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  • Key_StrokesKey_Strokes Member Posts: 36

    @DJKajuru

    For a pacifist protagonist maybe.

    Oh god, someone's going to do a Pacifist PC run now. I can feel it "My PC will never cast a harmful spell or use a weapon throughout the entire saga."

    "Harmful spell ... use a weapon". Paci*fist*. Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    @Key_Strokes

    MONKey See MONKey Do?
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 4,714
    You guys are forgetting the most important thing about the bard's song: it removes fear and protects against it!
  • FafnirFafnir Member Posts: 232
    Holy bard necromancy Batman!
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    edited March 2013
    Raduziel said:

    You guys are forgetting the most important thing about the bard's song: it removes fear and protects against it!

    Well, that's the most important thing about the bard song because that's the only thing about the bard song. It doesn't do anything else. Well, I think it's supposed to improve at higher levels (I remember reading it's supposed to improve at levels 15 and 21 or somthing), but IIRC it never did in the unmodded game.

    Personally, I prefer just using the Remove Fear spell.
  • Copastetic1985Copastetic1985 Member Posts: 277
    Vanilla Bard just isn't that great with EE. If you want to run a Bard kit that's good for support, take a Skald. With a Skald, you can sing, get an attack ( or two with Light Crossbow of Speed, or three with Darts, or five with Melf's Minute Meteors ) in while under the effects of Skald Song. You can perma keep the song up this way as well. Just keep your rounds straight.

    Also, at the tail end of a spell you can hit the song again to keep the effect up.

    Anyways, Skald is the new Bard.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    edited March 2013

    Vanilla Bard just isn't that great with EE. If you want to run a Bard kit that's good for support, take a Skald. With a Skald, you can sing, get an attack ( or two with Light Crossbow of Speed, or three with Darts, or five with Melf's Minute Meteors ) in while under the effects of Skald Song. You can perma keep the song up this way as well. Just keep your rounds straight.

    Also, at the tail end of a spell you can hit the song again to keep the effect up.

    Anyways, Skald is the new Bard.

    Skalds are fantastic as party buffers, though a bit boring to play as CHARNAME, I prefer a Blade or Jester, though the latter will be a bit underpowered in BG2
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  • Copastetic1985Copastetic1985 Member Posts: 277
    Just out of curiosity, how does the enhanced Bard song work? I know what it does, but when you click the harp icon, does it use the new song or, does it go into the abilities section?

    Never took a Bard that far into BG2. I'm hoping it's the former.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729

    Just out of curiosity, how does the enhanced Bard song work? I know what it does, but when you click the harp icon, does it use the new song or, does it go into the abilities section?

    Never took a Bard that far into BG2. I'm hoping it's the former.

    Enhanced Bard Song just replaces the existing Bard song, so if this is picked, the Skald and Jester song ends up the same as the non-kitted Bard/Blade song
  • Copastetic1985Copastetic1985 Member Posts: 277
    That's fine with me. Maybe they'll give us a few more in 2EE.
  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356
    Yes ... Bard song was hugely more useful in Icewind Dale, where Bards learned new songs as they levelled, so that you eventually had 6 different songs available with a variety of useful effects (and in fact rather more like the even older Bard's Tale game).

    Implementing IWD-style Bard song would be a great enhancement for BG! It'd make the Skald and Jester kits redundant, though, because every Bard would eventually gain songs with similar effects. But the Blade kit would still be different and useful.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    edited March 2013
    BTW if you like Bards (as I do), I would highly recommend reading the beautifully-written Patrick Rothuss novels "The Name of the Wind" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Name_of_the_Wind ) and "The Wise Man's Fear" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wise_Man's_Fear ), the protagonist has a lot of similarities with a D&D Bard (music, magic, melee combat), though the novels are not set in the D&D universe.
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