon Age Origins: Baldur's Gate Mod
Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition
I may have poked fun at Origins, but I did state that I played and even enjoyed the entire series. However, I also stated that obvious by saying it is not by any means the be-all end-all of RPGs that I and others hold Baldur's Gate to be. Making something modern and doing it correctly is an arduous task, and I respect that difficulty of it, but just because it can be done does not necessarily mean that it should be.
I think we are on different pages in that you look at the combat and gear of the games, perhaps not being fond of the lore or RPing? One of the big points of Baldur's Gate is the RPG aspect to it, which many gamers today care nothing for. They (Speaking in general terms here) are more fond of hack n slash beat 'em ups, skipping content and ignoring conversations because they are "boring" or "dumb" or "geeky".
A shame, but I cannot change the world, and I'm not sure I would if I were able. I enjoy both series, but there can only be one Holy Grail, and I've been playing it for over a decade.
Also part of the appeal to a lot of people is the low-level nature of BG1. A lot of D&D enthusiasts actually enjoy low level adventuring a lot more. I'm one of them. End-game content always ends up being "how cheesy can we make this?" and it's dull. There's a lot more challenge when you're limited in what you can do.
I just want to let you know you're encroaching on troll territory. As a general rule, it's bad form to jump in the forums of an upcoming game and wish it were something else. I also liked Dragon Age: Origins a lot, but I want DA to be DA and I want BG to be BG. I don't need one game in another game's setting or engine because they are what they were already. I am super stoked about BG:EE as is, as are the vast majority of people who frequent a forums.
Saying you don't like something is simply going to net a giant "Okay. Now go away." Doesn't accomplish anything. Great, okay, another guy with differing tastes in video games isn't stoked about this. I was stoked about the movie Looper long before it came out in theaters and I am the only one of my friends who went to go see it this weekend and I loved it despite them saying they thought it looked stupid. Welcome to the internet.
Also, Pacman and Baldur's Gate are completely different series, and seeing as how accessible popular Pacman is today via software, browsers, and mobile apps, I'd say that it's doing just fine in it's original gameplay state.
EDIT: This thread is starting to heat up, and to prevent it I think it may help if you disclosed some points of a game that make it interesting to you. When you play a game, what are you looking for? What are you not looking for? Help us understand why it is you believe what you believe. I will do the same if requested.
i was really excited about this because i thought they were going to do more with it. i was hoping more for BG3.
atleast origins was something new, i loved the tactical combat. the bastardized mutant was DA2. whata piece of garbage.
Let's all take a step back from our computer screens and breathe for a minute. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and if @QD5555 doesn't want to buy the enhanced edition because he's tired of the original, then he's perfectly welcome to do that. Let's not all jump down his throat.
It's quite possible that when they get to BG2, they might add some more "enhancements" like the things you suggested, but for now, the game has to remain more or less the same as its initial release (in terms of content) for the sake of contractual obligations. If the original art assets hadn't been lost, then we might be looking at a truly HD experience, but sadly they were.
That said, the work that the development team has done so far has been phenomenal. The game might (mostly) look the same, but it runs a lot better than before due to the hundred-thousand lines of extraneous code that were painstakingly removed by Cam. It might be the same story and gameplay, but this is definitely an enhanced edition.
I do play the original game, and I currently am. Why am I buying this game? To support it. To enjoy the increased resolution, and to buy it for my bli-, I mean "misguided" friends who sometimes have difficulty looking beyond the graphics. I enjoy graphics, but they are by no means a game maker/breaker for me if the game itself is outstanding. I treat the series like a legendary novel; let's say Lord of the Rings. In BG, I often play almost the same party, and I have done this over two dozen times. I do not care that I am doing mostly the same repeatedly. I love it. I love taking part in it. I love the music, the story, the voice acting, the cities, the exploration, the combat, everything.
I can atleast agree with you on the topic of DA2. While combat was fun the first couple of playthroughs, I felt the story in DA1 was superior, and more immersive. It's rare when I get so into a game that I forget the main quest, and I say that because I was so focused on charging and executing Teryn Loghain with treason in the highest order that I literally and sincerely forgot about the Archdemon and my quest as a Warden. After days of playing with focus on the confrontation with Loghain, I thought he was the final boss and the entire point of the game.
Seriously, how many games can do that? QD5555, I (And to an extent, we) are not disrespectful of DA:O. You can be a great game, even and outstanding one, without being the best. And two games can be outstanding while being different and unlikely to merge.
im not trying to diss your work or anything like that. if it's a copyright issue or whatever then its not your fault anyway.
AND BG2 is one of the best if not THE BEST games of all time. I AM not saying Origins is better than BG2 either. BG2 is better. i just liked how origins updated BG combat, it was alot of fun.
for 20 bucks i will prob still pick up and check out the enhanced edition.
LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN YOU GUYS MAKE BG3!!!
Exactly. I very well may go back to the non-EE versions, but I will support this game and give my friends a sincere chance to enjoy it. I cannot say I like the concept of a BG3, but that's another point not relevant to this thread. (Or not completely, rather.)
My dream would be to play BG2 with the original 3D-models re-rendered into a higher resolution, having pages of more Irenicus dialogue AND having David Warner voice every single line that Irenicus has, no bugs and more music made by Michael Hoenig and more portraits by Mike Sass and more content written by the original team and more Minsc and Boo and Sarevok making my bed every morning.
It's impossible man. You've got to think of the paperwork and budget behind this. Overhaul Games is as far as I know an "indie" studio. We all have dreams, but this here that you request is just too much. No game studio would ever be willing to take on the job of perfecting an already perfect game with an entirely new graphics engine and mechanics, let alone get the rights to do it. And if they still could, they would go bankrupt in the process. That's just how it works. Also knowing that if what they're making is too different from the original version or inferior in any way, they would have fans raging like rabid dogs outside their studio for months. No, it wouldn't work at all.
I also think you'd already have half the fanbase going insane at the mere thought of combining BG and BG2 with anything related to Dragon Age. Trust me, I've played it. But it's nowehere near as good as the BG-series.
It would be like Michael Bay directing a remake of Shawshank Redemption.