10 % more XP in BGIIEE

MrSexton

I asked a question about if BGIIEE had changed as you received more XP from SOD but that was not the case. However, somebody mentioned that the 10 % bonus from the original BG2 game had been taken away.
How did that work???
/J

Khyron

I have never heard of such a thing.

ThacoBell

It was an undocumented quirk that invisibly increased all xp you gained across the game to be increased by 10%

sarevok57

ThacoBell said:

It was an undocumented quirk that invisibly increased all xp you gained across the game to be increased by 10%

close, all XP gained from scribing scrolls, disarming traps, opening locks and kills from monsters gave a 10% boost, quest XP on the other hand did not ( go figure )

back in the early days of the EEs where only a certain amount of people were allowed on these forums ( before the forums were officially open to the public ) i was one of the lucky early ones to come in, and help talk about some of the bugs that the BG series had, and the 2 i remember helping tell the team to fix was that basilisks made you save vs death instead of save vs petrify in the original, so they changed it over to petrify instead, and that in bg2 you gained that silly +10% XP thing which really made no sense ( rumor has it that it was "implemented" for a reason, something to do on the lines that you were a bhaalspawn or some such, but the case was so weak and didnt really make sense ) so it was taken out

Raduziel

The PnP has a +10% XP bonus rule:

Player's Handbook said:

Prime Requisite is the ability score or scores that are most important to a particular class. A fighter must be strong and a wizard must be intelligent; their prime requisites, therefore, are Strength and Intelligence, respectively. Some character classes have more than one prime requisite. Any character who has a score of 16 or more in all his prime requisites gains a 10% bonus to his experience point awards.

I think that with the "reroll" feature, the original developers thought that everyone would achieve 16+ in their prime stats, so they implemented it without any check (that I'm aware of).

Too bad EE removed it. The correct thing, accordingly to PnP, would be:

i) implement a stat check

ii) include the bonus on quest's XP.

sarevok57

but here's the thing, it was never implemented in BG1 vanilla, only in BG2, so why start it in SoA?

Raduziel

sarevok57 said:

but here's the thing, it was never implemented in BG1 vanilla, only in BG2, so why start it in SoA?

Lots of things were implanted only in BG2.

ThacoBell

BG strays pretty far from PnP. Its kinda pointless to point to PnP as some kind of gold standard.

tbone1

Raduziel said:

sarevok57 said:

but here's the thing, it was never implemented in BG1 vanilla, only in BG2, so why start it in SoA?

Lots of things were implanted only in BG2.

Monks, barbarians, half orcs, kits, proficiencies by weapon instead of weapon class, turnip bedroom toys, ...

Wait, did I type that out loud?

Balrog99

ThacoBell said:

BG strays pretty far from PnP. Its kinda pointless to point to PnP as some kind of gold standard.

I think the bonus 10% for high ability scores was mentioned in the manual (BG,BG2 or both). I may be misrembering though. If it was mentioned in the manual(s) then @Raduziel has a good point.

sarevok57

Balrog99 said:

ThacoBell said:

BG strays pretty far from PnP. Its kinda pointless to point to PnP as some kind of gold standard.

I think the bonus 10% for high ability scores was mentioned in the manual (BG,BG2 or both). I may be misrembering though. If it was mentioned in the manual(s) then @Raduziel has a good point.

i remember reading both manuals back in the day, and there was never any mention of a 10% bonus, when my stuff gets out of storage i will read them again to see if it's there but im thinking it wont be

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mlnevese

PnP had a lot of extra XP rules that never made it to BG. The individual XP bonuses each class received, a Fighter class character would receive extra XP/HD of a creature defeated, besides the XP of the creature itself, for instance, never made the transition.

Now I don't think it would translate well in a XP rich campaign such as BG but in some PnP campaigns it could be the difference between being level 1 for a year real life and reaching the next level in just a few months of play...

The extra XP for high stats could be added as an optional rule but as an always on feature it just accelerates even more the rapid pace of level ups in BG II.

Torgrimmer

mlnevese said:

PnP had a lot of extra XP rules that never made it to BG. The individual XP bonuses each class received, a Fighter class character would receive extra XP/HD of a creature defeated, besides the XP of the creature itself, for instance, never made the transition.

Now I don't think it would translate well in a XP rich campaign such as BG but in some PnP campaigns it could be the difference between being level 1 for a year real life and reaching the next level in just a few months of play...

The extra XP for high stats could be added as an optional rule but as an always on feature it just accelerates even more the rapid pace of level ups in BG II.

Well put

Balrog99

I'm starting to wonder if it was Temple of Elemental Evil that mentioned the bonus %10 xp for high stats. I know I saw it somewhere...

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Yulaw9460

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tbone1

Balrog99 said:

I'm starting to wonder if it was Temple of Elemental Evil that mentioned the bonus %10 xp for high stats. I know I saw it somewhere...

I seem to remember that it was in the Player’s Handbook for v1; not sure, and can’t be bothered to look it up

Grond0

It's in the 2nd edition Player's Handbook in a number of places, e.g. under ability scores it says:
"Prime Requisite is the ability score or scores that are most important to a particular
class. A fighter must be strong and a wizard must be intelligent; their prime requisites,
therefore, are Strength and Intelligence, respectively. Some character classes have more
than one prime requisite. Any character who has a score of 16 or more in all his prime
requisites gains a 10% bonus to his experience point awards."