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The Ravager Fight on Legacy of Bhaal difficulty

PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
so apparently, he has 1600 hp or so. no other boss has so much life as far as i know. and for some reason, my spike traps only deal half their normal damage to him. whats going on here?
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  • atcDaveatcDave Member Posts: 2,648
    I don’t think it’s that high? But he does take half damage, or less, from almost anything. And he regenerates very fast.

    Typically I find this a pretty satisfying exercise for an end game party just for a pure damage dealing perspective.
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    edited July 19
    im on legacy of bhaal.. and solo assassin. thing is, according to the fandom wiki, he doesnt have any resistance to magic damage, and spike trap is magic damage.
  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 4,115
    The Ravager doesn't have any resistance to magic damage. Or luck, for that matter - Sendai has +4 luck so she takes minimal damage from all non-physical types when they roll dice. I nuked the Ravager down in one round once (not LoB) with a set of four simultaneous triple-ADHW chain contingencies from two mages and their simulacra. (Trigger condition: be hit. Which I set off myself with a fireball from an item, after I had lowered its magic resistance.)
    Damage resistances: 75% physical, 100% all elements and poison. Also 90% magic resistance.

    Your traps should do their full normal damage. But. You can't set those traps up in the arena to trigger at the start of the fight, and anywhere else you're likely to hit the Bone Blades instead and waste the trap. And then you run out of traps and the Ravager still has tons of hit points left, because you can only set seven.
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    i managed to set 5 traps at the entrance to the arena, while he and the bone blades were busy with some summons, and then i lured just him into the spike traps, but still they do too little damage. like, max 70 per trap, and they should do 20d6. up until this fight, i think that for every spike trap, in the combat window there were 2 damage numbers, around 50 each or smth like that. this time, theres only 1 per trap.
  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 4,115
    70 damage is precisely normal for 20d6. It's the average. A spike trap should deal that much damage, once, to one target.
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    edited July 19
    well something is off. im comparing to the fight with Abazigal in dragon form, who has 890 hp if im not mistaking. and he fell from 7 spike traps, which on average should deal about 490 damage, right? i think its really unlikely that i would get a 890 burst just by luck.
  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 4,115
    It is literally impossible to deal 890 damage with seven spike traps; if you rolled the maximum on every die, that would be 840.

    Dragon form Abazigal has 200 HP, when not in LoB (unmodded). Which is effectively 181, since he's immortal and dies by script when he drops below 20. Where are you getting 890 from?
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    maybe i didnt have the exact right number, but i know on LoB he should have 3 times the normal health plus 80, iirc.
  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 4,115
    edited July 20
    There are actually two different HP calculations for LoB. Normal non-party creatures get 3x+80, while summoned creatures get 2x+20 (according to the wiki). Since dragon form Abazigal comes in through a "Replace Self" effect in a spell, I wonder if he might be using the summoned creature version.

    Human form Abazigal has 290 HP and transforms when under half. So that's effectively 146 HP normally and 476 on LoB (half of 950 plus one).

    Dragon form Abazigal has 200 HP and dies at under 20. That's effectively 181 HP normally, and either 661 or 401 on LoB depending on which HP modifier is used. At 661, killing with seven spike traps and nothing else is theoretically possible but extremely unlikely; more than eight standard deviations above the mean. At 401, it's nearly certain; that's more than four standard deviations below the mean.
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  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    has anyone won this fight solo on LoB? at the moment i think its impossible :((
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    edited July 21
    tested some more, and he takes less magic damage than the bone blades, why is that? hes not supposed to have any resistance to magic damage, is he?

    oh, its his saving throws, got it..
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    Hey, guys. 1st post! I looked everywhere when I ran into this brick wall. All the guides I saw depended on spells or traps. Was soloing with melee ranger build (stalker). On a 2nd go round, I figured out a method to solo. For the op-er, if you have a decent attack of any kind, you can use this strategy to do the other half damage. I soloed with assassin once, back before EE. It was tough. Respect.

    Link to Ravager melee:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MR3tqyPGUc

    And this is my channel, if you guys don't mind supporting, trying to get it going:
    https://www.youtube.com/@TomeTom-qu3vc
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    thats not LoB, is it?
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    No. Not lob. Those videos come next. This 1st run of vids is all Core Rules (non-lob). Going to do some insane difficulty as well. And add my talking head, or at least some commentary.
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    heres a challenge for ya: solo pure assassin vs The Ravager on LoB. :)
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    Can't wait!!! Going to do SOLOOOOOO RNGR's turn on insane 1st. Have a great week, all on here!
  • YigorYigor Member Posts: 874
    Can't wait!!! Going to do SOLOOOOOO RNGR's turn on insane 1st. Have a great week, all on here!

    Great hit'n'run tactics! 👍
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    Thanks, Yigor! And you were the 1st person to comment on any of my videos!!!! Major appreciation. Let me know if I can support your posts/vids anywhere and have a great week.
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    btw, what are your stats (armor class, mainly) in that fight? i can stack up to -(20+) and still get hit all the time by his missiles.
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    You can get to -20 with ranger? Haha. Hers is -14 with the shield and without. In testing, if you are out of Ravager missle range but not out of his vision, he won't charge you (just stands there... maybe its something to do with his flailed slow-state). Even if he does charge, you can still run the strat -- just change your pattern/direction as he shifts location. And at the end of a whirlwind its a new "round" (duh) so the strat has a built in spot to drink a pot every single time you go in for ww. So its dive-ww-pot-dash-lure til death do he start. In my xp, you don't need to pot but maybe 1/3 or even 1/4 of the time on core rules with the strat. What other stats do you want to know? See pics.

    -11wceuucrs4tdl.png
    gmdgmdz9qhez.png

    Also, remember the vids from a "speedrun" (not exactly cuz I my life is broken into 15 minute shards) and help for melee speedrunners , so the point is that I am not going after any gear that takes time to get. The flail of ages is the only thing that isn't right there for CHARNAME doing the main plotline -- I have that harvest down to a science. Once I do insane and/or lob, gonna need a crom or a ram. Maybe both!

    And I finally was able to post the melissan video last night. Thanks so much for the questions and support. Oh man. So much.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdgPmO6iJ4
  • YigorYigor Member Posts: 874
    Thanks, Yigor! And you were the 1st person to comment on any of my videos!!!! Major appreciation. Let me know if I can support your posts/vids anywhere and have a great week.

    U are welcome! I'll watch (and comment) some of your other videos too. 😉

    Currently, I play mainly IWD (pure melee fighter) and BG1 (double-wielding katanas). If U wish, U can comment too:

    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/88061/solo-hof-from-scratch-melee-fighter
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/88847/exotic-runs-dual-wielding-katanas
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    im an assassin, not a ranger. and i got to -20 armor class using that belt and cloak that give bonus to armor class against missiles. and also a shield. sry, dont remember the actual names of the items.
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    I shouldv known I ended up on a thread with a bunch of lob assassins. Feel (much) less safe now.

    And will check out the dual katana thread for sure, Yigor. Thats funny. I miss IWD too.

    This weekend (week is shot), I will run RVGR on insane difficulty with RNGR to see if the strat is lights out.
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    edited July 29
    HELL, YEAH! I KILLED HIM!

    after days and days of trying, i finally managed to do it. heres how: i buffed myself up as much as i could, tho its not like i was going to beat him with physical attacks, melee or ranged - his resistances and AC are far too much for a thief, because of LoB and all. then summoned a bunch of creatures, like a mordankainens sword, a djinni, hakeashar, and i made a simulacrum of myself. i entered the arena, trembling with fear. i agroed the Ravager with all summons and managed to drag him and the bone blades into a corner. then ran to the opposite side with my simulacrum and set 7 spike traps with him, taking about half the time it would normally take to do so, thanks to the sim laying traps along side myself. at this point, or maybe a bit earlier, i used a web scroll, for safety and more time to maneuver / lay traps. its important that the Ravager himself is pretty stupid, if you run quickly out of his visual range, he will not follow, instead he just hangs around in the same spot. so that helped a lot - the bone blades, however are much smarter, they will come get you even if they just finished fighting your summons and you are out of their range. next, i went and faked a melee attack on the Ravager, drag him into the mines, and dont ask me how i managed to not get the bone blades to arrive there faster than him, thats all buried memory by now. or maybe they were still fighting the magic sword or mth. he ate the traps and got to Injured. now i ran for my life into a safe corner, far from any enemy, and as my summons all died or were unsummoned, there was a very brief moment of silence which allowed me to save the game - yeah i know, you could say its an exploit/cheat, but ill take it and im not ashamed by it. now comes like 10 reloads or smth like that, cos i had to do the following: cast another web spell, because the bone blades were coming to get me (like i said, they are smart), then run to safety and use the time i just bought to: use a wish scroll and hope to get that options where you get a nights rest and all your ability charges are restored, make another simulacrum, lay 7 more spike traps. now it becomes a little blurry - all i know is i managed to drag him again into the traps, taking him to Near death (meanwhile the bone blades were busy with a couple more summons i made after laying the traps), then i dragged him away from where the traps were, returned again (by now he was far enough) and i and my simulacrum which was still alive laid 3 more spike traps. but by now all the summons were gone again, and i had to circle the arena a couple of times in utter horror, both to not provoke the Ravagers ranged attack and not have the bone blades trigger the traps. i used the Ring of duplication in panic, managed to use a Monster summoning III to buy several seconds, than i went and melee attacked the Ravager, get him to follow again into the 3 Spike traps and......

    he fu**ing died!

    LE: again, i wanna say, that which i find really strange and sad is that the assassins specialty, which is the backstab/assassinate is, somewhat paradoxically, useless against the strongest foes. it just doesnt make sense.
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  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    GOOOOOOOOO, PIXEL!!!!!!!!!$*&!*!^(*&!!!!!!!
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    edited July 29
    Cheers, infinity!

    this wont make me feel less happy about the victory, in any way, but.. mathematically, i should have needed more traps :))), that is to say if we are to believe the LoB rules to the letter, the ones about monster HP in particular. the number of traps was a total of 17, times an average of about 70 or so, gives a total of about 1200, whereas he should have around 1600 hp, as per LoB rules. that is, if what the fandom page says is correct.
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    So awesome. Congrats. Love that you scrapped it to the ultimate win. If you had prepared like you said not as glorious!!!! On my end, I had a meeting cancel and I killed RVRG on insane no problem. Speaking of not glorious. Trying to get it up on the channel before next meeting starts!!!!!
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    By the way, it's not my earlier theory about being in sight but not missile range. All the moving back and forth muddles ravager. I'm now sure what's happening is he does a move command but I am on the other side of the screen so no attack action is there and he just sits. That kind of thing over and over.
  • InfinityisbetterInfinityisbetter Member Posts: 16
    It's up! Going to start a new thread (thanks Pixel for letting me barge in on this one and CONGRATS again!!!). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U9WyRGU2GU
  • PixelRunnerPixelRunner Member Posts: 130
    edited July 30
    If you had prepared like you said not as glorious!!!!

    sorry, what do you mean by this? maybe my english is failing me a little.

    kudos to you too, thats some hardcore play you got there.
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