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Do halflings get +1 THAC0 *and* +1 damage with a sling?

Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
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I just read somewhere (here: http://www.pocketplane.net/volothamp/chap4c.htm) there that halflings get +1 THAC0 *and* +1 Damage bonuses when using slings, but I thought it was just +1 THAC0 like elves with bows and swords, could someone confirm which is correct? Thanks
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  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    I don't think they get a sling bonus in BG unfortunately. It would make them a little too good tbh, shorty saves, best thieves, and now best slinger clerics too?
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    edited November 2012
    @Mungri - They most definitely get a +1 THAC0 sling bonus in BG2 and BGT/Tutu, I've tested this. An evil halfling cleric of Talos is a thing to behold! :-)

    Its just the +1 damage I'm not sure about, not so easy to test
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    There's another undocumented thing about the game then :)
  • TanthalasTanthalas Member Posts: 6,738
    I'm pretty sure that, like elves, they only get +1 THAC0.
  • JaxsbudgieJaxsbudgie Member Posts: 600
    Shouldn't be too difficult to test, in theory they should get a minimum damage of 2, right?
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Mungri said:

    I don't think they get a sling bonus in BG unfortunately. It would make them a little too good tbh, shorty saves, best thieves, and now best slinger clerics too?

    1. Yes they do.
    2. They take a hit to their Wisdom score so I'd say it's fair; it keeps them from being hands-down the best clerics.
  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376
    Jaxsbudgie said:

    Shouldn't be too difficult to test, in theory they should get a minimum damage of 2, right?

    Just tested it with BGT. The test halfling used a sling which is a base 1d4+1 damage so a 2 indicates there is no damage bonus and a 6 indicates there is a damage bonus. "Test" range up a 2 on one of the tutors so I am calling it as a "no damage bonus."

  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    AHF said:


    Just tested it with BGT. The test halfling used a sling which is a base 1d4+1 damage so a 2 indicates there is no damage bonus and a 6 indicates there is a damage bonus. "Test" range up a 2 on one of the tutors so I am calling it as a "no damage bonus."

    Thanks for testing! So looks like they only get the THAC0 bonus
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Quartz said:

    Mungri said:

    I don't think they get a sling bonus in BG unfortunately. It would make them a little too good tbh, shorty saves, best thieves, and now best slinger clerics too?

    1. Yes they do.
    2. They take a hit to their Wisdom score so I'd say it's fair; it keeps them from being hands-down the best clerics.
    Halfling Clerics rock, what with their great saving throw bonuses, high dex and sling bonus. The limit of 17 starting Wis isn't that much of an issue, given the number of Wisdom-boosting tomes in BG
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    In Pen and Paper, they only get the +1 to THAC0. So, that's all they *should* get.
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Oxford_Guy said:

    Quartz said:

    Mungri said:

    I don't think they get a sling bonus in BG unfortunately. It would make them a little too good tbh, shorty saves, best thieves, and now best slinger clerics too?

    1. Yes they do.
    2. They take a hit to their Wisdom score so I'd say it's fair; it keeps them from being hands-down the best clerics.
    Halfling Clerics rock, what with their great saving throw bonuses, high dex and sling bonus. The limit of 17 starting Wis isn't that much of an issue, given the number of Wisdom-boosting tomes in BG
    Yeah I'm with you, but notice how no one mentions it. It's a little-known fact for some strange reason.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Halflings are underrated, they even get most of the romance options in BG2
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    edited November 2012
    Oxford_Guy said:

    Halflings are underrated, they even get most of the romance options in BG2

    First clause: Agreed!
    Second clause: Ummmmmm ... no they don't. Humans and half-elves do. You crazy.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Quartz said:

    Oxford_Guy said:

    Halflings are underrated, they even get most of the romance options in BG2

    First clause: Agreed!
    Second clause: Ummmmmm ... no they don't. Humans and half-elves do. You crazy.
    I've been misinformed by various guides, then :-(

  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376
    Quartz said:

    Oxford_Guy said:

    Halflings are underrated, they even get most of the romance options in BG2

    First clause: Agreed!
    Second clause: Ummmmmm ... no they don't. Humans and half-elves do. You crazy.
    I think you are off on this one. Halflings' don't get any romance options in the BG1 NPC Project but they do in the BG2 standard romances.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    This guide suggests halflings have a number of romance options, though I've only used halflings myself in BG1, so can't confirm: http://www.mombu.com/games/baldurs-gates/t-does-viconias-romance-only-start-with-humans-1289617.html
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    edited November 2012
    You guys are forgetting the fourth romance option, Anomen. Thus "they even get most of the romance options in BG2" is false ... that was my point with humans and half-elves. Sorry for not being more specific. Regardless I was aware of Jaheira, wasn't sure whether they were playas with Viconia and Aerie though. I KNEW they didn't romance Anomen.
  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012
    Quartz said:

    You guys are forgetting the fourth romance option, Anomen. Thus "they even get most of the romance options in BG2" is false ... that was my point with humans and half-elves. Sorry for not being more specific. Regardless I was aware of Jaheira, wasn't sure whether they were playas with Viconia and Aerie though. I KNEW they didn't romance Anomen.

    Elves can't romance Viconia which puts them in the same 75% category as halflings -- i.e., most of the options. Humans and half-elves don't get most of the options - they get all of them. Gnomes and half-orcs are the most limited range (since dwarves are totally fubar'ed and have zero range).

    If I was put in charge, I would probably make the only racial restrictions ones that made sense for role-playing purposes like Viconia growing up with a hatred of surface elves. Why is romance available for halfling men but not women or halflings but not dwarves...it doesn't seem to add to the game narrative.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Quartz said:

    You guys are forgetting the fourth romance option, Anomen.

    I was trying to...
    Quartz said:


    Thus "they even get most of the romance options in BG2" is false ...

    Why? I said "most", not "all", all but one sounds like "most" to me ;-)
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    edited November 2012
    Okay OKAY I MIS-READ!! There is so little difference between "most of" and "the most," I'm fucking human now can we shut up?
  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012
    Quartz said:

    Okay OKAY I MIS-READ!! There is so little difference between "most of" and "the most," I'm fucking human now can we shut up?

    You crazy!

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  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    AHF said:

    Quartz said:

    Okay OKAY I MIS-READ!! There is so little difference between "most of" and "the most," I'm fucking human now can we shut up?

    You crazy!
    image
  • AHFAHF Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012
    Is playing the world's smallest violin with a halfling even smaller than for a human?

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  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Are we done now? :-)
  • aldainaldain Member Posts: 325
    Not that it's completely ontopic, but I'll add my voice to the chorus praising halfling clerics. -1 Wisdom isn't a huge deal, they're absolutely awesome with a sling, and saving throws that go through the roof... definitely one of my favourite characters.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    @AHF In the Dark Sun world, Halfings are cannibals. :)
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    Can halflings be multiclass fighter / clerics?

    Install grandmastery mods, put 5 points in slings.
  • moody_magemoody_mage Member Posts: 2,054
    Don't think so. If I remember correctly they can be Fighters, Thieves, Clerics or Fighter/Thieves. The -1 to STR has always put me off a bit when it comes to making melee builds, especially early game.
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    Hmmm, so making a halfling fighter slinger will always be inferior to archers. The bonus is pretty much wasted for halfling fighters or rogues because they can use much better weapons.
  • HaHaCharadeHaHaCharade Member Posts: 1,644
    This guy should voice a halfling. But don't call him Johnson.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoYsfbq3vMc
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