Mind flayer versus Beholder

johntyl

I was in the Beholder's nest in the Underdark and there was a war, or rather a massacre of the beholders by the intruding mind flayers! They literally charm the shit out of the beholders and brain devour them. One of them even charmed the Hive Mother and made her his/her/its pet! (I'm playing SCS-modded)

Are Mind flayers like the strongest out there? Besides special enemies like liches, dragons, etc.

Kurona

Both Beholders and Mind Flayers fight by spamming their bullshit powers like mad so basically whoever fails their save first lose. In a vanilla installation Beholders are more likely to win but SCS has an option to give Mind Flayers their old Tactics resistances and immunities so if you enabled it they gain a huge advantage over the Beholders, who aren't given the same treatment.

SCS Mind Flayers are very dangerous and spiteful, if they're hurt too badly they even Dimension Door away to deny you the XP. I never install them just because of that.

Hudzy

I would totally dimension door away to deny someone my XP.

Tresset

Kurona said:

SCS Mind Flayers are very dangerous and spiteful, if they're hurt too badly they even Dimension Door away to deny you the XP. I never install them just because of that.

Vampires do something like this as well, even without SCS, and I hate them for it.

johntyl

Kurona said:

SCS Mind Flayers are very dangerous and spiteful, if they're hurt too badly they even Dimension Door away to deny you the XP. I never install them just because of that.

Strange I've never encountered that b4. Probably they are so spiteful that they wanna devour everybit of my characters' brains till their last breath

johntyl

Tresset said:

Kurona said:

SCS Mind Flayers are very dangerous and spiteful, if they're hurt too badly they even Dimension Door away to deny you the XP. I never install them just because of that.

Vampires do something like this as well, even without SCS, and I hate them for it.

Oh yes, but SCS vamps are even worse. They will turn into bats and become immune to everything, and then come back with full health bars and vengeance.

Kurona

johntyl said:

Strange I've never encountered that b4. Probably they are so spiteful that they wanna devour everybit of my characters' brains till their last breath

Weaker flayers don't do it, but Ulitharids and the Alhoon definitely do. At least they used to in SCSII v.21; admittedly I haven't used the component since then so who knows.

Tresset

johntyl said:

Tresset said:

Kurona said:

SCS Mind Flayers are very dangerous and spiteful, if they're hurt too badly they even Dimension Door away to deny you the XP. I never install them just because of that.

Vampires do something like this as well, even without SCS, and I hate them for it.

Oh yes, but SCS vamps are even worse. They will turn into bats and become immune to everything, and then come back with full health bars and vengeance.

Gross...

sarevok57

Hudzy said:

I would totally dimension door away to deny someone my XP.

hahhahahhha, I would totally do the same

brunardo

lol thats funny, should they be able to dimension door out under old school rules?

lunar

You can still kill them when they attempt to dd away. A fast and hard hitting fighter helps. (Kensai or archers can nail them as they flee)

Normally, mind flayers have huge %90 mr and this protects them from most beholder attacks. However, death ray bypasses mr (bug or intended?) in some versions of the game and can kill a mf outright. Still, mind flayers can stun and kill beholders with ease as well. A literal dice toss.

jinxed75

Kurona said:

johntyl said:

Strange I've never encountered that b4. Probably they are so spiteful that they wanna devour everybit of my characters' brains till their last breath

Weaker flayers don't do it, but Ulitharids and the Alhoon definitely do. At least they used to in SCSII v.21; admittedly I haven't used the component since then so who knows.

Regular Mind Flayers and Ulitharids only use their Planar Travel to teleport themselves to your Party. The Dimension Door spell is sometimes buggy, making the caster disappear from the map completely. I had that happening with Mekrath in my last playthrough, too. So I don't think that is an intentional behaviour from the Alhoon.
Just reload if it happens.

Kurona

jinxed75 said:

Kurona said:

johntyl said:

Strange I've never encountered that b4. Probably they are so spiteful that they wanna devour everybit of my characters' brains till their last breath

Weaker flayers don't do it, but Ulitharids and the Alhoon definitely do. At least they used to in SCSII v.21; admittedly I haven't used the component since then so who knows.

Regular Mind Flayers and Ulitharids only use their Planar Travel to teleport themselves to your Party. The Dimension Door spell is sometimes buggy, making the caster disappear from the map completely. I had that happening with Mekrath in my last playthrough, too. So I don't think that is an intentional behaviour from the Alhoon.
Just reload if it happens.

Nope, their scripts outright use the DRYAD_TELEPORT spell (a fake DD removing them from the game) when their HP drop under 30%. There is a script action to drop their inventory but they still abscond with their XP. It's fully intended behavior.

jinxed75

Kurona said:

Nope, their scripts outright use the DRYAD_TELEPORT spell (a fake DD removing them from the game) when their HP drop under 30%. There is a script action to drop their inventory but they still abscond with their XP. It's fully intended behavior.

Lol, just checked the FLAYER01 and 02.BCS, and it appears that you're right This also means it applies to every Mind Flayer type.
Never really observed it happening, though.
Could of course be that I didn't notice due to large number of mobs SCS throws at you, and that the occasional escapee evaded its doom