No, there's no specific AI script needed for the kit. It's only when your PC changes Wisdom when you need to briefly enable AI so that the script can apply the updated Wisdom bonus/penalties.
There's also a 9th level spell that keeps a counter which relies on the AI being active, but you should be able to keep the AI disabled until you reach the conditions, enable the AI to get the bonus, then turn it back off again without any issues.
Thanks! I'll keep all my scripts on none (I micro manage anyway) and keep the AI on so I don't forget.
P.S. The more I play the kit, the more I like it. I am 8th level now and like the Shadow summons. I find this kit almost addicting.
In fact, I am so into this, I am considering digging through my books for the one that had the Shadow Adept in there for what I think was the first time (between the 2.0 and 3.0 releases they came out with some updates). Then I can post some suggestions from it.
Overall, I think this kit is pretty balanced. Sure you are quite strong against non-undead and non-cold immune enemies, but you are specialized and lack the diversity of a mage or specialist mage. I had to add a 5th character to my party to get the buffs and support spells the SA doesn't have.
@Necromanx2 It really does give new flavor to arcane use, and as you have noticed, makes on look up different approaches to old solutions. Course we still have all wand use. I think Viccy is a nice pair or a SA as well,since they both revere Shar, so a little more undead help here as well. And yeah, the shadows are just plain wreckers.
Be nice to add a special dagger or staff, Shadow Weave related like the Night Club in BG was. Maybe just a little power added SA specific and SA use only of course.
I could imagine some serious stronghold ideas as well, I mean just a plain little planar sphere just doesn't seem to stand up to this guys awesomeness. Needs someplace cool, maybe in the plane of Shadow, requiring shadow step to gain entrance.
The summon Shadow spell (4th level) description says that it lasts for 8hrs and summons Shadow fiends at 9th level. I am 8th level and I am summoning Shadow Fiends. Also, I summoned, fought a battle, and rested and I still have them with me. So the spell is lasting longer than 8hrs.
Note that I really like what was done. The casting animation, the spell looks (the hold spell and stone skin versions are cool).
I installed this on BG2EE and started a new game. After Irenicus leaves in the openning scene and Imoen comes to open my cage, she loses her path and goes the wrong way and gets stuck. The game is stuck with her trying to get to my cage and she never opens the cage to start her dialog with me. I tried to start a few new games all with the same result. When I uninstall this mod all is well and she comes and opens the cage with no issues.
I wanted to give a comment on the 7th level spell Shadow Gate. It seems pretty weak compared to equivalent wizard and cleric summons. I think the 4th level Summon Shadow is better as you know what you will get and they last 8hrs and not 1 turn. If the summons only last a turn, it would be better if they were more powerfull. The idea of using a 7th level slot and maybe get 8 shadow fiends (or less) that are all gone by the 18th round bothers me.
OK, Imoen talks to me, but I don't get shadow magic. I keep the mage spells I selected at character creation.
Edit: OK, if I don't immediately pause when Imoen is done talking it works. Pausing and saving seems to break the setup of shadow magic. Oh well, I will break my habit of pausing and saving.
Updated, kinda. This time I didn't touch the original mod. But I took my old Shadow Monk kit and reworked it to make use of the stuff I had here, so it's now an optional component of the Shadow Magic mod as a whole.
Looks like a MUCH better version of the Order of the Dark Moon monks that serve Shar exclusively, especially given the idea that they tap into the Shadow Weave. I was starting to think they need limitations on use of SW magic, but given they are a special order of Shar's church, the round it takes to cast it, a monk's self discipline and devotion, plus the fact that you mentioned they are channeling it, fits well enough to not have the same issues the SA does. Nice.
@Artemius_I , Wanted to let you know that the Summon Shadows spells come like so: 7th - Shadows 8th - Shadow Fiends 11th - Wraiths 14th - Devil Shade + Wraiths
So they summons are coming earlier then the spell description says.
Cannot reproduce. The game files have the summon tiers set to the correct levels as far as I can tell. It's possible you have some sort of effect on your PC that is boosting their effective caster level.
Just want to clarify - is your Wisdom stat higher than 18? There is a passive bonus to caster level for 19+ Wisdom. This is probably my fault for not making it clear but the bonuses are as the following:
1 WIS = -5 casting time penalty, -50% spell duration
2 WIS = -5 casting time penalty, -45% spell duration
3 WIS = -4 casting time penalty, -40% spell duration
4 WIS = -4 casting time penalty, -35% spell duration
5 WIS = -3 casting time penalty, -30% spell duration
6 WIS = -3 casting time penalty, -20% spell duration
7 WIS = -2 casting time penalty, -10% spell duration
8 WIS = -1 casting time penalty, -10% spell duration
9-16 WIS = nothing
17 WIS = +5% spell duration
18 WIS = +10% spell duration
19 WIS = +1 caster level, +10% spell duration
20 WIS = +1 caster level, +15% spell duration
21 WIS = +2 caster level, +15% spell duration
22 WIS = +2 caster level, +20% spell duration
23 WIS = +3 caster level, +20% spell duration
24 WIS = +3 caster level, +25% spell duration
25 WIS = +4 caster level, +25% spell duration
I don't find the kit to be over powered. Especially since I may only cast 2 spells every 3 rounds given the temp con reduction (I don't have max con and even if I did you can still only get two 7th level spells off and you take a big HP hit in addition to having to wait for con to recover). May I add that this is a great touch!
So some individual spells are quite powerful, the overall variety of spells are less (I find I need another Mage type for BGEE and BG2EE to have all the spells I feel I need). Add the lack of XP for scribing spells and all the power does come at quite a cost.
@Artemius_I , I wanted to ask you a question. I know this is not related to this mod, but maybe you know how to address this.
Is it possible to make the Summon Shadows creatures immune to web, entangle, and poison? It seems so weird that non-corporeal undead are affected by those types of effects.
@Artemius_I , I wanted to ask you a question. I know this is not related to this mod, but maybe you know how to address this.
Is it possible to make the Summon Shadows creatures immune to web, entangle, and poison? It seems so weird that non-corporeal undead are affected by those types of effects.
I based the shadows off vanilla creature files, so it's original behavior... that said it's a bit weird that they're vulnerable to those effects. I might consider adding some immunities because I agree it doesn't make sense.
A couple things getting changed in the next update (I was going to update just now but a few issues came up that I don't have the time to fix):
I managed to make the Shadeskin effect vanish once all skins are depleted. So that 10% persistent damage resistance is gone. It now provides a small amount of elemental resistance so long as the skins are up and, for dual and multi-classes, grants a +50% bonus to stealth. It also looks a lot nicer now.
An item is added to the game which will add the kit to a generalist mage who uses it, so you can have a dual-class shadow adept that advances as a shadow adept, or a multi-class shadow adept (though there's the HLA issue which I'm working around)
Adding three new spells:
Mesmerize (1st level): Inflicts a medium-duration feeblemind on the target, save vs. spells at -4, breaks upon being hit.
Cursed Earth (3rd level): Creates a grease-like effect in an area, slowing movement rate and dealing poison damage to targets standing in it.
Void Blast (5th level): Deals magic damage to a single target. On a failed save vs. spells at -2, target is banished (mazed) for a short duration and briefly stunned when they return.
The updates are great! Just wondering for the item that adds the SA kit to a mage, how will the extra spell per level work? Some mods that add kits have issues with the bonus spell.
SHOULD SAdepts be able to dual class? I am just asking as all classes are not allowed to dual, usually ones that are particularly devoted to a first class. If a SA was trying to dual to something antithetical to the strong focus it takes to use the Shadow Weave, divide their time and attention to another class (which is part of the dual class idea) and have the permission/connection to Shar, seems like that maybe they might not aught to be able to dual.
Arte, you may have different views so this is just me putting my thoughts in and asking the question.
One thing I find fascinating about this class is that it does not operate like all the rest, requires different solutions to particular situations, and has a mage like connection to a deity restricted sphere of magic(well, as I see it anyway)
There is a reason why the shadow adept requires two (three before I removed Constitution) stats as a prerequisite for dual-class. I think it should be possible because it makes character builds more interesting. But I also think it shouldn't be easy.
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No, there's no specific AI script needed for the kit. It's only when your PC changes Wisdom when you need to briefly enable AI so that the script can apply the updated Wisdom bonus/penalties.
There's also a 9th level spell that keeps a counter which relies on the AI being active, but you should be able to keep the AI disabled until you reach the conditions, enable the AI to get the bonus, then turn it back off again without any issues.
P.S. The more I play the kit, the more I like it. I am 8th level now and like the Shadow summons. I find this kit almost addicting.
In fact, I am so into this, I am considering digging through my books for the one that had the Shadow Adept in there for what I think was the first time (between the 2.0 and 3.0 releases they came out with some updates). Then I can post some suggestions from it.
Overall, I think this kit is pretty balanced. Sure you are quite strong against non-undead and non-cold immune enemies, but you are specialized and lack the diversity of a mage or specialist mage. I had to add a 5th character to my party to get the buffs and support spells the SA doesn't have.
And yeah, the shadows are just plain wreckers.
Be nice to add a special dagger or staff, Shadow Weave related like the Night Club in BG was. Maybe just a little power added SA specific and SA use only of course.
I could imagine some serious stronghold ideas as well, I mean just a plain little planar sphere just doesn't seem to stand up to this guys awesomeness. Needs someplace cool, maybe in the plane of Shadow, requiring shadow step to gain entrance.
Ragardless though, quite refreshing.
Note that I really like what was done. The casting animation, the spell looks (the hold spell and stone skin versions are cool).
Great work!
I installed this on BG2EE and started a new game. After Irenicus leaves in the openning scene and Imoen comes to open my cage, she loses her path and goes the wrong way and gets stuck. The game is stuck with her trying to get to my cage and she never opens the cage to start her dialog with me. I tried to start a few new games all with the same result. When I uninstall this mod all is well and she comes and opens the cage with no issues.
Yeah, can reproduce. It's the invisible creature which initiates the spell selection dialog. I'll have a fix for it up soon.
I have shifted the Shadow Gate summon probabilities to the following:
- 40% Shadow Fiend
- 40% Wraith
- 10% Devil Shade
- 5% Nightwalker
- 5% Nothing
I think I'm comfortable with these new odds given that compared to Summon Shadow, this spell:- Summons creatures without needing you to take an action
- Summons 2.66x the amount of creatures
- Has a chance to summon an HLA creature
- Can use the portal to draw aggro
The update will be ready in a bit.Edit: OK, if I don't immediately pause when Imoen is done talking it works. Pausing and saving seems to break the setup of shadow magic. Oh well, I will break my habit of pausing and saving.
Thanks for this great mod!
Nice.
7th - Shadows
8th - Shadow Fiends
11th - Wraiths
14th - Devil Shade + Wraiths
So they summons are coming earlier then the spell description says.
Cannot reproduce. The game files have the summon tiers set to the correct levels as far as I can tell. It's possible you have some sort of effect on your PC that is boosting their effective caster level.
Just want to clarify - is your Wisdom stat higher than 18? There is a passive bonus to caster level for 19+ Wisdom. This is probably my fault for not making it clear but the bonuses are as the following:
In BG2EE
14th level
I don't find the kit to be over powered. Especially since I may only cast 2 spells every 3 rounds given the temp con reduction (I don't have max con and even if I did you can still only get two 7th level spells off and you take a big HP hit in addition to having to wait for con to recover). May I add that this is a great touch!
So some individual spells are quite powerful, the overall variety of spells are less (I find I need another Mage type for BGEE and BG2EE to have all the spells I feel I need). Add the lack of XP for scribing spells and all the power does come at quite a cost.
Great work!
Is it possible to make the Summon Shadows creatures immune to web, entangle, and poison? It seems so weird that non-corporeal undead are affected by those types of effects.
Will be fixed in the imminent update
Arte, you may have different views so this is just me putting my thoughts in and asking the question.
One thing I find fascinating about this class is that it does not operate like all the rest, requires different solutions to particular situations, and has a mage like connection to a deity restricted sphere of magic(well, as I see it anyway)
There is a reason why the shadow adept requires two (three before I removed Constitution) stats as a prerequisite for dual-class. I think it should be possible because it makes character builds more interesting. But I also think it shouldn't be easy.