Yes the Solars vision must be false in some sense. It is clear through all of the BG-saga that Bhaal walked the land BEFORE (and not during) the Time of Trubles and seeded his children. If this was to be true Sarevok and the PC should be somewhat 10-12 years old at present time.
Okay, thanks, forgot that bit about the protagonist being 20.
Is it that mutiple Bhaalspawn of varying ages are assembled by Gorion's mother for the sacrifice? If so then Sarevok can certainly be a bit older than CHARNAME.
If the Bhaalspawn who are being sacrified by Alieanna are infants-to-adolescents then I agree that they would have to be at least around 5 years old to escape. It seems rather far-fetched that even a child Bhaalspawn could cast a level 5 spell such as Chaos! This is just really bad/sloppy story writing by the developers, if that's what happened. But perhaps the shade of 'child Sarevok' is just reporting his confused experience at that age, and in actuality the Chaos spell was cast by one of the intervening Harpers, or a member of Alieanna's party. That would be my 'fanon' explanation, lol.
Okay, thanks, forgot that bit about the protagonist being 20.
Is it that mutiple Bhaalspawn of varying ages are assembled by Gorion's mother for the sacrifice? If so then Sarevok can certainly be a bit older than CHARNAME.
If the Bhaalspawn who are being sacrified by Alieanna are infants-to-adolescents then I agree that they would have to be at least around 5 years old to escape. It seems rather far-fetched that even a child Bhaalspawn could cast a level 5 spell such as Chaos! This is just really bad/sloppy story writing by the developers, if that's what happened. But perhaps the shade of 'child Sarevok' is just reporting his confused experience at that age, and in actuality the Chaos spell was cast by one of the intervening Harpers, or a member of Alieanna's party. That would be my 'fanon' explanation, lol.
I think the Sarevok-child talks about the chaos of fighting when the Harpers attacked and not the spell...
I had a big problem with the change and feel of the story from BG 1 and 2. And TOB is almost unplayable for me from a story point of view. One of the things that has bothered me all these years is the seven daughters of Mystra references, Seven Sisters all through the first game. I really thought there was a Bhaal/Mystra arc going on in the fabric of the BG 1, but then that vanishes. Don't know, just always bothered me.
Using a capital C for Chaos is confusing there, i.e., "Some of us used the Chaos to escape, to flee [...] I was there, [...] I fled on my own." I guess it could be either chaos with a small c, or the spell cast by one of the adult combatants. Doesn't really matter either way, I suppose.
If anyone is up to summarizing all the relevant facts as we have them in-game, that would be awesome...
I'd like to see the full text of the ToB dialogs with the solar and summoned shades about this event, if anyone has them.
(I can find all this myself eventually, but if someone feels motivated, I mean.)
@Lemernis I can't guarantee that everything is accurate but this is how I remember things (and I replayed through the trilogy not long ago). I hope it helps.
Baldur's Gate 1: Prologue - You have spent the first 20 years of your life in Candlekeep. (note: seems to imply you were less than a year old when you were snatched from the temple)
Gorion is a Harper who entrusts your safety to his Harper friends in case "you become separated".
Big Guy Elminster checks up on you during your travels - doesn't reveal his connection to the Harpers but shows his disappointment if you are evil.
From Sarevok's original diary (not the bastardised version of SixofSpades, but to each his own) it is implied that his ascension in the hierarchy of the Iron Throne takes about three years. (note: he meets the PC in 1368, he is maneuvering to take the Duke's place in 1370) Sarevok's diary: http://lparchive.org/Baldurs-Gate/Update 33/ He appears to be a calculated, determined man who seizes on the opportunities presented to him to consolidate his position in society. (1)
Sarevok can realistically fake the part of an older monk (no one guessed who he was on his previous visit and they are only a bit confused on his return to Candlekeep) (2)
After returning to Candlekeep you find a letter where Gorion explains that he took you in after your mother's death on account of them being former lovers. (note: It would hardly have endeared the old man to the PC if Gorion had said "I killed your mother and by the way, I kept you a prisoner in Candlekeep (the safest place I could find) because you father is the God of Murder and my Boss doesn't want him coming back. But please believe me that I grew to love you.")
Baldur's Gate 2: [the plot switches to Irenicus and his insane plan]
Baldur's Gate 2, Throne of Bhaal: The Solar teleports you to your Pocket Plane. She nudges you in the direction of Sarevok, who has managed to find his way to the Pocket Plane and is offering a bargain.
The Solar says that there is someone who can help the PC make better sense of what is going on. Instead of explaining everything herself, the allows you to make a bargain with Sarevok for a piece of your soul.
The Solar shows you a vision of Aliana, whom she says is your mother. Vision-Aliana says that you were meant as a sacrifice to Bhaal and as his priestess she would have gone ahead and done what she had to. The Solar shows you a vision of young Sarevok. Vision-Sarevok explains how he got away from the temple in the confusion. (note: his voice and avatar show that he is a child not a toddler) (3)
You face Yourself-as-Sarevok and his former team.
The Solar asks you if, taking into account what you have learnt, there is a debt between you and Sarevok, since Gorion snatched only you to safety. (note: Gorion snatched you and the Harpers never said a word. My assumption is that you were like a thermometer: when events started to heat up, when you'd start to show Bhaalspawn powers, the Harpers would start mobilizing their forces. You were not snatched because of any idea of compassion, especially since other children were murdered. But the Harpers only needed one. Fortune favored them and they managed to get "an heir and a spare" (you and Imoen) in the same place.)
The Solar offers you the choice: godhood or mortality. If you are an evil character who picks godhood, she metaphorically spits in your face and tells you that you will be fighting her and her superiors soon. Even though you have spared the realms a lot of bloodshed by eliminating the Five and Mellisan, if you want - for any reason - power for yourself (as an evil character, even if it is lawful evil) she says you have made powerful enemies. ------------------ (1),(2),(3) - seem to suggest that Sarevok would be around 30 in ToB (if he wasn't dead)
Additional facts: The Solar pushes you into the arms of a Chaotic Evil character (tells you to listen to what he has to say) and allows (she is monitoring you after all) you to sell a piece of your soul in return for meager information. The Solar tells you that you are that you have made a lot of powerful enemies and will be treated accordingly (she mentions something about being at war with them) if, at the end, you want power for yourself (as an evil character) ----------------- My conclusion: The Solar does not give a f... about anything other than her god's wishes and twists every event in your past to her advantage. (there is nothing to be gained from you knowing that your mother was a psycho who wanted to kill you to resurrect your father, other than causing you a lot of grief. )
All her machinations were made so that a) you could become a good deity b) you could become an evil mortal.
With this in mind it is hard to believe that the images she shows you are the truth since they are meant to impress and mold your opinion of yourself to fit her needs.
Gorion started to care about you, but his initial motives were not noble. Jaheira (depending on how you play) may start to care about your fate, but her initial motives were not noble. She is there to keep an eye on you and is there because Gorion passes her this responsibility in the event of his death. Because you are a loose canon, in SoA a group of Harpers want to Imprison you. Even if Jaheira stands by you, other Harpers, later in the game, show that she is in the minority. You are considered a liability now. This all leads me to believe that you were indeed just a thermometer for the Bhaalspawn Crisis.
The writers from ToB didn't bother to research what the writers from BG1 wrote, even though it would have taken them less than a day. I don't believe this can be put down to 'creativity'. I think it's a shame they amputated such a big part of the character's background which would have left a lot of space for roleplay (the protagonist's heritage on his mother's side).
@Neleothesze: That's some good research. It does irritate me that they broke with cannon so readily and completely.
Unfortunately, the game was going to have a few plot holes in it. The timeline really only makes sense if you are a human. Considering that dwarves, elves and half-elves all age at different rates, it'd be tough to develop an exact timeline. If Gorion rescues an elven baby, he will have to wait many decades for it become an adventurer (and will likely be dead before it becomes an adult). Sarevok would have to have been the same age as you, since Gorion was given the choice of taking you or him. So if you were an elven baby, he'd also be ancient by the time you fought him. Grandpa Sarevok and his Deathbringer Assault indeed.
Am I the only one who wished they didn't reveal my mother, or anything about her? That was an important mystery to me. It allowed me a part of the story to write myself that no one else could control.
Am I the only one who wished they didn't reveal my mother, or anything about her? That was an important mystery to me. It allowed me a part of the story to write myself that no one else could control.
@Silence I would have loved it if they'd left the PC's mother out of the 'drama' surrounding the Bhaalspawn thing or if David Gaider, with Ascension, would have clarified some of the inconsistencies.
Am I the only one who wished they didn't reveal my mother, or anything about her? That was an important mystery to me. It allowed me a part of the story to write myself that no one else could control.
You can simply assume (with what has been said above) that solar is lying.
- "You have spent most of your 20 years of life within this keep's walls." Also, in ToB when "Gorion's ghost" (a mirage cast by the manipulative Solar, more like) says that PC and 'other babes' were supposed to be sacrificed, but the next second the "baby Sarevok ghost" says: "Some of us used the Chaos to escape, to flee [...] I was there, [...] I fled on my own."
I refuse to believe an infant, or even a three or four year old child could escape on their own from a hidden, guarded temple in the middle of a hostile raid. He must have been around 7 years at least... IF you believed any of this story, which I don't. (People often said Gorion lied in his letter... well I say that the Solar is lying through its hypothetical teeth and conjuring those images at random. I realize I'm in a minority in this, even if that time inconsistency I mentioned above seems to support this theory ;D )
Either on purpose or accidentally, they also forgot to mention the location of the temple where Sarevok and you were to be sacrificed - the one in the undercity of Baldur's Gate. I don't know how the infant Sarevok managed to flee a labirynth full of undead, but it makes sense that he soon became another one of Baldur's Gate's countless homeless orphans.
@Neleothesze: That's some good research. It does irritate me that they broke with cannon so readily and completely.
Unfortunately, the game was going to have a few plot holes in it. The timeline really only makes sense if you are a human. Considering that dwarves, elves and half-elves all age at different rates, it'd be tough to develop an exact timeline. If Gorion rescues an elven baby, he will have to wait many decades for it become an adventurer (and will likely be dead before it becomes an adult). Sarevok would have to have been the same age as you, since Gorion was given the choice of taking you or him. So if you were an elven baby, he'd also be ancient by the time you fought him. Grandpa Sarevok and his Deathbringer Assault indeed.
Well elfs dont take decades to become adults do they? They reach adulthood in the same maners as a human but then starts to age slower.
I had a big problem with the change and feel of the story from BG 1 and 2. And TOB is almost unplayable for me from a story point of view. One of the things that has bothered me all these years is the seven daughters of Mystra references, Seven Sisters all through the first game. I really thought there was a Bhaal/Mystra arc going on in the fabric of the BG 1, but then that vanishes. Don't know, just always bothered me.
Same here. I still like BG with the TotSc-expansion best. BGII was good but not as good as BG. I did not like ToB at all. To grand. To fast. To many Bhaalspawns. To much divinity. To many retcons.
All her machinations were made so that a) you could become a good deity b) you could become an evil mortal.
I like this theory a lot. It is very obviously not what the writers were thinking, but it adds a neat little twist and fits the facts.
I will take this as acceptable fanon explanation from now on.
Note that the lazy storytelling of ToB is far from limited to the main quest. The writers, for example, apparently didn't bother to check and see which plane Bhaal resided on when he was still alive and just kinda assumed it was the Abyss. I remember being annoyed with that when I first played ToB. Is a little bare bones fact checking really so hard?
SamuelVarg is correct, I have been wondering about this contradiction myself. I figure the developers have simply forgotten about a tiny piece of canon lore they had set up previously. In game projects as large as the BG series, that happens on occasion.
The scroll's item code is SCRL2J, and here is the part which is relevant to the topic:
[...] For reasons unknown to me, he sought out women of every race and forced himself upon them. Your mother was one of those women, and as you know, she died in childbirth. I had been her friend and, on occasion, lover. I felt obligated to raise you as my own. I have always thought of you as my child and I hope you still think of me as your father. [...]
Wait a minute, Gorion AND Baal slept with the PC's mother? Eww.... no wonder he wanted to get out of Candlekeep.
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Oh and then in BG 1 Imoen is a life-long friend, perhaps hints of romance, then BAM in BG II you find out she is your sister. Like Star Wars I tell ya...
I swear, the plot in TOB is so convoluted, twisting in on itself and back again, that I just take the attitude of kill 'em all and let Baal sort 'em out.
@Zwiebelchen Tyvm. :P It did actually occur to me only after I played through the game and was toying around with some character backgrounds ) But it would be more impressive if I were to shout "plot hole" and pretend I noticed it all along so don't give it away! Shh!
I raised this issue a while ago too, the moral justify that we fans can come to conclusion is that Gorion lied to protect the main char from the truth.
The real reason probally is that when they made BG, they doesn't even imagined that one day they would launch Throne of Bhaal, therefore they ignored some small issues from the old BG in the ToB making process, if that was by mistake or intentional i don't know.
A few points to ponder after reading this thread. A lot of people who wonder how/why Sarevok managed to gain control of the trading costers and try to affix an age to him based on that seem to forget that he too was adopted at a young age by the head of the trading coster( i've forgotten the names of the trading boss but it was explained in a few notes found around baldur's gate). So he was already within that innner circle of traders and being raised by this guy, he would have unique and intricate knowledge of how things ran and how he could manipulate them and his own "father" into taking control. Age would have nothing to do with this and he could have easily done this even at a relatively young age.
I assumed when i was playing ToB that solar was lying to try and manipulate me into making a decision she wanted and would be to her advantage. I wondered how my mother performed this right after giving birth to me? I'm sure all mothers out there can attest to this, that if you died at childbirth(even assuming you lived i doubt charname's mother would even have the energy)....how could you possibly have sprung up from the birthing bed, grabbed your new born child, tossed him onto an altar and tried to sacrifice him to Bhaal and it just so happened that at that precise moment, the harpers just happened to be attackiing the temple....too many coincidences=lies. SAY WHAT? She died at childbirth. Solar is lying. Pardon the pun but Solar was spinning a yarn of Bhaalshit.
Thought i had a few more things but my train of thoguht just derailed and it was messy.
Solar isn't lying, that's pretty clear, and your mother didn't tried to kill you just after your birth, all bhaal childrens where to be killed in an special cerimony, where the priests gathered all the childrens they could to kill inside an specific temple, the childrens were of 3/4 age as when Gorion storm the place with the harpers to kill the priests, after he leave the place Sarevok aparently leave that event walking from the wreckage of the stormed temple.
As far as interpretation goes, we both obviously interpreted things differently and since it's been WAY too long since i've played ToB, i can't prepare a proper rebuttal to yours. I'll get cracking on playing ToB and see if it joggles my memory a bit more and come back to this and see if my memory reinforces my point or tilts towards yours.
...A lot of people who wonder how/why Sarevok managed to gain control of the trading costers and try to affix an age to him based on that seem to forget that he too was adopted at a young age by the head of the trading coster ( i've forgotten the names of the trading boss but it was explained in a few notes found around baldur's gate). So he was already within that innner circle of traders and being raised by this guy, he would have unique and intricate knowledge of how things ran and how he could manipulate them and his own "father" into taking control. Age would have nothing to do with this and he could have easily done this even at a relatively young age...
Yeah, you're correct, it's been so long since I've played that I failed to remember this. SixofSpades once posted Sarevok's whole diary at Pocket Planne (see here), with some very minor edits, eg, correcting dates. Sarevok's adopted father is Rieltar Anchev, whom CHARNAME defeats at Candlekeep in Chapter 6. I had forgotten that Winski Perorate, Sarevok's mentor, did not raise Sarevok. Rather, it was Rieltar, the powerful merchant in Baldur's Gate, who is also referenced in the Cloakwood mines plot.
In Sarevok's diary he relates that he is a few years older than Gorion's ward. So he's about 23, let's say. It makes much more sense that Sarevok is able to pull off his scheme to assume control of the Iron Throne given that his father paved the way for him.
Uh, what? How is it clear? Here's a quote from one of the visions Solar showed us:
"I am you mother. [...] In the Time of Troubles did Bhaal himself come and whisper in mine ear. I was to give birth to one of the Children. To you."
Here are excerpts from the official timeline (http://crpp0001.uqtr.ca/w4/campagne/Fichiers_Word/FR_DG/TimelineoftheRealms.pdf): 1358 / Year of Shadows - The Time of Troubles; gods walk the Realms. 1368 / Year of the Banner - "Baldur's Gate:" Sarevok, spawn of the dead god Bhaal, plots with the Iron Throne to start a war between Amn and Baldur's Gate. Scar of the Flaming Fists and Grand Duke Eltan of Baldur's Gate are slain. Another spawn of Bhaal, Abdel Adrian, confronts Sarevok and slays him.
Either someone is lying, or Sarevok had been defeated by a nine year old child.
Also, it isn't specified how old the Charname was at the time of ritual - Alianna says that she was hidden in a secret temple, and the ritual took place after Bhaal died - however, considering that Time of Troubles lasted about 5 months... Bhaal was killed within five months of first approaching your mother, and yet as soon as he was dead, you were already born and ready to be sacrificed. This was some speedy pregnancy. Either someone is lying, or your mother was on some divine steroids.
Or, of course, the writers really botched up their fact checking, but who cares about boring RL reasons when we can spin RP conspiracy theories? :P
Well another inconsistency is the fact that IF Gorion new about your mother and had her as a lover, then Solar's twist of fate would have made no sense. Gorion would choose his lover's child, therefore, there is no "small twist of fate" now, if it was a lie on Gorion's part, then that makes some sense on Solar's part.
If you try to apply all the lore of D&D official lore in Baldur's Gate, you gonna perceive that everyone, including the devs that made the original game are lying to you, the game has far more break points than timelines. Besides, i can't confirm your source.
@Gilgalahad i made reference to this line of your previous post:
"I assumed when i was playing ToB that solar was lying to try and manipulate me into making a decision she wanted and would be to her advantage."
If that was sarcasm, then yes, i need learn something of this new way of make sarcasm. By the way you could have fooled me cos i never thought that those lines were a joke!
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If this was to be true Sarevok and the PC should be somewhat 10-12 years old at present time.
Okay, thanks, forgot that bit about the protagonist being 20.
Is it that mutiple Bhaalspawn of varying ages are assembled by Gorion's mother for the sacrifice? If so then Sarevok can certainly be a bit older than CHARNAME.
If the Bhaalspawn who are being sacrified by Alieanna are infants-to-adolescents then I agree that they would have to be at least around 5 years old to escape. It seems rather far-fetched that even a child Bhaalspawn could cast a level 5 spell such as Chaos! This is just really bad/sloppy story writing by the developers, if that's what happened. But perhaps the shade of 'child Sarevok' is just reporting his confused experience at that age, and in actuality the Chaos spell was cast by one of the intervening Harpers, or a member of Alieanna's party. That would be my 'fanon' explanation, lol.
I'd like to see the full text of the ToB dialogs with the solar and summoned shades about this event, if anyone has them.
(I can find all this myself eventually, but if someone feels motivated, I mean.)
Using a capital C for Chaos is confusing there, i.e., "Some of us used the Chaos to escape, to flee [...] I was there, [...] I fled on my own." I guess it could be either chaos with a small c, or the spell cast by one of the adult combatants. Doesn't really matter either way, I suppose.
Baldur's Gate 1:
Prologue - You have spent the first 20 years of your life in Candlekeep. (note: seems to imply you were less than a year old when you were snatched from the temple)
Gorion is a Harper who entrusts your safety to his Harper friends in case "you become separated".
Big Guy Elminster checks up on you during your travels - doesn't reveal his connection to the Harpers but shows his disappointment if you are evil.
From Sarevok's original diary (not the bastardised version of SixofSpades, but to each his own) it is implied that his ascension in the hierarchy of the Iron Throne takes about three years. (note: he meets the PC in 1368, he is maneuvering to take the Duke's place in 1370) Sarevok's diary: http://lparchive.org/Baldurs-Gate/Update 33/ He appears to be a calculated, determined man who seizes on the opportunities presented to him to consolidate his position in society. (1)
Sarevok can realistically fake the part of an older monk (no one guessed who he was on his previous visit and they are only a bit confused on his return to Candlekeep) (2)
After returning to Candlekeep you find a letter where Gorion explains that he took you in after your mother's death on account of them being former lovers. (note: It would hardly have endeared the old man to the PC if Gorion had said "I killed your mother and by the way, I kept you a prisoner in Candlekeep (the safest place I could find) because you father is the God of Murder and my Boss doesn't want him coming back. But please believe me that I grew to love you.")
Baldur's Gate 2:
[the plot switches to Irenicus and his insane plan]
Baldur's Gate 2, Throne of Bhaal:
The Solar teleports you to your Pocket Plane. She nudges you in the direction of Sarevok, who has managed to find his way to the Pocket Plane and is offering a bargain.
The Solar says that there is someone who can help the PC make better sense of what is going on. Instead of explaining everything herself, the allows you to make a bargain with Sarevok for a piece of your soul.
The Solar shows you a vision of Aliana, whom she says is your mother. Vision-Aliana says that you were meant as a sacrifice to Bhaal and as his priestess she would have gone ahead and done what she had to.
The Solar shows you a vision of young Sarevok. Vision-Sarevok explains how he got away from the temple in the confusion. (note: his voice and avatar show that he is a child not a toddler) (3)
You face Yourself-as-Sarevok and his former team.
The Solar asks you if, taking into account what you have learnt, there is a debt between you and Sarevok, since Gorion snatched only you to safety. (note: Gorion snatched you and the Harpers never said a word. My assumption is that you were like a thermometer: when events started to heat up, when you'd start to show Bhaalspawn powers, the Harpers would start mobilizing their forces. You were not snatched because of any idea of compassion, especially since other children were murdered. But the Harpers only needed one. Fortune favored them and they managed to get "an heir and a spare" (you and Imoen) in the same place.)
The Solar offers you the choice: godhood or mortality. If you are an evil character who picks godhood, she metaphorically spits in your face and tells you that you will be fighting her and her superiors soon. Even though you have spared the realms a lot of bloodshed by eliminating the Five and Mellisan, if you want - for any reason - power for yourself (as an evil character, even if it is lawful evil) she says you have made powerful enemies.
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(1),(2),(3) - seem to suggest that Sarevok would be around 30 in ToB (if he wasn't dead)
Additional facts:
The Solar pushes you into the arms of a Chaotic Evil character (tells you to listen to what he has to say) and allows (she is monitoring you after all) you to sell a piece of your soul in return for meager information.
The Solar tells you that you are that you have made a lot of powerful enemies and will be treated accordingly (she mentions something about being at war with them) if, at the end, you want power for yourself (as an evil character)
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My conclusion: The Solar does not give a f... about anything other than her god's wishes and twists every event in your past to her advantage. (there is nothing to be gained from you knowing that your mother was a psycho who wanted to kill you to resurrect your father, other than causing you a lot of grief.
All her machinations were made so that a) you could become a good deity b) you could become an evil mortal.
With this in mind it is hard to believe that the images she shows you are the truth since they are meant to impress and mold your opinion of yourself to fit her needs.
Gorion started to care about you, but his initial motives were not noble. Jaheira (depending on how you play) may start to care about your fate, but her initial motives were not noble. She is there to keep an eye on you and is there because Gorion passes her this responsibility in the event of his death.
Because you are a loose canon, in SoA a group of Harpers want to Imprison you. Even if Jaheira stands by you, other Harpers, later in the game, show that she is in the minority. You are considered a liability now.
This all leads me to believe that you were indeed just a thermometer for the Bhaalspawn Crisis.
The writers from ToB didn't bother to research what the writers from BG1 wrote, even though it would have taken them less than a day. I don't believe this can be put down to 'creativity'. I think it's a shame they amputated such a big part of the character's background which would have left a lot of space for roleplay (the protagonist's heritage on his mother's side).
Unfortunately, the game was going to have a few plot holes in it. The timeline really only makes sense if you are a human. Considering that dwarves, elves and half-elves all age at different rates, it'd be tough to develop an exact timeline. If Gorion rescues an elven baby, he will have to wait many decades for it become an adventurer (and will likely be dead before it becomes an adult). Sarevok would have to have been the same age as you, since Gorion was given the choice of taking you or him. So if you were an elven baby, he'd also be ancient by the time you fought him. Grandpa Sarevok and his Deathbringer Assault indeed.
I don't know how the infant Sarevok managed to flee a labirynth full of undead, but it makes sense that he soon became another one of Baldur's Gate's countless homeless orphans.
They reach adulthood in the same maners as a human but then starts to age slower.
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The real reason probally is that when they made BG, they doesn't even imagined that one day they would launch Throne of Bhaal, therefore they ignored some small issues from the old BG in the ToB making process, if that was by mistake or intentional i don't know.
I assumed when i was playing ToB that solar was lying to try and manipulate me into making a decision she wanted and would be to her advantage. I wondered how my mother performed this right after giving birth to me? I'm sure all mothers out there can attest to this, that if you died at childbirth(even assuming you lived i doubt charname's mother would even have the energy)....how could you possibly have sprung up from the birthing bed, grabbed your new born child, tossed him onto an altar and tried to sacrifice him to Bhaal and it just so happened that at that precise moment, the harpers just happened to be attackiing the temple....too many coincidences=lies. SAY WHAT? She died at childbirth. Solar is lying. Pardon the pun but Solar was spinning a yarn of Bhaalshit.
Thought i had a few more things but my train of thoguht just derailed and it was messy.
As far as interpretation goes, we both obviously interpreted things differently and since it's been WAY too long since i've played ToB, i can't prepare a proper rebuttal to yours. I'll get cracking on playing ToB and see if it joggles my memory a bit more and come back to this and see if my memory reinforces my point or tilts towards yours.
In Sarevok's diary he relates that he is a few years older than Gorion's ward. So he's about 23, let's say. It makes much more sense that Sarevok is able to pull off his scheme to assume control of the Iron Throne given that his father paved the way for him.
"I am you mother. [...] In the Time of Troubles did Bhaal himself come and whisper in mine ear. I was to give birth to one of the Children. To you."
Here are excerpts from the official timeline (http://crpp0001.uqtr.ca/w4/campagne/Fichiers_Word/FR_DG/TimelineoftheRealms.pdf):
1358 / Year of Shadows - The Time of Troubles; gods walk the Realms.
1368 / Year of the Banner - "Baldur's Gate:" Sarevok, spawn of the dead god Bhaal, plots with
the Iron Throne to start a war between Amn and Baldur's Gate. Scar of the Flaming Fists and Grand Duke Eltan of Baldur's Gate are slain. Another spawn of Bhaal, Abdel Adrian, confronts Sarevok and slays him.
Either someone is lying, or Sarevok had been defeated by a nine year old child.
Also, it isn't specified how old the Charname was at the time of ritual - Alianna says that she was hidden in a secret temple, and the ritual took place after Bhaal died - however, considering that Time of Troubles lasted about 5 months... Bhaal was killed within five months of first approaching your mother, and yet as soon as he was dead, you were already born and ready to be sacrificed. This was some speedy pregnancy.
Either someone is lying, or your mother was on some divine steroids.
Or, of course, the writers really botched up their fact checking, but who cares about boring RL reasons when we can spin RP conspiracy theories? :P
@Gilgalahad i made reference to this line of your previous post:
"I assumed when i was playing ToB that solar was lying to try and manipulate me into making a decision she wanted and would be to her advantage."
If that was sarcasm, then yes, i need learn something of this new way of make sarcasm. By the way you could have fooled me cos i never thought that those lines were a joke!