I think this ''EE'' is a mess.
Wisterias
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For the first time I'm playing BG2EE (I only played the originals, the good ones for me); while the ''normal'' stuff is ok, the new companion quests and stuff are messy. Atm I did Neera quest and it was ok, simple. The voice acting is horrible but nvm. I had to follow a guide not to lose the chance to meet Wilson the bear, because Rasaad and Neera quest ''overlap'' and you can miss it. But ok...
Rasaad quest was a mess. He was unconscious in some combat because of some enemy spell, and his dialogues were bugged. Had to reload and remake some part (the last combat, I think) or I was like... ''hello? nothing to say?'' How can you make an EE and new content and fail like this? I don't get it.
Hexxat quest again... bugs. Her dialogues were messed up and had to reload 3 or 4 times... I was playing this quest by inertia, a tomb and 2 crypts or something it was. No clue, but nvm.
I completed those and now I maybe will do Dorn quest (just because I bought this damn thing and content years ago and spent the money, so I have to play it some day) But i'm afraid he will start being annoying trying to ''romance'' my male-elf PC
and this is so cringe. Why is this even a thing in D&D? It's enough IRL, to involve a game in these things in a pretentious and forced way... it's a nonsense.
BG was a great game in the originals, the EE's are for me a... travesty. Sorry
Rasaad quest was a mess. He was unconscious in some combat because of some enemy spell, and his dialogues were bugged. Had to reload and remake some part (the last combat, I think) or I was like... ''hello? nothing to say?'' How can you make an EE and new content and fail like this? I don't get it.
Hexxat quest again... bugs. Her dialogues were messed up and had to reload 3 or 4 times... I was playing this quest by inertia, a tomb and 2 crypts or something it was. No clue, but nvm.
I completed those and now I maybe will do Dorn quest (just because I bought this damn thing and content years ago and spent the money, so I have to play it some day) But i'm afraid he will start being annoying trying to ''romance'' my male-elf PC
and this is so cringe. Why is this even a thing in D&D? It's enough IRL, to involve a game in these things in a pretentious and forced way... it's a nonsense.BG was a great game in the originals, the EE's are for me a... travesty. Sorry
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I have the last update/patch.
For me this is the less important problem I see with the EE, I will end Dorn quest and kick him off the party. But the rest...
It's a thing in real life yes, so it's a thing in fictions as well.
How can you know it's done in a pretentious and forced way", since obviously you never played it yet ?
People are people, and they don't need all these propaganda acronyms to live 🤷🏼♂️. And they don't deserve anything special, in games or wherever. A gay person can play the Aerie or Anomen romance or whatever; it's roleplaying, it doesn't have to reflect your real-life tastes 🙃. Adding these things was unnecessary... wokism and nonsense.
In a game like baldur's gate it's simply anticlimatic and cringe to me, especially with those abnormal options... a psychopathic half-orc and a repulsive vampire. I avoid romances in this game anyway, so not a big deal.
I completed Dorn quest. Beautiful helm and not so bad areas, but it was way too easy...
The only "new" quest that was a little difficult to me was Hexxat crypts and not much.
I knoe they have more quests in ToB...
There’s a mod that makes it very easy to just remove any or all EE NPCs from the game.
I think broadly speaking I’m not a huge fan of Beamdog writing, a few significant exceptions. But their technical merits are outstanding. Fast, stable, better looking, ease of use features I would never choose to play without. I’ll never go back to the originals.
Well as I said I wanted to play the content I paid for, at least 🙃
I had more important bugs and problems with the EE's than with the Originals, as I said, especially with the new content 🤷🏻♂️
And well for me BG1, the original, was the best looking game, so...
D&D people doesn't exist 🙃. The thing is they added those romance options with that goal, to be inclusive; this is pretentious from start. Not to mention, if someone feels excluded for not being able to hook up with a murderous half-orc or a vampire in a videogame... I would be worried.
Tolerance already existed before being monopolized by a movement like Wokism; it's nothing more than a political/electoral tool (in decline). And yes, that whole acronym mess is a total nonsense.
P.S., I'm not straight 🤷🏻♂️.
Glad to see someone not be blinded by the wokism bullshit and having actual self respect. The movement got hijacked and now everything needs representation that it's nigh insulting. Kind of wish people stopped with the whole "underrepresentation" excuse. It's straight up bogus.
Main reason I decline to buy dragonspear. I still remember that preachy character and frankly no plans to buy the expansion even if this was changed.
chill out man, having more options is good. but if you insist on putting politics everywhere and being offended by everything thats your right as well.
I would also mention *your* mods do wonders for some of the most serious flaws in the original game. They increase the player's ability to provide input and claim credit for their actions at certain key points. I would never run without them now.
Ultimately I think the good I enjoy outweighs the things I dislike. And that's always how D&D is. The only way to have a game world, setting and characters exactly to your choosing is play a PnP game with your own buddies. The strength of the CRPG is you can game when your buddies are less available, or no one has time to design their own adventure. But you do have be willing to navigate the ideas of DMs (writers) you might not have otherwise chosen to game with. But if you keep an open mind on assessing things, the good and the bad of it, you might find something you like quite a bit!
True enough, but he doesn't have the right to inflict his toxic political views on us. Keep your nonsensical blithering about "woke" to yourself.
Trouveur, atcDave, trinit, FredN, and jastey have put it better in this thread than I could. Bravo.
Yes... I don't understand this obsession with needing to "feel represented" for such things, even at times when it simply doesn't fit well with the atmosphere of a game. For me, Baldur's Gate is played in a kind of "medieval" setting (if it was our world), and I want that feeling, not bisexual half-orcs, lesbian vampires or trans someones popping out of nowhere 🙃.
I'd find it more interesting if they'd added that kind of content to a game like Planescape.
When the options are as absurd as Dorn and Hexxat, no 🙃.
But honestly, I think this is all making too big a thing of it. It is really easy to ignore what are some pretty minor aspects of the game and instead focus on the things it does well. For EE specifically that means a lot of technical refinements, the fastest smoothest gameplay ever for these games. And there is a lot of good action in the new material too, battles against groups of orcs/goblins/giants/trolls etc with the opponents smarter and more tactically astute than previously. And the best graphics seen yet for the series.
BTW, we’re now 9 years past the release of SoD. And there are now user developed mods that have the same fast/smooth gameplay and gorgeous graphics. With more classic themes, like “Throne of the Mad God” that takes you to an ancient Dwarven ruin on the scale of Durlag’s Tower or “Loretakers”, a smaller two level dungeon full of wererats (and others) for BG1.
This is a Golden Age for the IE games. And outstanding. new mod content stands on the shoulders of the modernized game engine presented by Beamdog.
There are lot of mods that are nearly as good as the EE's "new" content... But I prefer to play the games with no mods tbh. I even prefer the Original Saga as I said before. I even feel that Originals were harder. Im playing Insane and I feel that it's being so easy atm...
LoB is another thing that is pretty depressing. I like HOF in IWD2 and IWD1 EE, and Black Pits... but for BG its meh... Specially in BG1EE, starting a game at lvl 1 in LOB is like... Zzzz...
This is not necessarily addressed at you (didn't re-read the whole thread so I don't know what exactly was said), but I think it is hilarious to tell someone that they should be content to roleplay a romance that does not represent their RL preferences while on the same time lamenting that there is romances in the game that do not represent oneself's. Duh?
I add these new characters to the party, complete their quests, and then kick them out. Same with Rasaad and Neera (because they're useless).
Anyway, although I played the original romances in the past, I'm not interested in them at all right now. If I were the Child of Bhaal, I'd be too busy to waste my time with the nonsenses of Aerie, Anomen, Viconia, or that annoying Jaheira.
I did play RPGs long before a romance was a staple (1970s?), but I find the experience vastly more satisfying with one included.
It's a peculiar thing to be fixated on. It would be akin to complaining over and over again that BG1 sucks because of the Firewine dungeon. It's blowing something way out of proportion.
Forgotten Realms was never a "medieval" setting in this regard. (Calling it D&D is disingenous anyway - the setting is called Forgotten Realms. I do acknowledge that with all the multiverse propagation and mixing Spelljammer, Eberron, Feywild, the rewritten Barovia all together lately by Hasbro/Wizards makes it really hard to separate the settings these days, I mean BG3 literally starts with a Spelljammer intro before settling into FR and I've met with people who thought the Raven Queen was also part of FR despite it originating from the Points of Light setting) This setting was created by Ed Greenwood in the '80s and was always portrayed with sexual freedom. I even got some quotes from him regarding this.
The Making of Mage, 1994.
This is from a collection of Ed Greenwood's Q&A segments which were collected on the Candlekeep site @ http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/sse/sse_101112-06.htm with the particular segment from 2006. Candlekeep probably has other comments in various places pointing this out which predate the New Tens.
I don't know what's wrong about Firewine dungeon?
Well as I said I would have no time for that while fighting Aec'Letecs, Demogorgons, Firfraags, Amelyssans and stuff 😝.
If you lived in a world where 90% of the peoples were LGBT, you will be the first wanting to be a little represented too as a straight guy. It fits it very well actually. There were also bisexual and lesbian peoples in medieval times of our world you know... And also people feeling to be more akin to another gender, even if the word trans was not used back then.