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Knights of the Old Republic Remake Might Be Back in the Cards

SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
edited January 2020 in Off-Topic
"According to one, the previously mentioned Knights of the Old Republic remake is back in development. My other source added to that saying they felt it wasn’t so much a remake, but a “sequel” of sorts. It would be a Knights of the Old Republic project that would integrate elements from the first two games in order to bring certain things into the current Star Wars canon. Not necessarily a remake, so much as a re-imagining." http://www.cinelinx.com/news/knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-might-be-back-in-the-cards-exclusive/

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  • themazingnessthemazingness Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 702
    Well, if it is EA it is already out of the question for me. But I do think it'll be great to have another KOTOR.
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    Well, if it is EA it is already out of the question for me. But I do think it'll be great to have another KOTOR.

    The last star wars games for then isn't bad. Is just not good as Kotor or force unleashed.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 2,666
    i don't really trust current bioware with a kotor game. everyone that worked on the orginal is not there anymore.
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,651
    edited January 2020
    I want this to be good, but I have little hope. Nobody seems to exist in the games industry anymore capable of this kind of quality. I blame the games industry.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 2,666
    I want this to be good, but I have little hope. Nobody seems to exist in the games industry anymore capable of this kind of quality. I blame the games industry.

    when i enjoy fan made modules made in nwn from like 2004 more then current games there is an issue.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    I want this to be good, but I just have a horrible feeling it won't be. On the one hand, the original KOTOR games were awesome, at a time when the movies were trash. Let's face it, the games had way better writing than the movies, hence why they now want to mine it. On the the other hand, in the immortal words of Mojo Nixon, "Walt Disney is the enemy."
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    edited January 2020
    "Not necessarily a remake, so much as a re-imagining." worries me...
    I want this to be good, but I just have a horrible feeling it won't be. On the one hand, the original KOTOR games were awesome, at a time when the movies were trash. Let's face it, the games had way better writing than the movies, hence why they now want to mine it. On the the other hand, in the immortal words of Mojo Nixon, "Walt Disney is the enemy."

    Did you tested SWTOR? My guess is a new Kotor will be similar to SWTOR.

    I was watching to a SWTOR video and looks like WoW. Felt more like i an working with a spreedsheet to use game mechanics that doesn't reflect anything about the game's universe in my favor INSTEAD of being immersed in my character's skin... A swtor video in spoiler. Not talking about mechanics that i already criticized a lot here but the game is nothing like KOTOR and i believe that a possible "Kotor 3" will be more in common with SWTOR than to kotor 1/2...

    This is what i love about KOTOR 1/2 (more screens on spoiler)

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    The unique alteration that i would make in KOTOR 2 is to remake is to remove parts like Mira's part, where you need to fight using Mira, not your MC. Was by far the hardest part of the game by far. Even putting the game on easy, was harder than on hard for my main sith lord... Hell, i spended like 80 medkits and 50 advanced medkits in that part...
    megamike15 wrote: »
    I want this to be good, but I have little hope. Nobody seems to exist in the games industry anymore capable of this kind of quality. I blame the games industry.

    when i enjoy fan made modules made in nwn from like 2004 more then current games there is an issue.

    Me too. I have a lot of fun playing conversions from PnP to NWN1....


    IMO the greatest sin that a RPG can commit is what a lot of modern games(mostly mmos) are commiting "Ludonarrative dissonance or disconnect between narrative and mechanics" https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/the-real-overlooked-sin-in-rpgs-disconnect-between-narrative-and-mechanics.131091/
    megamike15 wrote: »
    i don't really trust current bioware with a kotor game. everyone that worked on the orginal is not there anymore.

    If they maintain the D20, would be a huge incline.
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  • themazingnessthemazingness Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 702
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    edited January 2020
    never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    I would play a star wars mmo as longs it uses the D20 or other similar system, not the WoW system...

    Anyway, i completed Kotor 2 for the first time today. had played kotor 2 some years ago but could't pass the part where you are forced to play with Mira. For her another fight near the end game
    I spended a lot of consumable items, saved her level ups and still took almost 15 minutes of torture.

    The final boss in other hands, i found too easy. Mainly if you have high WIS and high DC for your force powers. You can literally prevent then from moving while you nuke then... Force Crush deals D10 force damage per your caster level... That is insane high damage. IDK if there are any power more powerful in raw damage.
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,651
    edited January 2020
    I spended a lot of consumable items, saved her level ups and still took almost 15 minutes of torture.

    If Mira was giving you trouble I would have just went with Hanharr. He's a monster stats wise and is one of the more interesting characters.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    It was fun to Jedi out Mira, though. In the second one you could roll with a whole party of Jedi if you started teaching Atton and Mira.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    There's a fix for that bug. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head, but IIRC, it was a pretty simple fix.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    There's a fix for that bug. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head, but IIRC, it was a pretty simple fix.

    I don't remember either, but I think I remember it not working for a lot of people.
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    There's a fix for that bug. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head, but IIRC, it was a pretty simple fix.

    I don't remember either, but I think I remember it not working for a lot of people.

    The solution for me was quicksave and quickload after each battle
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    There's a fix for that bug. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head, but IIRC, it was a pretty simple fix.

    I don't remember either, but I think I remember it not working for a lot of people.

    The solution for me was quicksave and quickload after each battle

    That's a pain in the ass to do every single fight, though.
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    There's a fix for that bug. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head, but IIRC, it was a pretty simple fix.

    I don't remember either, but I think I remember it not working for a lot of people.

    The solution for me was quicksave and quickload after each battle

    That's a pain in the ass to do every single fight, though.

    Yep.

    Anyway, one other thing that i really wish in a "kotor 3" is be able to be a Sith Pureblood and other races. SWTOR allows it but i can't play...
  • ZaxaresZaxares Member Posts: 1,325
    Hmm... Interesting news tidbit! Will definitely be keeping an eye on this, although as others have said, following the ME:Andromeda and Anthem fiascos, plus the fact that it's EA pulling the strings, makes me wary of what the final product will be like. Still, I'll reserve judgment until more information is available.
  • BallpointManBallpointMan Member Posts: 1,659
    I'm down to see if it will be good. I'm not expecting it to be incredible or anything, but I dont see the harm in trying. Best case scenario, the game is really good and the KOTOR can be revived as a franchise.

    One (potential) positive thing would be that the story beats are all pretty much established. So while the Bioware of old that created the game is mostly gone, the story wouldnt need to be changed much.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited January 2020
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    The MMO is by far the most story-driven game in it's genre. In fact, it's probably worth playing each class archetype and expansion for that reason alone. And that's the problem with KOTOR 3. As far as this series is concerned, absolutely everything in The Old Republic is direct sequel canon.

    Now, I understand WHY people hate that the next entry in this beloved series was an MMO. I'm sure alot of Warcraft 3 fans felt the same way in 2004. But the cat is already out of the bag on that. And even subscribing for a month or two will give you access to story-content that is actually really high quality and easily the equivalent of a 100+ hour RPG. And you will never need to group with anyone.
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    I wish we were getting remasters of the originals. Even just updating for modern PCs would be great.

    And fixing the bug where you get stuck in place after every single combat in the first game on modern systems.

    @SorcererV1ct0r never played or even looked at the MMO, since it's well an MMO and your description pretty much describes them all.

    The MMO is by far the most story-driven game in it's genre. In fact, it's probably worth playing each class archetype and expansion for that reason alone. And that's the problem with KOTOR 3. As far as this series is concerned, absolutely everything in The Old Republic is direct sequel canon.

    Now, I understand WHY people hate that the next entry in this beloved series was an MMO. I'm sure alot of Warcraft 3 fans felt the same way in 2004. But the cat is already out of the bag on that. And even subscribing for a month or two will give you access to story-content that is actually really high quality and easily the equivalent of a 100+ hour RPG. And you will never need to group with anyone.

    Turning a series into a MMO can mean two things >
    A ) Pick the game and make it multiplayer
    B ) Make another WoW clone

    99,9% od cases is "B", not "A", Ultima Online is the unique "A" case that i know. Sure, they had to remove few spells like Armageddon by obvious reasons but the UO is mechanic wise and lore wise, Ultima. If they had maintained the same D20 system for SWTOR, i would pay a sub fee happily.

    And is not only mechanic wise that people hate mmos. One of the most common complaints against other games. Many people said that DA:I felt like a mmo ( https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/39hly0/dai_spoilers_the_single_player_mmo_criticism/ ) and i agree. There are people who criticize Gothic 3 because G3 hasa lot of "mmo quests'(note : You don't need to do all quests to become ludicrous powerful and godlike at end game) The story of SWTOR at least is better.

    Even ESO, i had the feeling that there are very little difference among the players and ESO is one of the most originals mainstream RPG's. The game gives way less freedom with spells AND archery than any other TES game, skyrim included. Mainly if you consider Skyrim shouts.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    @jjstraka34 Shame what it did to Revan and the Exile...

    I'll never recognize its canon for those reasons alone.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    @jjstraka34 Shame what it did to Revan and the Exile...

    I'll never recognize its canon for those reasons alone.

    I'm afraid to ask what it did.
  • SorcererV1ct0rSorcererV1ct0r Member Posts: 2,176
    Star wars expanded universe is far better than the Canon. Anyway, why we have so few Star Wars games now? Like only Fallen Order as a SP star wars game in almost a decade. And fallen order is IMO far worst than force unleashed.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 2,666
    Star wars expanded universe is far better than the Canon. Anyway, why we have so few Star Wars games now? Like only Fallen Order as a SP star wars game in almost a decade. And fallen order is IMO far worst than force unleashed.

    thats due to since disney bought star wars they had a tighter control on the canon then when lucas was involved where he just let people do whatever.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    @jjstraka34 Shame what it did to Revan and the Exile...

    I'll never recognize its canon for those reasons alone.

    I'm afraid to ask what it did.

    Death and mind...stuff (mentally broken/dominated). What, exactly, varies a bit depending on your story path. Hope you didn't get too attached to the characters you spent all that time playing as.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 2,666
    it disrespects kotor 2 in general.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    megamike15 wrote: »
    it disrespects kotor 2 in general.

    Yeah, having anyone other than Obsidian continue kotor after 2 just doesn't gel.
  • PsicoVicPsicoVic Member Posts: 868
    Obsidian made a good job of The Outer worlds and KOTOR2 , I think they could make a great job at a Kotor game, now that they are more experienced. It would be fantastic if they gave them a try.
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