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Which stronghold is the most profitable?

Before you answer this question, please read on. We are to consider:

1. The profits, both in terms of money as well as other loot, and specially unique items that can be gained from that stronghold and its quest.

2. And then again, its only that part of the profit which can be gained by a protagonist having a class specific to the stronghold. What I mean by this is that we are not to consider any items which are gained by a protagonist of a different class by playing any quests related to the same stronghold area. As an example, the Carsomyr, though related to the Paladin stronghold quests, can be gained by any protagonist killing Firkraag, so it is not considered as part of the profit. However, things like the Staff of Power or the Moon Dog Figurine are exclusive items gained by the protagonist only if they belong to the respective class, and so they are considered.

3. Experience gains. Again, only that part which is exclusively gained by the protagonist having the specific class.

4. Anything else worth considering.

Which stronghold is the most profitable? 26 votes

Fighter
34%
VasculioPermidion_StarkYulaw9460_Nightfall_DaevelonSssiksseilorStummvonBordwehrborntodieCashondeliveri 9 votes
Paladin
0%
Ranger
30%
Grond0karnor00jsavingDragonwizardAerakarJGPEnuhalLammas 8 votes
Thief
11%
typo_tillyQuickbladesemiticgod 3 votes
Mage
11%
sarevok57DJKajuruBalrog99 3 votes
Cleric
0%
Druid
3%
smyth25 1 vote
Bard
7%
smady3InKal 2 votes
JuliusBorisovcompleCCityStummvonBordwehr

Comments

  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,993
    Fighter
    I voted Fighter because you get a castle and I always wanted to have my own castle.

    StummvonBordwehrcompleCCityGusindaborntodie
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 3,033
    Mage
    Not sure it's the most 'profitable' but I find the Planar Sphere to be the most fun. If all goes well, you can get some free potions every week!

  • EnuhalEnuhal Member Posts: 404
    edited October 31
    Ranger
    Voting for ranger, because I think that the Moon Dog Figurine is the single most powerful thing you get access to by gaining a stronghold (the golden lion is nice, but not nearly as amazing). I don't think experience differences are all that significant between the various strongholds (though I might be wrong here - if someone wants to do the math, that might be interesting).

    ThacoBell
  • _Nightfall__Nightfall_ Member Posts: 124
    Fighter
    Fighter or thief for money, bard too I suppose but oh my god I hate that stronghold. Well, don’t like thief much more to be honest, so fighter. That being said, I will only ever do the ranger stronghold anymore, the rest I never finish before I go to the end of SoA. Ranger stronghold is fun, doesn’t take forever and I like the figurines.

  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 557
    Thief
    In terms of hard cash:
    1. Thief easily makes the most money, but takes time and effort to maintain. IIRC the calculations would be an average of a bit more than 2,000 per week, but you might eat losses if your thieves get caught and you have to bail them out. It's not guaranteed pay.
    2. Bard stronghold makes more than Fighter. Also, don't take the 10,000 investment option in the beginning, it's not worth it the way it is calculated in the end. Depending on your initial investment, actions through the quest series, and end performance, you make as much as 1800 your first week, and then it is reduced by 100 every week until you're at 500/week (which is where the fighter keep is). 10,000 is 5000 more than the 5,000 option but only nets you another 100/week (so an additional 100/week for 18 weeks for 1800), so you're losing money. I'm not even sure the 5,000 investment is worth it. Also, if you do do Bard, be an 18 Cha Bard.
    3. Fighter, but you wind up losing money every week doing the quests the right way, so it's a long time before you break even. Bard stronghold is like this too, but not EVERY week.

    Thief has a lot of work every week, the other two just automatically dump it for you to pick up.
    Bard stronghold is VERY LONG as _Nightfall_ suggests.
    Fighter one is easy and relatively short but doesn't pay as well if you don't want to be run out of the keep.

    In terms of items:
    ThacoBell said:

    Depends on how you look at "profit". Yes some strongholds have better items and exp, but three of the stronghold generate literal infinite gold. Do you think you could sell any number of items in game to get infinity gold out of them?

    Why not? There already is the option to sell a literally infinite number of stolen items for infinite gold.
    ThacoBell said:

    Personally, I find narrative to be more "profitable" in terms of enjoyment over anything else. For this reason I vote for the Ranger stronghold. Its a lot of fun protecting the small town, and its really fleshes the place out as well. The moon dog figurine you get for finishing is pretty great too.

    I favor the Ranger one for the moon dog figurine.

    I, too, favor narrative. I also allow the option to take all the strongholds to do all the quests although I have NEVER done the Cleric one though, and I rarely do more than 3-4 (usually Fighter, Ranger, and sometimes Thief or Bard). Some strongholds can plausibly be done by any class, some are logically restricted (Cleric, Mage, Thief, Druid IIRC) by dint of inherent characteristics of the class.

  • jsavingjsaving Member Posts: 293
    Ranger
    I'm going to divide my answer into several categories.

    Largest boost to character power - Ranger

    Most creative - Mage

    Most tied to in game lore - Fighter

    Most gold (but also biggest nuisance) - Thief

    Honorable mention to the cleric stronghold, which doesn't take very long to complete and has some entertaining dialogue options along the way.

    ThacoBellMirandel
  • karnor00karnor00 Member Posts: 664
    Ranger
    I voted ranger because the moon dog is probably the most useful item.

    I like the fighter one best because it fits nicely into the lore. It does take a long time to complete however.

    And I find the bard one to be the most interesting.

  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 3,033
    Mage
    smyth25 said:

    I actually found the druid stronghold to be surpisingly profitable. Over the course of the quest you can obtain the following rewards:
    -Root of the problem club
    -Golden Lion figurine
    -Cleric staff +3
    -Ring of protection +2
    -10000 gold
    The figurine and the ring of protection are very useful loot, and you can sell the other two items for even more gold assuming you can’t make use of them.

    Also rather than getting chunks of XP that get divided between each party member, the stronghold quests grant quest experience points to each member individually. This means with a 6 person party, the druid stronghold may actually net the most XP. I suppose though if you have a smaller/solo party, it may not be as much.

    Now if only you didn't have to play as a druid...

  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 7,371
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 3,033
    Mage
    ThacoBell said:

    @Balrog99 But druids are great!

    Yeah, yeah. Support role and all. I prefer to do my own dirty work!

  • LammasLammas Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2
    Ranger
    Moon dog is so good I'll put a vote in for ranger too. I never play one myself but I've loved it in the past in original BG2 where I used mods to be able to pick all strongholds. I'd value that figurine higher than all the other stuff from other strongholds combined because it just gives you an item that's going to be good all the way.

    That being said my favorite is mage. The stuff you get for keeping your apprentices alive isn't really useful but I like the flow of the quests and the graduation ceremony and it does give you some insight into the lore that the Cowled Wizards in Spellhold might be in a bit of a disarray at the moment in the end.

    Neither of those quests is frequently visiting your wallet either which is nice IMO. I'd rate fighter as good as mage otherwise.

    Post edited by Lammas on
  • smyth25smyth25 Member Posts: 101
    Druid
    Balrog99 said:



    Now if only you didn't have to play as a druid...

    I thought similar for a while but I am playing an avenger right now and their list of mage spells and extra shapeshifts makes them an intriguing class to play. Most importantly the mage spells cover up the druids' lack of good 1st-4th level spells. Would recommend if you want an interesting and powerful class that can benefit from the grove.
    Balrog99 said:



    Yeah, yeah. Support role and all. I prefer to do my own dirty work!

    Tell that to the avenger when they are blasting their enemies with chromatic orbs, lightning bolts, and chain lightnings before laying down thick webs and leaping into sword spider form to tear those sorry fools' posteriors to shreds ;)

    Rik_KirtaniyaThacoBellBalrog99
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 7,371
    Balrog99 said:

    ThacoBell said:

    @Balrog99 But druids are great!

    Yeah, yeah. Support role and all. I prefer to do my own dirty work!
    Support nothin, these guys have PhDs in mage killing. They are a near auto-win for every mage encounter. That's a lot in BG2.

    Balrog99Lammas
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 634
    edited November 6
    Fighter
    Deleted.

    Post edited by Yulaw9460 on
    LammasStummvonBordwehr
  • SirBatinceSirBatince Member Posts: 751
    edited November 3
    You get infinite money from selling opponent items alone, I really don't think strongholds have any value other than the odd prize and some funny stories.

    early horrid wilting for mage is very nice tho

    sarevok57
  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 3,855
    Mage
    from what i remember:

    fighter:
    IF nalia is in your team when she gives you the keep you get a 10000 gold bonus ( 10650 ) if she isn't in your team at the time she will only give you 650 ( although this might not matter what class you are ) from what i remember there are 10 "stronghold" quests, and lots of them require paying money, upwards to around..... 12000? something like that, so if you keep it at 500 gold a week ( like a do ) it will take 24 weeks to break even on the gold spent to keep the place going, plus the final fight at the end, has some magical items, but altogether they will probably only fetch around 4000-5000 gold, so not bad i suppose EVENTUALLY, although the XP is pretty decent though, i believe its 15000 for the first 9 quests completed successfully and the last one brings in 50000, so rich in XP

    paladin:
    no start up cost which is nice, with 3 major quests ( firkraag being #4, but based on the poll we will do the first 3 ) and when it comes to treasure its not all that great, first fight has some gems and piles of 100 gold, second fight just has a few chums with not much for memorable goodies, and the 3rd quest is the same, perhaps altogether 3000 gold?

    ranger:
    how man its been so long since i've done this one, pre EE infact, from what i can remember you get the cabin in the umar hills and the town just stock piles it full of ammunition, and then theres that battle with the dudes in the forest looking for the mithral or something? from what i remember not much gold to be made there, but also no start up

    thief:
    problem with this one is if you accept the thief guild you lose the 10500 gold AND short sword of backstabbing reward for finishing renal's quest, so thats around 13000 gold right there, next when it comes to thief quest stuff, i think there is.... 3 of them? from what i remember, and from what i can recall none of them bringing in sweet spoils, but you do have those 5 (?) thieves that you send out on to missions to collect you money BUT you also have to pay renal a fee every week as well, so realistically you are only profiting 500-600 gold a week and thats IF your thieves dont get caught, so realistically i find it too much of a hassle to do this quest, and if im not mistaken you have to redo your thief mission thing EVERY time they come back, yeck, pass

    mage:
    probably out of all the quests this one at least brings in some killer items, also you can get a golden girdle ( which is spectacular but still kind of neat ) and then you can get a ring of wizardry ( hell yes ) and if you are lucky a staff of power, which is incredibly powerful, but in practicality i just use the staff of the magi anyway, plus there are a couple stronghold quests ( 3 i believe ? ) bringing in mediocre items and what not, but the one dude at the end if he survived the schooling makes you potions apparently ever week, so whatever that equals ( dont know if you have to buy them or not, never really used them to be honest so i dont remember )

    cleric:
    holy crap, it has been a LONG time since i've done this one, i remember getting some decent items, like the ring of holiness (snice!), and necklace that gives you a bonus to save vs death, and the armor of faith which is kind of a cool suit of armor that gives you a saving throw bonus, although from what i can remember there are no battles just helping other fellow clerics out which i believe gave you 20000 XP each? so other than those 3 cool items, i think that is it

    druid:
    ah druid, i think i've only done this one once, maybe twice, again a million years ago, i recall some sylvan chain +2 and perhaps a ring of protection +2 ? plus someone else said you also get another 10000 gold( wowzers, people from the forest, what do they need all that money for? ) so actually based off of that, the druid one is probably the most profitable, no start up cost and all that cool stuff

    bard:
    never played the bard stronghold actually, i remember i had a blade that got the rights to the play house and then i never played that save game ever again, i was getting so bored with playing a blade i just couldn't handle it anymore, perhaps one of these days i will try it out, but we will see

    AerakarSssiksseilorGusinda
  • LammasLammas Member Posts: 42
    Ranger
    If you make the mages make you the more powerful items some of them are bound to die. Through hundreds and hundreds of reloads I've never managed to keep them alive if I order them to make anything but the most basic things and to my memory, I've never even seen the staff of power. The potions are randomly generated from a predetermined list and he just hands them to you. Most of them are rather useless tho.

    Those cleric things (at least the ring and the armor) are choises for a reward for the Sir Sarles quest. You can only pick them if you are a cleric but they aren't strictly tied to you stronghold which you get after the unseen eye quest.

    Druid also gets you the lion figurine and I think the root of the problem club which is some extra cash unless you plan on using them. Ranger gets that lovely moondog figurine that you should definitly think about using. Bards get Azlaer's harp which isn't terribly useful. I don't think the other's get any unique items but I might be forgetting something.

    ThacoBell
  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 557
    Thief
    IIRC from the walk-through, making powerful things kills them, and when they attempt to make the staff of power it kills all of them, and it's not even guaranteed to succeed.

    ThacoBellAerakar
  • borntodieborntodie Member Posts: 125
    edited November 4
    Fighter
    In terms of gaming, all of them are just a small xp bonus, or maybe a little item or two that's more about flavor than anything.

    Infinite money is worth exactly nothing, even in theory. That's because the number of things with any use that are for sale is very limited, and there is more than enough money in the game to buy it all (even without steal/reselling shenanigans). Gaining any money after that has zero impact on your character.

    So I voted for the stronghold with the most appealing flavor to me, and it is the Nalia Keep. Although I'm glad that at least someone voted Bard.

    Aerakarsarevok57
  • LammasLammas Member Posts: 42
    Ranger
    I would like bard a whole lot more if it didn't require me to drag my whole party there (why is the inn a party required place, tho I dunno if that's still the case in EE. It was in original.) and if completing it didn't basically require me to pull a walkthrough up for it every time since it's pretty hard to remember what the best choises are, much less to remember your lines for the final play. It's kind of a drag and probably the most bothersome stronghold out there after thief unfortunately, at least for me. If the harp was actually awesome I'd gladly go through it.

    sarevok57
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