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  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Facebook news time.

    Alyssa Milano Won’t Speak At Next Women’s March Till Leaders Denounce Anti-Semitism
    https://forward.com/schmooze/413814/alyssa-milano-wont-speak-at-next-womens-march-till-leaders-denounce-anti/

    Donald Trump Dragged For Skipping WWI Cemetery Visit Due To Rain

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wwi-cemetery-rain_us_5be71350e4b0e843889865eb?utm_source=politics_fb&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&section=politics&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&fbclid=IwAR0bU94iKhgSIb0wEHc6KDWRvOFHGZHOwpRsj9I0bbNDTxfA66q6cSFDYKg

    CORRECTIONS Year-old video of Justin Trudeau removing his umbrella at a war memorial frames him as the antithesis to Trump

    http://deadstate.org/justin-trudeau-removes-his-umbrella-at-wwi-commemoration-and-offers-himself-as-the-antithesis-to-trump/?fbclid=IwAR1FMx0lv7losbx0ip6utb6wtSTQzRJNspGVSgYj9pRsniFe6t3CchEP-dI

    Trump, Putin to meet at a working lunch in Paris on Nov. 11: Kremlin

    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1NC1SF?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3DzUE_PelQwUZDnJlNbMb-SsHTyZc1xUWZBmniE3lTtagdfjPxBdVm4MI

    No allegations of criminal activity in Florida election, law enforcement says

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/09/politics/florida-election-no-allegation-of-criminal-activity/index.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3BCor6W6oF6miM8zAMoKInWB9dGQ7-kZyYoCDj8YvxdoBAnbevkxTLMQ4
    What a surprise!

    Is Teen Vogue turning Karl Marx into its next teen idol?

    Fox News, natch.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/is-teen-vogue-turning-karl-marx-into-its-next-teen-idol

    Trump's trade war took a stunning bite out of the US economy, and it's the strongest evidence yet that he's shooting himself in the foot

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gdp-trump-tariff-trade-war-us-china-2018-10?fbclid=IwAR1yXyQMgsTd2-aJxbNKGsQ70u5GfblY8n93sjAwX9JnuToqOslVX5TccNY

    Gender Variance Around the World Over Time

    https://www.teenvogue.com/story/gender-variance-around-the-world?mbid=partner_facebook_attn&fbclid=IwAR1prMzVAYXJrKnBenzt06sr06ngYZExihCRSUJnY-UhO1M2R4P0da7E0Es&verso=true

    Colbert Reveals Just How Little Coverage Fox News Gives To Caravan Post-Election

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-colbert-fox-news-friends-caravan_us_5be6882ce4b0769d24cd7f34?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_source=politics_fb&section=politics&fbclid=IwAR2BALqkm-MPFw29OBP9V2bfj3IIF1G_jXYcxRhaAUUiN3W5JGdaRDuI1eU
    Yet another big surprise...

    No border wall on church property

    The Trump administration is attempting to seize property from a Catholic Diocese in Texas to build Trump’s border wall - and the local bishop is fighting back.
    https://act.faithfulamerica.org/sign/border-wall-church-property?akid=s92222..BTKY0G&fbclid=IwAR2pVjGKodGdGtKSNxRPwqHDnlCr4Y0IjgQ7QPedMmFKo9LLU4IrFuVqFo8

    Why Do So Many Homeless Refuse to Stay in Overnight Shelters?

    https://www.westword.com/news/reasons-why-denvers-homeless-sleep-outside-and-not-in-overnight-shelters-10987893?fbclid=IwAR1yd1RFwbdHiov6rhmirAFpV0YxgI2UXLBYge9CGV7G-QZ2famW2R3__iY

    Winston Churchill’s grandson scorches Trump for skipping US military cemetery visit due to bad weather: ‘Pathetic’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/winston-churchills-grandson-scorches-trump-skipping-us-military-cemetery-visit-due-bad-weather-pathetic/?fbclid=IwAR1wMyICYZTeCajOUjGEM1oZ3oshtavti_7U0DRXWS3YfjJ5zxHRKuOSrtE
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694

    Christine Blasey Ford has a security detail because she still receives threats

    https://www.vox.com/2018/11/8/18076154/christine-blasey-ford-threats-kavanaugh-gofundme?fbclid=IwAR24g8EImWTSpcAsbqIPKgMEM7wkq5l5GvXST1KpZLskqPjLM00RD3kGWEc

    Talal Derki’s Syria Documentary Of Fathers and Sons Has Marked Him for Death

    https://www.vulture.com/2018/11/talal-derki-of-fathers-and-sons-syria.html?fbclid=IwAR33zL_Q-xsVFj-BdG6kTsw7Ay8YD3rsGekBXcVTO3ZYBA9ErmFIqHWL2_0

    Gangsters for Capitalism: Why the US Working Class Enlists

    http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/gangsters-for-capitalism.html?fbclid=IwAR1IX46pRP35hbw6OLUO65V9wVXhsanRS8-FoqF5SBpyc7_XkJiiEMMd0Mw#.W-i7qhpKjjE

    Julia Salazar’s Win Is a Huge Victory for Sex Workers

    https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/julia-salazar-sex-workers-rights.html?utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR0BPYk2tof3qyvw_N7vSvGTUGiLwcGvd8wdbZp7TFPpMjsrvUcChB-X6dc

    HOW MSNBC CREATED A CABLE-NEWS ADDICTION EPIDEMIC

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/how-msnbc-created-a-cable-news-addiction-epidemic?fbclid=IwAR1s5xF1GLgP_UiAttsOdXcTjNwKbCBu3yXWs3e5v4r_Ll_6qW8auR-hL0U

    Does criticism of Israel equal anti-Semitism?

    https://socialistaction.org/2018/11/10/does-criticism-of-israel-equal-anti-semitism/?fbclid=IwAR0AcVLNGnslardRCOpr5b-c6x4nDedT5n719BekvmwJEM1bM0l7l7lhXdE

    Ancient Egyptians Had A Different Set Of Zodiac Signs, Here's What Yours Means

    https://www.shared.com/ancient-egyptians-zodiac/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=fbsharebutton&utm_campaign=above_post&fbclid=IwAR23OlIL8vMMHZgs6oDa4YU0B67niy00eiLPi3nbG13u1vcr3JU97lxq5A0

    My Family Members Are Proud Puerto Ricans and Proud Trump Supporters, So We Don’t Have a Relationship

    https://fierce.wearemitu.com/relationships/heres-how-ive-coped-with-having-a-family-that-has-shunned-their-puerto-rican-roots-in-favor-of-trump/?fbclid=IwAR25kYhXe9csQQ8yJakoIuR1907Eq1QxE57u52oWnwa9ZgiTTvH1lpIgFx4

    Dozens of cat mummies found in 6,000-year-old tombs in Egypt

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/11/dozens-of-cat-mummies-found-in-6000-year-old-tombs-in-egypt?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2714A01YtdyB2FqUmG2G37f_s3Do1kYdYiA3hBtKw2Q9vEUp8npfg0eiM

    The Best Way to Honor War Veterans Is to Stop Creating Them

    https://ahtribune.com/us/2615-honor-war-veterans.html?fbclid=IwAR3GGqNmQNfnSec1BiK3Hkucb_WxlS63ploh3fXHY7HKQrNy2rs6ElSAFy0
  • Mantis37Mantis37 Member Posts: 1,177
    I think it's a little unfair to characterise the military commanders as being entirely incompetent. For example as costly as the Somme was it did place the Germans under tremendous strain. One can point to mistakes on a tactical level: corps which employed squad tactics in the style of 1918 rather than a mass rush fared best, failure to concentrate artillery rather than evenly spacing it; and on a strategic level the offensive made the mistake of continuing too long past September 15th so that the troops fought past a useful ridge and on into a valley full of Somme mud. However, as horrible as the trenches were on closer examination it is easier to find poor leadership in failures in other more open theatres such as the Dardenelles campaign. Commanders in the trench warfare often sought for breakthroughs rather than battles of attrition, and were often quite innovative in doing so, but local conditions and the technologies being employed made it hard to capitalise on any breakthroughs that were made. It takes time to adjust & successfully innovate when confronted with new tactical and strategic situations, just as our present institutions are struggling to cope with 'hybrid warfare'.

    There was a nice photo of Macron & Merkel at the centenary that can remind us how precious it is that war in Europe has become difficult to imagine. One of the successes of post WW2 history that is built on the shared rights & interests of the peoples united within the EU & its associates, just as a hard border in Ireland is regarded as a source of potential conflict.
  • Mantis37Mantis37 Member Posts: 1,177
    @LadyRhian Perhaps I am showing my lack of net reading skillz but I think you might have a better chance of sparking people's interest if you posted fewer links and commented upon them yourself rather than about 10 with no personal input. Unless other people disagree & find them useful?
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Okay. :)
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    Mantis37 said:

    @LadyRhian Perhaps I am showing my lack of net reading skillz but I think you might have a better chance of sparking people's interest if you posted fewer links and commented upon them yourself rather than about 10 with no personal input. Unless other people disagree & find them useful?

    No offense but I agree with @Mantis37. I don't mind the links but your perspective on them is what's important, not the number. I'm waiting for a conservative to reply with a bunch of clips from Fox News or the Heritage Center as a rebuttal (none so far except some from @SorcererV1ct0r that aren't usually from the US). It won't be me since I don't have the inclination or desire to take on your barrage...
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    Balrog99 general rule of thumb:
    It's going to take ideas to persuade me rather than telling me that 'x' politician is bad. If you have solid ideas that don't involve 'rich people owe us', I'm all ears. Don't lie to me and tell me that I'm going to get 'free shit'. Ideas people...
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Okay, let's talk about one of the ones I commented on:
    No allegations of criminal activity in Florida election, law enforcement says

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/09/politics/florida-election-no-allegation-of-criminal-activity/index.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3BCor6W6oF6miM8zAMoKInWB9dGQ7-kZyYoCDj8YvxdoBAnbevkxTLMQ4
    What a surprise!

    So, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is not investigating the Florida election, because the Florida Dept of State says there was no allegations of criminal activity. So when Rick Scott says that the election was stolen, he's wrong. Despite the Secretary of State is a Republican appointed by Rick Scott, even he says there is no allegation of criminal activity.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Balrog99 said:

    Mantis37 said:

    @LadyRhian Perhaps I am showing my lack of net reading skillz but I think you might have a better chance of sparking people's interest if you posted fewer links and commented upon them yourself rather than about 10 with no personal input. Unless other people disagree & find them useful?

    No offense but I agree with @Mantis37. I don't mind the links but your perspective on them is what's important, not the number. I'm waiting for a conservative to reply with a bunch of clips from Fox News or the Heritage Center as a rebuttal (none so far except some from @SorcererV1ct0r that aren't usually from the US). It won't be me since I don't have the inclination or desire to take on your barrage...
    Actually, one of the things I posted *Was* from Fox News. This one:

    Is Teen Vogue turning Karl Marx into its next teen idol?

    Fox News, natch.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/is-teen-vogue-turning-karl-marx-into-its-next-teen-idol
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    LadyRhian said:

    Okay, let's talk about one of the ones I commented on:
    No allegations of criminal activity in Florida election, law enforcement says

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/09/politics/florida-election-no-allegation-of-criminal-activity/index.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3BCor6W6oF6miM8zAMoKInWB9dGQ7-kZyYoCDj8YvxdoBAnbevkxTLMQ4
    What a surprise!

    So, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is not investigating the Florida election, because the Florida Dept of State says there was no allegations of criminal activity. So when Rick Scott says that the election was stolen, he's wrong. Despite the Secretary of State is a Republican appointed by Rick Scott, even he says there is no allegation of criminal activity.

    It is quite ridiculous that this keeps happening year after year though. Florida is fast becoming a joke! What kind of endemic incompetence is going on in Miami Dade????
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    LadyRhian said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Mantis37 said:

    @LadyRhian Perhaps I am showing my lack of net reading skillz but I think you might have a better chance of sparking people's interest if you posted fewer links and commented upon them yourself rather than about 10 with no personal input. Unless other people disagree & find them useful?

    No offense but I agree with @Mantis37. I don't mind the links but your perspective on them is what's important, not the number. I'm waiting for a conservative to reply with a bunch of clips from Fox News or the Heritage Center as a rebuttal (none so far except some from @SorcererV1ct0r that aren't usually from the US). It won't be me since I don't have the inclination or desire to take on your barrage...
    Actually, one of the things I posted *Was* from Fox News. This one:

    Is Teen Vogue turning Karl Marx into its next teen idol?

    Fox News, natch.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/is-teen-vogue-turning-karl-marx-into-its-next-teen-idol
    Sorry, that one escaped me. Kind of proves my point, though. I kinda skim your links because there's too many of them for me to keep up with!
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Balrog99 said:

    LadyRhian said:

    Okay, let's talk about one of the ones I commented on:
    No allegations of criminal activity in Florida election, law enforcement says

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/09/politics/florida-election-no-allegation-of-criminal-activity/index.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3BCor6W6oF6miM8zAMoKInWB9dGQ7-kZyYoCDj8YvxdoBAnbevkxTLMQ4
    What a surprise!

    So, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is not investigating the Florida election, because the Florida Dept of State says there was no allegations of criminal activity. So when Rick Scott says that the election was stolen, he's wrong. Despite the Secretary of State is a Republican appointed by Rick Scott, even he says there is no allegation of criminal activity.

    It is quite ridiculous that this keeps happening year after year though. Florida is fast becoming a joke! What kind of endemic incompetence is going on in Miami Dade????
    It's not so much incompetence as more people. More people vote and more votes to count. Also, having lived in Florida, they do paper ballots with the infamous "Hanging Chads". At least NJ and NY use electronic voting machines. The USA should make sure that everyone across the USA uses the same ballots to cast votes. Electronic with a paper backup.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    I have to get clarity on this. Don't all districts represent the same amount of people? Seriously, why do some take forever to count their fucking votes? Are there polling stations that have more than one district using them? I live in an 'almost' rural district so maybe I'm missing something...
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    LadyRhian said:

    Balrog99 said:

    LadyRhian said:

    Okay, let's talk about one of the ones I commented on:
    No allegations of criminal activity in Florida election, law enforcement says

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/09/politics/florida-election-no-allegation-of-criminal-activity/index.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3BCor6W6oF6miM8zAMoKInWB9dGQ7-kZyYoCDj8YvxdoBAnbevkxTLMQ4
    What a surprise!

    So, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is not investigating the Florida election, because the Florida Dept of State says there was no allegations of criminal activity. So when Rick Scott says that the election was stolen, he's wrong. Despite the Secretary of State is a Republican appointed by Rick Scott, even he says there is no allegation of criminal activity.

    It is quite ridiculous that this keeps happening year after year though. Florida is fast becoming a joke! What kind of endemic incompetence is going on in Miami Dade????
    It's not so much incompetence as more people. More people vote and more votes to count. Also, having lived in Florida, they do paper ballots with the infamous "Hanging Chads". At least NJ and NY use electronic voting machines. The USA should make sure that everyone across the USA uses the same ballots to cast votes. Electronic with a paper backup.
    Michigan uses a 'fill in the circle with ink' system. Seems to work ok without a 'paper back up'. How hard is it to check for a friggin 'hanging chad'? Like I said, it's a joke.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    No. Each is supposed to represent 711,000 people, but states and districts go up in population all the time. Florida recently got 2 new Congressional Districts, going from 25 to 27.

    The borders of those districts are set by the states, and within each state all districts are required to have approximately equal populations (see Wesberry v. Sanders).
    However, the districts are determined every 10 years, after the census. The last census was in 2010, of course.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    There is no set number for the amount of polling stations per capita then? So if I lived in Detroit I might have to go a polling station that serves 20,000 people instead of mine that might represent 2,000?
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  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    I looked it up and the average precinct is about 800 voters and the average polling station around 1200 voters. Even hand counting shouldn't be too hard of a task. I could likely count that many in about 2 to 3 hours myself. Incompetence??? Just saying...
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    edited November 2018

    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 general rule of thumb:
    It's going to take ideas to persuade me rather than telling me that 'x' politician is bad. If you have solid ideas that don't involve 'rich people owe us', I'm all ears. Don't lie to me and tell me that I'm going to get 'free shit'. Ideas people...

    This is all well and good, but I'm beyond convinced the Republican Party does not share your assessment. The reason I know this is because of the healthcare debate. The fact is, Obamacare WAS the compromise. He could have started from a European single-payer platform, but he didn't. He specifically choose the one actual idea Republicans had about healthcare in regards to universal coverage (emanating from the Heritage Foundation) and that Romney himself actually implemented when he was Governor. He didn't try to destroy for profit health insurance (though god knows we should) and the entire plan was designed to get Republican votes, because it was coming from their side of the aisle in the first place. But as soon as he started advocating it, they turned against what had been a right-wing plan from the start, simply because they wanted to hand him a defeat.

    And then we go to the attempt to repeal last year. The lack of ideas of how to replace it was the whole reason it was so irresponsible. There was no plan to replace it. There still isn't. If there is a Republican plan on healthcare that goes beyond the decade's old "health savings account" nonsense, it has yet to materialize. There are no Republican ideas on health care other than that the government shouldn't be involved. They spent the last weeks of the campaign insisting they were in favor of protecting pre-existing conditions despite voting against it and literally being party to LAWSUITS attempting to get rid of those protections in the ACA.

    Trump's current plan on healthcare is the same one it has been since the campaign. His plan is "we are going to replace Obamacare with something much better".....................and that's it. That sentence is the entire plan. Which is sort of like saying you are going to write the next great novel and stopping after you write your name on the title page and never bothering to do anything else with it.
    That's all well and good but how do you pay for it?
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    edited November 2018
    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    edited November 2018
    Wow, this is even better. If you took the entire yearly income of the top 1% of the whole world it would amount to $324/person/year. Again, this is if you confiscate THEIR ENTIRE YEARLY INCOME. This isn't calculus people. All of you can use your algebra skills to figure this out on your phones in less than 5 minutes.
  • Mantis37Mantis37 Member Posts: 1,177
    If you look at the total assets I have read that the top 1% of US households have more than the bottom 90%. Americans tend to have a lot of debt too,
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited November 2018
    Balrog99 said:

    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...

    Clearly no one is suggesting that ONLY the 1% pay taxes and have all their money confiscated. Though it's worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the Eisenhower Administration (meaning after a certain amount, that is what was paid) was over 90%, and I don't ever hear anyone running around calling Ike the second coming of Lenin. Nor does anyone ever suggest anything is "free". I have never heard a Democratic politician talk about giving away "free" stuff. I don't know where the suggestion that they do comes from. Clearly, the fact that the party is up front about believing in higher taxes than their opposition concludes that they DON'T believe it's free, or why would they even bother to try and pay for it that way?? If they thought it was free, or were even selling it as free, they would simply advocate for the programs and then NOT try and pay for them.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367
    That's not tax anymore if you're going to take their 'wealth'. That's pure theft. Taxes are on 'income'. Grab the pitchforks!
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367

    Balrog99 said:

    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...

    Clearly no one is suggesting that ONLY the 1% pay taxes and have all their money confiscated. Though it's worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the Eisenhower Administration (meaning after a certain amount, that is what was paid) was over 90%, and I don't ever hear anyone running around calling Ike the second coming of Lenin. Nor does anyone ever suggest anything is "free". I have never heard a Democratic politician talk about giving away "free" stuff. I don't know where the suggestion that they do comes from. Clearly, the fact that the party is up front about believing in higher taxes than their opposition concludes that they DON'T believe it's free, or why would they even bother to try and pay for it that way??
    Oh they pretty much preach about the 'rich' paying for everything. Their higher taxes won't pay for any of this shit without the middle class paying the lion's share but they WILL not admit that. Name one time that they have.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited November 2018
    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...

    Clearly no one is suggesting that ONLY the 1% pay taxes and have all their money confiscated. Though it's worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the Eisenhower Administration (meaning after a certain amount, that is what was paid) was over 90%, and I don't ever hear anyone running around calling Ike the second coming of Lenin. Nor does anyone ever suggest anything is "free". I have never heard a Democratic politician talk about giving away "free" stuff. I don't know where the suggestion that they do comes from. Clearly, the fact that the party is up front about believing in higher taxes than their opposition concludes that they DON'T believe it's free, or why would they even bother to try and pay for it that way??
    Oh they pretty much preach about the 'rich' paying for everything. Their higher taxes won't pay for any of this shit without the middle class paying the lion's share but they WILL not admit that. Name one time that they have.

    Every time they vote against tax cuts, which is constantly. Including last year. I don't know how much more upfront they can be about it. There is no dastardly plot to conceal the fact that Democrats favor higher tax rates than Republicans. There is, however, an assumption that Republicans are fiscally responsible, which is the real fantasy.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367

    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...

    Clearly no one is suggesting that ONLY the 1% pay taxes and have all their money confiscated. Though it's worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the Eisenhower Administration (meaning after a certain amount, that is what was paid) was over 90%, and I don't ever hear anyone running around calling Ike the second coming of Lenin. Nor does anyone ever suggest anything is "free". I have never heard a Democratic politician talk about giving away "free" stuff. I don't know where the suggestion that they do comes from. Clearly, the fact that the party is up front about believing in higher taxes than their opposition concludes that they DON'T believe it's free, or why would they even bother to try and pay for it that way??
    Oh they pretty much preach about the 'rich' paying for everything. Their higher taxes won't pay for any of this shit without the middle class paying the lion's share but they WILL not admit that. Name one time that they have.

    Every time they vote against tax cuts, which is constantly. Including last year.

    That's a joke right? All they ever said was tax cuts for 'the rich'. I'm sorry, but I got a tax cut too. I'm middle class. They never once admitted they voted against a tax cut for the middle class.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...

    Clearly no one is suggesting that ONLY the 1% pay taxes and have all their money confiscated. Though it's worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the Eisenhower Administration (meaning after a certain amount, that is what was paid) was over 90%, and I don't ever hear anyone running around calling Ike the second coming of Lenin. Nor does anyone ever suggest anything is "free". I have never heard a Democratic politician talk about giving away "free" stuff. I don't know where the suggestion that they do comes from. Clearly, the fact that the party is up front about believing in higher taxes than their opposition concludes that they DON'T believe it's free, or why would they even bother to try and pay for it that way??
    Oh they pretty much preach about the 'rich' paying for everything. Their higher taxes won't pay for any of this shit without the middle class paying the lion's share but they WILL not admit that. Name one time that they have.

    Every time they vote against tax cuts, which is constantly. Including last year.

    That's a joke right? All they ever said was tax cuts for 'the rich'. I'm sorry, but I got a tax cut too. I'm middle class. They never once admitted they voted against a tax cut for the middle class.

    We've been over and over the fact that all the individual and family tax cuts phase out year by year until they are gone completely by 2025, and that the corporate cut from 35% to 21% is permanent. No one ever claimed anything different. I talked about it constantly during the debate about the bill.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367

    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    Balrog99 said:

    I just looked this up for grins. If you stole every dollar the top 1% make in the US, it would amount to $3900 per person/year. That's about $330/month/person and that's if you confiscate EVERY PENNY THEY MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. Tell me again how the 1% is going to pay for this! Seriously people, I'm all ears. Again, don't lie to me and tell me it's going to be free because 'the rich' are going to pay for it. Tell me honestly how much it's going to cost me and just maybe we can work something out. The politicians on the left know it doesn't work out the way they say it will but they're buying votes. Period!

    Edit: Keep in mind I'm already paying for me and my family...

    Clearly no one is suggesting that ONLY the 1% pay taxes and have all their money confiscated. Though it's worth mentioning that the top marginal tax rate in the Eisenhower Administration (meaning after a certain amount, that is what was paid) was over 90%, and I don't ever hear anyone running around calling Ike the second coming of Lenin. Nor does anyone ever suggest anything is "free". I have never heard a Democratic politician talk about giving away "free" stuff. I don't know where the suggestion that they do comes from. Clearly, the fact that the party is up front about believing in higher taxes than their opposition concludes that they DON'T believe it's free, or why would they even bother to try and pay for it that way??
    Oh they pretty much preach about the 'rich' paying for everything. Their higher taxes won't pay for any of this shit without the middle class paying the lion's share but they WILL not admit that. Name one time that they have.

    Every time they vote against tax cuts, which is constantly. Including last year.

    That's a joke right? All they ever said was tax cuts for 'the rich'. I'm sorry, but I got a tax cut too. I'm middle class. They never once admitted they voted against a tax cut for the middle class.

    We've been over and over the fact that all the individual and family tax cuts phase out year by year until they are gone completely by 2025, and that the corporate cut from 35% to 21% is permanent. No one ever claimed anything different. I talked about it constantly during the debate about the bill.
    Well at least I get to keep more of my money for 9 years. That's more than the Democrats gave me. Sorry but it's true. Corporate tax cuts do allow for more investment in research and expansion also. I guess we'll see in 2025 if it worked or not. Although I doubt the experiment will be allowed to last that long...
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