Toril vs Burning Legion
What do you think would happen if the Warcraft's Burning Legion sought to conquer Toril instead of Azeroth?
Quick facts/links (optional read)
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The Burning Legion and its 1 million-strong army of powerful demons against Toril would be commanded by the ubers Archimonde CR:50 and Kil'jaeden Sorc(26)/Warlock(10) CR:59. To name a few more of its ranking officers: Mannoroth CR:45, Tichondrius Wiz(20)/Necromancer(13) CR:44, and 4 or 5 dozen more at around their level (15-30ish). Know that they can also resurrect corpses into ghouls that are more agile than the Toril ghouls, on top of their already massive numbers; so expect millions upon millions of them esp if the war continues for a long time.
In my opinion, the most powerful spellcasters of Faerun (most importantly, Larloch the Level 46 version and his army of archmages), the continent of Kara-Tur's Shou Lung with 100 million soldiers, and the Harpers would all play a huge role. Toril would win but with heavy losses (half of entire population maybe)!
Assumptions/Guidelines (must read)
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- gods/deities can't interfere directly for some reason (e.g. Ao, Mystra, Sargeras); only of Divine Rank 0 allowed
- timeline is pre-Irenicus battle (say, PC and the gang are level 20ish)
- Toril would stand united (even most of the "usually bad guys" like the Twisted Rune and Red Wizards) and would set aside past grievances (e.g. no more Luskan vs. Neverwinter, or Elves vs. Drows); unless of course if they are directly being manipulated/controlled as part of Burning Legion's tactics
- no trolling please, like "there'd be no Warcraft" ;p
- let's keep it civil please
Quick facts/links (optional read)
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The Burning Legion and its 1 million-strong army of powerful demons against Toril would be commanded by the ubers Archimonde CR:50 and Kil'jaeden Sorc(26)/Warlock(10) CR:59. To name a few more of its ranking officers: Mannoroth CR:45, Tichondrius Wiz(20)/Necromancer(13) CR:44, and 4 or 5 dozen more at around their level (15-30ish). Know that they can also resurrect corpses into ghouls that are more agile than the Toril ghouls, on top of their already massive numbers; so expect millions upon millions of them esp if the war continues for a long time.
In my opinion, the most powerful spellcasters of Faerun (most importantly, Larloch the Level 46 version and his army of archmages), the continent of Kara-Tur's Shou Lung with 100 million soldiers, and the Harpers would all play a huge role. Toril would win but with heavy losses (half of entire population maybe)!
Assumptions/Guidelines (must read)
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- gods/deities can't interfere directly for some reason (e.g. Ao, Mystra, Sargeras); only of Divine Rank 0 allowed
- timeline is pre-Irenicus battle (say, PC and the gang are level 20ish)
- Toril would stand united (even most of the "usually bad guys" like the Twisted Rune and Red Wizards) and would set aside past grievances (e.g. no more Luskan vs. Neverwinter, or Elves vs. Drows); unless of course if they are directly being manipulated/controlled as part of Burning Legion's tactics
- no trolling please, like "there'd be no Warcraft" ;p
- let's keep it civil please
- Toril vs Burning Legion15 votes
- Toril won't stand a chance at all0.00%
- Toril would get defeated | moderate losses for Burning Legion6.67%
- Toril would get defeated | heavy losses for Burning Legion0.00%
- Stalemate0.00%
- Burning Legion would get defeated | heavy losses for Toril26.67%
- Burning Legion would get defeated | moderate losses for Toril20.00%
- Burning Legion won't stand a chance at all46.67%
- Others0.00%
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Agreed, I couldn't imagine the seemingly untouchables Elminster and Larloch lose either. Even though it should be noted, Azeroth also has some very powerful spellcasters: Jaina is level 17 (wizard 13/archmage 4), Medivh is level 35 (sorc 25/ warlock 10), Malfurion the Archdruid is also 35 (healer 17/scout 8/druid 10), Malorne the Stag is level 55 (healer 35/druid 10/hunter 10) and many more who range from level 12-30. They probably have more than half of the number in the list of powerful spellcasters from Faerun I provided; not as many, but they can sure pack a punch (or spell) at those levels. The numbers provided are their 3.5 d&d stats. The Burning Legion are also very devious, it's been proven that they can corrupt high-level characters; I wouldn't be surprised if Simbul or the Red Wizards would get corrupted, and forced to do their bidding.
I still don't see the Azerothians being anywhere near as formidable as Toril. There are basically 1-2 notably high-level characters per race in Azeroth, and many more per race in Toril. I mean, my knowledge of Forgotten Realms lore is pretty spotty (mostly just the Drizzt books, a couple other books, and the CRPGs), but it seems like the Chosen of Mystra alone would probably outnumber the notable Azerothian heroes.
But fair enough, I chose Toril as well anyway.;p
Then look at the Faerun specific spells and you see how weak those Warcraft demons are. Deities of Faerun had left tons of magical treasures and Weaves for Toril to protect itself from outsiders.
Btw your context is a bit flawed, somewhat. If you account for pre Irenicus Faerun, it's 2e or even 1e era, that means the magic was far more powerful and ridiculous than 3e. Gods wage wars on each others constantly, not manifesting like Greyhawk but they have insanely powerful followers to battle each other.
I guess that makes sense. Portals shut down, and the wars over before it could even begin. If I'm not mistaken, that's how Azeroth won in one of its 3 wars. It's CR:50 and 59 for the leaders though...odd I know, since they only have 30ish levels, I guess they're well beyond their levels (probably due to items).
And oh, really. I apologize then. I'm not familiar with the rules and history other than that of the FR computer games, and some searches here and there; never had the chance to play d&d pen and paper (that's how it's called right?), never got a hold of any d&d books either. Do you mean BG lorewise should have had 2e or 1e then?
It wins for the same reason Azeroth won.
Also, Elminster.
How many people does the city of Waterdeep have alone?
Now, I don't know if the Burning Legion would be considered Evil, but Protection from Evil and Protection from Evil 10' Radius" are low-enough level spells to give most members of the Legion fits if they *are* evil. Not to mention "Holy Word". And then there are conjured Elementals and the general succor that Priests and Mages could give their allies. Mass Bless Spells, Aid... Not to mention all those wonderful magic items: Sphere of Annihilation, Staff of Power, Staff of the Magi, Rod of Lordly Might... I think the Burning Legion might decide that Discretion was the Better Part of Valour and head home or decide to take on a Squishier target. Even the Red Wizards of Thay helped take out the Tuigan Horde- because their homelands were directly at risk. If the entire world was at risk... I think even people like the Cult of the Dragon, The Hosttower of the Arcane, The Witches of Rashemen, and Halruaa are going to want in on helping deal with it.
Before 4e, there were also massive abjuration continental enchantments called Mithral that protects the places from various effects. These were ancient elven magics passed down by Mystra to ward perhaps the elves from orcs or something similar.
Even though Shar had "killed" Mystra in 3e, the Weave (the magic) of Faerun did not really went to her, so it is likely the Weave itself could have its own free will, and the Weave is the law of magic in Faerun. That means the Weave could still intervene with the demon invasion should it end up as planar war.
Burning Legion itself, it's funny. Only a few major demons were capable of defeating some of the major figures in Faerun. But you see Faerun is not just any prime material planes they had ever invaded. Those generals including Achimonde, according to Warcraft RPG have Wish spell in their list, and some other 9th level Warcraft exclusive spells. However Faerun NPCs are in many ways superoverpowered just to beat down the broken PCs to keep them in line. Pulling them out would simply railroaded the Burning Legion to defeat.
Computer games combined are like 10% of the whole FR campaign, If Achimonde ever wished to successfully invade Faerun, he must spend centuries planting seeds in the plane, perhaps outside Toril, to establish outposts and allegiance themselves with local deities followers. The perfect ally would probably be Shar, the lord of darkness who seeks ultimate non-existence to all. Second would be Lolth, the demon queen of the Drow, but Lolth herself has a war of her own, she might be too preoccupied to bother with Achimonde, or would strike a stiff bargain with him first.
So a successful invasion is possible, but definitely not the way like the way Blizzard did it.
Yeah, methinks the Burning Legion will go running home, holding their thoroughly whipped butts with both hands. Oh, and one other thing.... It's Mythal, not Mithral.