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Evening Folks.
Having never really taken a Cava fully from BG1 through TOB; I'm now early/mid SoA and my Cavalier is literally ripping enemies apart. With a few buffs, hes eating Liches for breakfast. Granted hes now got the equivalent of a slightly weaker Carsomyr (In Halberd form, thanks to @Tresset :smile: Thanks dude!) after I cheesed SCS Imp Firkraag with Skull Traps, but still. I never knew how strong a well equipped Paladin could be.

I've always been tempted some day to try Kensai/Mage, or Kensai/Thief - but I'm scared, I've never Dual Classed, I've always been a Multi-Class boy :wink:

Anyway, as title - What are some of your powerful class & equipment combos? (Not looking to upset anyone by saying Combo A is better than Combo B - I'm really enjoying actually being on a BG Forum, I could discuss BG tactics for days!)
tbone1Aerakar

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  • SomeSortSomeSort Member Posts: 761
    Cavaliers are great. The bonuses vs. Dragons and Demons and the elemental resists are super-handy all series long. Plus, being naturally poison immune, they can stand in Cloudkills without taking damage. (Get them to 120+% fire resists and upgrade to Incendiary Clouds late game.) Inquisitors Schminsquisitors.

    Pureclass / Dual-class arcane casters are the most OP characters in SoA/ToB. Sorcerers, F>M duals, or my personal favorite, the Swash(10)>Mage dual for your basic thieving needs.

    Dwarven Defenders are kind of ridiculous. 70% on-demand damage resistance just for showing up, (90% with DoE), Shorty Saves, (basically +5 to Death, Wand, and Spell, plus an additional +2 to everything with Defensive Stance up), +27 HP (18 from the class, 9 from the dwarven constitution bonus), and their "drawback" is they lose out on 1/2 APR for forfeiting grandmastery. Boo freaking hoo.

    If one could easily multiclass kits, (yes I know there's a mod), a Wizard Slayer / Swashbuckler multi would be the craziest cheese ever. Massive damage, THACO, APR, and fighter HLAs for physical battles, on-demand disruption and easy magic immunity for magic battles, plus Time Stop and Spike Traps for why the hell not. All with literally no drawbacks past 3m XP.
    ThacoBelltbone1Aerakarsemiticgod
  • pabramspabrams Member Posts: 6
    edited April 17
    I used to do a plain Sorceror with a Staff. These days I'm doing Kensai/Mage with Katanas. In either case, Robe of Vecna.
  • pabramspabrams Member Posts: 6
    edited April 17
    @SomeSort Wait, how do you get Time Stop on a Wizard Slayer / Swashbuckler?

    Swash/Mage sounds interesting, except then I wouldn't have much reason for keeping a thief NPC like Jan, or Imoen, or that EE chick, or one of the custom ones.
  • SomeSortSomeSort Member Posts: 761
    pabrams said:

    @SomeSort Wait, how do you get Time Stop on a Wizard Slayer / Swashbuckler?

    Sorry, lack of clarity on my part. "Time Stop and Spike Traps" was intended as "(Time Stop and Spike) Traps" and supposed to read as "Time Stop Traps and Spike Traps".
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 2,818
    Blades, full stop. Really bards are stupid overpowered.
    I was never a fan of dual classes myself, much preferring multis, but they can be incredibly powerful, trading mid game usefullness for late game win buttons. The most overpowered build I ever did was probably my EEKeepered half orc Kensai/mage multiclass. Good times.
    Aerakar
  • GallengerGallenger Member Posts: 315
    I played a Fighter/Mage multi recently - of the melee using variety. Although I was able to clear ToB, it got *a lot* harder than I expected it to, given how face-roll awesome the character had been for so long. I suppose that's the power creep of the multi finally falling off lol. The main issue is I just didn't have enough 2nd and 4th level slots to keep refilling when my stoneskin/mirror images wore off, and my stupid huge AC didn't really matter anymore in melee - so once my gimmicks ran out I was up a creek.

    I would also say a single class wild mage is *extremely* powerful late game and even earlier game if you play your cards right due to your ability to memorize any spell you want in a first level slot and have a *reasonable* chance of it not ending in disaster - and when it does you get a good laugh.

    I still went through the entire game and never saw a flaming cow :(

    -----

    Whenever threads like this come up I'm taken back to Heat.net when the game first came out - I remember there were *so* many advocates stating that the very best class in the game (and mind you all multi's or duals were bad) was Ranger (granted ranged weapons rock in BG). If you said anything else you would get shouted down for being a dummy. It's funny how thinking has changed about the game - since ranger now (and pretty much only 1-2 years after release) is regarded as a middling to low powered option.
    ThacoBellAerakarsemiticgod
  • tbone1tbone1 Member Posts: 762
    edited April 18
    One of my favorite characters was a cavalier who could wield Carsomyr or dual the Flail of the ages with Crom Fayr. I took Aerie along as my Damsel in Distress (or maybe Datdress, the one with the blue sequins) and Imoen out of honor & integrity. I should have named him The Tick and recorded Patrick Warburton roles for the voiceovers.
    AerakarMerrepi
  • BorekBorek Member Posts: 110
    A lot depends on which mods, if any, you run and what your preferred playstyle is. I usually play solo, just taking NPC's to do their quests then dismissing them, so that limits the class choices somewhat since it's extremely painful without thief skills at several points. Also being solo whatever i play is essentially making 6x the XP compared to a full group resulting in single class and many dual/multi options becoming way over-leveled at the end of SoA even with XP cap removed.

    FMT is probably the easiest option, even if you do every side quest you should only just reach the level 50 cap by the very end of ToB. I had a lotta fun with a 36 Wizard Slayer dualled to Thief, took forever to unlock 1st class, but by the time i did i was basically running 120%+ Magic resistance whilst greater whirlwinding with +6 Carsomyr and had the option to use scrolls for additional potency, not that it was really needed, pretty much invincible.

    Tried a FMC and had great fun, lower resistance and harm is a truly OP combination haha.

    As for gear then anything Wizardy definitely needs robe of Vecna, amulet of power also well worth it, you really can't beat that cast time reduction, beyond useful, so easy to get spells disrupted w/o it. Also highly recommend using the Shadow Thieves Merchant to sell and buy-back (or steal) a variety of wands, so you get them with either 50 or 100 charges depending on type, means you can go nuts with cloudkill, Fear, Sleep, Paralysis and fireball/Scorcher without needing to memorize spells to do any of that, as long as you leave 1 charge left you can just recharge by selling and re-buying/stealing.

    Daystar is probably the most obscene weapon for the early game, you can get it immediately after leaving Irenicus' Dungeon, just need a Thief to pick the lock, grab it and leave, the Lich will waste time pre-buffing and you can just return later since he won't leave his broom cupboard.

    Celestial Fury is ludicrous if you can get it, but it's a really tough fight, very few enemies are immune to stun and if you put it on a high APR fighter it can trivialize many encounters.

    But by far my favourite weapon is the Staff of the Magi, unless you are fighting one of the few enemies that sees through invisibility or someone casts true sight you can literally mow through entire encounters doing cheesy hit once (dispelling magic at the same time) then going invisible, repeating until everything is dead. It even strikes as a +5 weapon and gives +2 AC when equipped, although the damage is not that amazing. Again like Celestial Fury it is a hard encounter to get it, but with some careful positioning and preparation it's far from impossible at mid-levels.
  • blackchimesblackchimes Member Posts: 323
    So far down the thread and no mention of Berserker/Cleric...

    Even Berserker on his own is pretty ridiculous. The largest threat to a Fighter are disabling spells and effects(damage can just be tanked) and Enrage makes you immune to almost all of them at the press of a button. Especially important for the main character, when Charm or Maze simply ends the game. The actual fighting bonuses are kind of secondary to this.

    Combine it with a Cleric since they can cast in heavy armor and cover whatever Enrage doesn't with spells. Blunt weapon limitation? Bludgeoning damage is best in the games in general, and warhammers are great both in BG and BG2/ToB. +4/5/6 Wisdom you normally don't know what to do with becomes a fantastic bonus for a Cleric because it gives you extra spell slots. And even if you do run out of spells, well... you are still at least a level 13 Berserker in full plate.
  • ArunsunArunsun Member Posts: 1,293
    Blackguards used to be the class I prefered. With the possibility to reach 85% DR and that stupid pre-nerf poison weapon they really were awesome. And once in ToB when you could get a few arrows of detonation, that, gesen bow helm of Vhailor would allow you to wipe entire group of enemies in a couple of seconds.

    Assassin/clerics are rather awesome with the Harm/Poison Weapon combo that allows them to instakill anything. And much like blackguards they were dope with Energy Blade/ Poison weapon before poison weapon was nerfed.

    But really, the most feel-good character I've ever played was the Berserker/Mage. Really it was all about using Protection from Abjuration, Protection from Energy (or whatever the level 8 spell that protects you from everything except physical damage by 75%) Stoneskin Mirror image and Rage and renewing the last three when needed. The rest is pure right click the right enemy and you win. I like that dual even more than Kensai/mage because Kensai/Mage could fall for a timely dispel/Pierce-magic etc...+some control against multiple enemy casters. The berserker had his rage
  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 277

    So far down the thread and no mention of Berserker/Cleric...

    Even Berserker on his own is pretty ridiculous. The largest threat to a Fighter are disabling spells and effects(damage can just be tanked) and Enrage makes you immune to almost all of them at the press of a button. Especially important for the main character, when Charm or Maze simply ends the game. The actual fighting bonuses are kind of secondary to this.

    Wait, I thought only Imprisonment ended the game? I KNOW I've sent my protagonist to go solo-hunt critters that charm and just take it. I don't recall what happens when Mazed though.
  • AmmarAmmar Member Posts: 403

    So far down the thread and no mention of Berserker/Cleric...

    Even Berserker on his own is pretty ridiculous. The largest threat to a Fighter are disabling spells and effects(damage can just be tanked) and Enrage makes you immune to almost all of them at the press of a button. Especially important for the main character, when Charm or Maze simply ends the game. The actual fighting bonuses are kind of secondary to this.

    Wait, I thought only Imprisonment ended the game? I KNOW I've sent my protagonist to go solo-hunt critters that charm and just take it. I don't recall what happens when Mazed though.
    Imprisonment on the protagonist always end up the game. Charm and Maze end the game if the protagonist is solo - or generally speaking if you have no characters to control you lose (e.g. your entire party being charmed).

    There are mods that change imprisonment to a permanent maze effect, which avoids this issue and also some other (imprisonment kicks victims out of the party, which can cause issue with romances or characters with permanent invisibility).
    SomeSortsemiticgod
  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 277
    Ammar said:

    So far down the thread and no mention of Berserker/Cleric...

    Even Berserker on his own is pretty ridiculous. The largest threat to a Fighter are disabling spells and effects(damage can just be tanked) and Enrage makes you immune to almost all of them at the press of a button. Especially important for the main character, when Charm or Maze simply ends the game. The actual fighting bonuses are kind of secondary to this.

    Wait, I thought only Imprisonment ended the game? I KNOW I've sent my protagonist to go solo-hunt critters that charm and just take it. I don't recall what happens when Mazed though.
    Imprisonment on the protagonist always end up the game. Charm and Maze end the game if the protagonist is solo - or generally speaking if you have no characters to control you lose (e.g. your entire party being charmed).

    There are mods that change imprisonment to a permanent maze effect, which avoids this issue and also some other (imprisonment kicks victims out of the party, which can cause issue with romances or characters with permanent invisibility).
    Ah, ok, I don't solo. It just seems like blasphemy to have bunches and bunches of NPCs and...not take them.
    GreenWarlockThacoBell
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