Lord of the Rings Party - What Are Their Stats?
Gandalf is clearly a Mage.
Aragorn is clearly a Ranger.
Legolas is a Ranger with Archer kit.
Gimli is a Fighter.
Frodo is... well, he doesn't really have any adventuring skills, actually... but I guess we'll say he's a Thief. (The other hobbits don't really have adventuring skills either, so we'll leave them out.)
Arwen is, I would say, a Cleric... or Druid.
What would their stats be?
Aragorn is clearly a Ranger.
Legolas is a Ranger with Archer kit.
Gimli is a Fighter.
Frodo is... well, he doesn't really have any adventuring skills, actually... but I guess we'll say he's a Thief. (The other hobbits don't really have adventuring skills either, so we'll leave them out.)
Arwen is, I would say, a Cleric... or Druid.
What would their stats be?
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Aragorn - Palladin
Boromir - Fighter
Gimli - Fighter
Legolas - Ranger
Gandalf - Mage
Frodo/Sam/Merry/Pippin - Bard
In LotR Aragorn was sort of the prototype for the Ranger class, as Tolkien described the character. Although I can see paladin fitting him as well.
What about Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, and Cha for them, though?
@Lemernis, after this I fully expect to see "The Lost in Space Party, What are Their Stats?" as your next thread!
Does seem kind of feral, though.
I think the challenge with something like this is giving each character accurate stats but not "god stats," ie attributes that are so good any one of them could stand in for a PC. Ie, we don't simply max everything out and call it a day.
So Legolas has a high DEX (17-18) and maybe Gimli has Mastery or High Mastery with axes.
And he's a fighter/mage. I mean, wielding a two handed staff in one hand, a sword in the other, and riding a horse in the front lines? That's no old man!
From the books, I'd say he would be closer to 10Str 9Dex 8Con 14Int 16Wis 18-20Cha
Legolas is a ranger - archer 12Str 18-19Dex 10Con 12Int 12Wis 12Cha
Aragorn is a Paladin/Ranger 15Str 15Dex 14Con 12Int 14Wis 16-18Cha
Gimli is a fighter 18Str 10Dex 18Con 10Int 8Wis 10Cha
Baromir is a figher 16Str 12Dex 12Con 12Int 10Wis 12Cha
Frodo would be a peasant with 12Str 14Dex 16Con 16Int 10Wis 12Cha (you need some high con to survive those wounds he got, and he was smart enough to get pretty far... just not wise enough to avoid the trouble.)
Sam is a bard with 14Str 10Dex 12Con 10Int 12Wis 16Cha (Sam was very good at improving morale!)
First of all, main characters on this journey are not your "normal" folk of their people (well, are people in D&D? I think all the "main characters" in any D&D game are like The Fellowship - Heroes), except for Legolas and the Hobbitses.
Elves in Tolkien's works are simply put: OP. The story has very much plot-holes and things what don't make sense (why not send more elves with the hobbit? There sure as H.... would be volunteers, for the good of all and what not. See: Folk of Thranduil.)
Then, in Tolkien's works, it dosn't come down to Physical strenght and martial prowess in most fights. There seems to be something much larger going on in the background (willpower, fate, spirit, call it what you will). There were -single- elves who could fell Balrogs. Elves were absolutely brutal, they slaughtered each other and had all sorts of fun with axes and what not. Elves are also stronger than any man or dwarf, now don't quote me on this, but do research yourself and bring something to quote against me on this.
Legolas: To put stats on him would put him above any character in The Fellowship, except Gandalf. Also - Legolas does not dual wield. He carried a "long white knife". His age however is never specified, so we can't tell how "great" of an elf he is (since some of their powers seem to be tied to: A) Their heritage.
Gandalf calls Legolas a "dangerous warrior".
There's Gandalf, who as mlneyse above me said, is a demigod. Now, bringing classes into this discussion just dosn't work again. Magic operates in a whole different way in LOTR, you can't just say that Gandalf is a "Mage" in D&D terms, that.. dosn't work. But lets not go more in depth with this character. Gandalf is a Wizard, and he's.. 2000 years old?
Now we get to the good stuff, Aragorn, a Dunedain.
Again, the "superior races" in Tolkien's world come as OP. The folk of Numenor -were- almost as powerful as elves. And the same blood, even though heavily lessened flows in Aragorn's veins.
"The Dúnedain were superior to other Men in nobility of spirit and body, although they were still capable of evil if corrupted, and tended to do more evil in such circumstances. They were tall, with dark hair, pale skin and grey eyes.
In addition, Dúnedain, especially those of high rank, possessed great wisdom and discernment, and occasional prophecy. They benefited from longer life-spans (three times the life of a regular man) than ordinary men and could retain their youth until the very end of their days. Though the reason is not fully explained in the 'Tale of the Years', one factor that almost certainly contributed to their numerical decline was an extremely low birth rate, with many couples having only one child."
Moving on, Boromir.
Now this is easy. He's a clean human, of "noble" blood. Trained since childhood to be one of Gondor's captains. Thus, he is nothing more than a Fighter. Boromir has "uncanny strenght", thus being -very- strong for a human? (Being able to burrow through shoulder high snow to clear a way down from the mountains..) He has very high Survival skill, he advised the Fellowship to gather firewood before going up the mountain, so they would not freeze.. So, the question comes. Is he wise or merely well trained? His wisdom was to use the ring, which is all good and well, but he sure failed his saves as he tried to take it from Frodo. Then again, Boromir is also displayed as, allow me to quote: "He was noble and lordly, and at the same time deeply loyal, exhibiting strong love for his people and his family."
Next up: Gimli.
This quote pretty much sums it all up: "He was an honourable, wise, and stalwart warrior, favouring the axe as his weapon." Gimli's only real weakness shown in the books is his strong dislike towards Legolas because of their past. But he overcomes this. Being able to run for days, Gimli, like Aragorn and Legolas has superior constitution.
End note: My apologies, did I just take this whole thread Off-Topic with my scramblings?
I agree with you, you can't really transfer the Tolkien system to DnD.
Though trying is still fun
Being a Maia, Gandalf would have pretty godly stats. He fought 1 on 1 with a Balrog (with a bit help from his magic ring).
Gandalf - Maia - Fighter/Mage - 18/00 STR - 18 DEX - 17 CON - 20 INT - 21 WIS - 17 CHA
Bards can pick pockets as well, so Bard is actually pretty fitting to the Hobbits. Plus they like songs
It should be a modified Hobbit version Bard ideally, who cannot cast spells.
Frodo - Hobbit - Bard - 10 STR - 11 DEX - 11 CON - 13 INT - 11 WIS - 15 CHA
Sam, I go with ekster's version with a bit lower strength:
Sam - Hobbit - Bard - 11 STR - 10 DEX - 12 CON - 10 INT - 12 WIS - 16 CHA
Pippin, Merry ?
Aragorn - Dunadain - Ranger - 18/10 STR - 16 DEX - 17 CON - 13 INT - 13 WIS - 17 CHA
Boromir - Human - Fighter - 17 STR - 16 DEX - 15 CON - 13 INT - 9 WIS - 11 CHA
Elves are OP in the Tolkien world.
Legolas - Woodelf - Archer - 18/71 STR - 19 DEX - 18 CON - 15 INT - 18 WIS - 15 CHA
Gimli - Dwarf - Fighter - 18/35 STR - 12 DEX - 17 CON - 9 INT - 11 WIS - 9 CHA
What would be the alignments of them?
Lots of Lawful and Neutral Good, I guess
I'd say, the cave troll should be, maybe, 19 or 20 STR by DnD standards?
The Troll was dangerous but was just a beast. So the normal limits a Maia imposes himself apply. He can help, guide, even fight, but he can't solve all the problems for the mortals.
On another note, I'd raise his constitution above 20 as well. The fight against the Balrog went on for THREE full days, no rests, no stops... just stop to consider what it means
Anyone that says Boromir is evil is taking crazy pills. He's obviously not. In fact Tolkien pretty much says so in the way that Aragorn first describes him.
For Aragorn, I'm not sure where to put him on the lawful/chaotic scale, but I think he is mostly neutral good. While he is able to follow and do what has to be done, he also did disappear to do his own thing as a ranger because he wouldn't accept his bloodline.
Gandalf is True Neutral. While he helped the good side to win, I would not say that it was his purpose. He was there more to undo Sauron's work and get rid of Sauron, who shouldn't have been there in the first place. But other than that, Gandalf mostly let the mortals decide their own fate.
Legolas seems more of LG to me. In fact, I think he was the most lawful of them all. I cannot recall a single time when Legolas had problems taking orders or disregarded them.
Gimli is CG. He complained about almost everything, always wanted to do it his way, and wasn't much for order.
Sam was also LG. He had no reason to be there at all... but he was given one order by Gandalf and he almost died following it. Pretty impressive for a gardener. He might've sometimes acted a bit chaotic when it came to food or Smeagol, but in the end, he followed his orders anyway.
Frodo... I think he was somewhere between True Neutral and Neutral Good. While he was really Neutral Good, the ring's influence sometimes pushed him to TN.
Legolas was actually from among the weakest of the elvish groups, as when the Elves awoke prior to the first age of MIddle Earth some (the Moriquendi or Dark Elves) never reached Valinor and therefore never saw the light of the Two Trees before they were destroyed (long story). Legolas is descended from these elves. Elves which saw the light (Calaquendi) were superior in many ways, many being 7 foot or taller.
The first Numnoreans were led by Elrond's brother Elros, and thus have the blood of Calaquendi elves, so the Dunedain descendents were superior to other men. I believe there is Numenorean blood in Boromir too, albeit much thinner.
Anyways:
Gandalf - mostly mage but some elements of fighter and druid.
Aragorn - Ranger then paladin.
Legolas - Archer.
Gimli - fighter.
Boromir - fighter.
Hobbits - mixtures of thief and fighter.
The think about tolkien elves is that they live in two worlds, the physical and the spirit world. When Frodo was overcome by the ring, he moved to the spirit world and saw a bright light, which was Glorfindel. He's one of the elves that saw the light in Valinor and came back to middle earth. He is part of the Calaquendi ( Elves of the light). Legolas is one of the Moriquendi (Elves of the darkness), or those that have not seen the light, so technically you could even go as far as name him a dark elf, even though it has a totally different meaning in middle earth.
I could see the hobbitses as thieves with all thieving numbers put into move silently and hide in shadows.
The hobbitses in my eyes all have decent-high charisma. Frodo gets the attention and approval from all the races at Elronds council....to me that was a result of his charisma and not because of his solution to the ring problem. The other ones was mainly treated good, at least in comparison to others, even by the crazy old man Denethor!
Gandalf also seems like he'd be aligned more as a Chaotic Good character. And I don't see why he shouldn't have god-like stats...hell my Charname has them by the end of BG1 with all those damned tomes!
Also, don't you think Aragorn would have better Wisdom and Intelligence than Legolas? I mean he makes some tough TOUGH decisions that turn out well, works the whole "I'm back as a King, but not yet cause politically it might cause an issue" thing which seems pretty wise to me...
Aragorn - 18/95 str 17 dex 19 con 15 int 17 wis 18 cha seems about right.
Gimli - 19 str 14 dex 19 con 9 int 11 wis 8 cha
Legolas - 17 str 20 dex 19 con 14 int 15 wis 10 cha
Gandalf - Druid/Mage levels 50+ - 17 str 16 dex 20 con 25 int 25 wis 20 cha...with Mastery in swords and staff dual wielding!
Merry and Pippin start as level 1 thieves and spend their points in pick pocketing and opening locks and setting traps. They also dual to fighters at level 5...Both are CG - 14 str (becomes 16!) 12 dex 16 con 7 int 7 wis 14 cha (becomes 16!)
Frodo is a NG thief. Spends points in hide in shadows, moves silently, detect illusion. 11 str 15 dex 20 con 13 int 13 wis 18 cha
Sam is a NG bard. With no magic. But extra bonuses to Bard Song! 14 str 14 dex 18 con 9 int 14 wis 15 cha
The Ring is cursed, granting invisibility and Far Sight casts as well as enough damage to off set Frodo's 20 con and still hurt him at like 1 HP a day. It also changes the wearers Alignment from Good to Neutral or Neutral to Evil and if the wearer has less than half his HP left also drops them from Lawful to Neutral or Neutral to Chaotic...
Oh yeah, and Boromir is 19 str 14 dex 18 con 8 int 6 wis 17 cha...if he's a fighter then he's a Berzerker...