My first maximal dual-classed character of level 29/30! New suggestions?

Yigor

I obtained it in HoW after completing TotL, Burial Isle and Gloomfrost on Insane diff. ?

Kit: Berserker/Thief, level 29/30
STR=15, DEX=17, CON=INT=WIS=CHA=10
Grand mastery in longswords and flails/morningstars + some other proficiencies.
AC=-12 (improvable to -16 with Tiernon's shield and Berserker's rage)
THAC0 = -10 with longsword of action+4, 9/2 attacks per round.

Yigor

What new dual-classed character should I try? ?

Balrog99

Priest of Lathander/Wizard

Yigor

Balrog99 wrote: »

Priest of Lathander/Wizard

Any particular reason for this choice? ??

P.S. We could call it Morninglord/Wizard of Dawn. ?

Balrog99

Spellcasting fiend when he's finished! Lathander priest should be a bit more helpful against undead than a regular cleric. There isn't any need for True Seeing in IWD, lightning bolt is annoying, the Tyr special powers are useless, Tempus is just OK, and there is no reason to play a vanilla cleric. Playing a low-level mage will be quite the slog though. 30 levels is a long wait before you become a demi-god.

Yigor

Balrog99 wrote: »

Spellcasting fiend when he's finished! Lathander priest should be a bit more helpful against undead than a regular cleric. There isn't any need for True Seeing in IWD, lightning bolt is annoying, the Tyr special powers are useless, Tempus is just OK, and there is no reason to play a vanilla cleric. Playing a low-level mage will be quite the slog though. 30 levels is a long wait before you become a demi-god.

Nice. ? I'll try it a bit later on HoF together with my exported Berserker/Thief, starting directly from TotL. ?

However, I'll restrict learnt/memorized spells accordingly to Lathander's beliefs (cleric domains: Life and Light). ?

Balrog99

If you want 18 INT and WIS that doesn't leave much for anything else. I'd suggest go with at least 16 DEX and minimize STR and CHA. Don't skimp too much on CON or you'll be tired all the time and be sure to invest enough STR to wield at least a mace (or even splurge a bit to get enough to use a flail). Have fun!

Balrog99

Also, your restrictions will not allow you to use Animate Dead (rp appropriate for Lathander I guess). This means you won't be able to do any summoning until level 4 spells (animals so not light but maybe life?) and you won't get any major summoning until level 6 (invisible stalker-might work for light domain?). Could make for tough going in HoW but you seem up to the challenge!

Yigor

Balrog99 wrote: »

If you want 18 INT and WIS that doesn't leave much for anything else. I'd suggest go with at least 16 DEX and minimize STR and CHA. Don't skimp too much on CON or you'll be tired all the time and be sure to invest enough STR to wield at least a mace (or even splurge a bit to get enough to use a flail). Have fun!

Thanks! ? According to my "minimalistic principles" ?, I'd probably put STR=13 (in order to use flails),
WIS=15, INT=17 and 10 as other stats.

Would it be enough to use high-level spells? ?

Balrog99

Yigor wrote: »

Balrog99 wrote: »

If you want 18 INT and WIS that doesn't leave much for anything else. I'd suggest go with at least 16 DEX and minimize STR and CHA. Don't skimp too much on CON or you'll be tired all the time and be sure to invest enough STR to wield at least a mace (or even splurge a bit to get enough to use a flail). Have fun!

Thanks! ? According to my "minimalistic principles" ?, I'd probably put STR=13 (in order to use flails),
WIS=15, INT=17 and 10 as other stats.

Would it be enough to use high-level spells? ?

Is 15 WIS enough to dual class? I can't remember. 10 DEX will be a challenge if you intend any melee fighting but 13 STR should at least allow good armor and ?. I think the INT requirement is only for scribing the scrolls so you'd need to use a potion to raise it before scribing level 9 spells. After that I'm pretty sure you can cast the spells regardless of your INT once they're in your spellbook.

Edit: Also, I think dualing from Lathander will trick the engine into thinking you're a specialist wizard with no school. Thus your scroll scribing will have the penalty percentage applied (I think it's 20% penalty). If you're going no-reload this could be very annoying with the general lack of scrolls and INT raising potions in IWD.

Yigor

Balrog99 wrote: »

Also, your restrictions will not allow you to use Animate Dead (rp appropriate for Lathander I guess). This means you won't be able to do any summoning until level 4 spells (animals so not light but maybe life?) and you won't get any major summoning until level 6 (invisible stalker-might work for light domain?). Could make for tough going in HoW but you seem up to the challenge!

I guess that Invisible Stalkers from Elemental Plane of Air are fully compatible with Lathander's Faith (let's say that they bring the fresh air in the morning LoL). ?️?

Since I'm planning to play duo with Berserker/Thief of lvl 29/30, in the beginning the Morninglord will serve just as a support for his more powerful companion. ?

Balrog99

Check out my edited addition to my previous post. There's an annoying engine limitation I describe.

Yigor

Balrog99 wrote: »

Check out my edited addition to my previous post. There's an annoying engine limitation I describe.

No-reload is not my style. I prefer learning while remaking lost fights. ?

Aerich

I have done the Cl29/M30 duo as a solo, as have others- there’s a thread about it. The self-buffing was crazy. I think the character plays better (as do most) with others. It will be a great caster complement to your existing melee monster.

For stats, I’d go with a higher Str - even 15 - so you can carry a bit of loot. 17 Int means you have to take a potion so you can learn level 9 spells. A slightly higher Cha (even 13-15) with Friends will allow you to buy scrolls for less.

Yigor

Aerich wrote: »

I have done the Cl29/M30 duo as a solo, as have others- there’s a thread about it. The self-buffing was crazy. I think the character plays better (as do most) with others. It will be a great caster complement to your existing melee monster.

For stats, I’d go with a higher Str - even 15 - so you can carry a bit of loot. 17 Int means you have to take a potion so you can learn level 9 spells. A slightly higher Cha (even 13-15) with Friends will allow you to buy scrolls for less.

Thanks! ? Please give a link to that thread. ?

There are 2 bags of holding in TotL, so no problems with looting. In my previous run with Berserker/Thief, I came back from TotL with about 200,000 GP. So, no major financial problems anyway. ??

N.B. I'm planning to start directly from TotL. ?

Aerich

Here you go. https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/751924

This duo of yours will have everything it needs. That's why I'm not the biggest fan of solo, you can't cover everything. I much prefer 2-4.

Yigor

My new maximal dual-classed character:

Kit: Berserker/Cleric, level 29/30
STR=15, DEX=17, CON=INT=WIS=CHA=10
Grand mastery in maces and flails/morningstars + some other proficiencies.
AC=-11 (improvable to -19 and more).

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/82679/hof-trio-berserker-cleric-kensai-thief-and-wizard-slayer-mage