Redesign Wish spell?!

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• ZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869

  January 2013 edited January 2013

  Permanently Reduces the caster's HP by 5 every time the spell is cast as a side effect. (the spell is supposed to age the caster by 5 years every cast, and that seems like a nice compromise to help reign in it's power)
  
  Raise an attribute of the caster's choice permanently by 1 to a maximum of 18) (can be applied to the caster or another party member (Dialog tree: Raise an attribute permanently by 1 > Select party member > Select stat (checks the selected characters unmodified stats and displays choices for stats of 17 or less).

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  January 2013

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• ZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869

  January 2013 edited January 2013

  They are actually. Though they're supposed to be EXTREMELY rare.
  
  They're even more powerful then wish spells for raising stats, as in PnP to raise a stat above 15 up to 18, it takes 10 wish spells per point raised. And once you hit 18 in a stat, if you're a fighter you wish your Ex str up 10% per wish, till 18/00, which then requires 10 more wishes to reach 19. Non-fighters simply require 20 wishes to go from 18 to 19. For stats other then str, above 18 each point requires 20 wishes.
  
  So letting the characters go from 15-18 in a stat with just one wish per point seems a nice compromise.
  
  The books simply grant +1 to the appropriate stat no matter what their score is, and skips from 18 straight to 19 when used for str. (though it takes 1 week to read through a book and gain the bonus, each time).
  
  In PnP You roll your stats before you pick your race, and you need to meet the minimums and be equal or less then the maximums to pick that race, BEFORE racial bonus/penalties are applied. After that, then you pick your class, assuming you meet their minimum or very rarely maximum stat requirements.
  
  In PnP Racial maximums are only for determining if you can be a particular race (only dwarves and halflings have racial maximums lower then 18. A player who rolled 18 dex or charisma can't make a dwarf, same for halflings who rolled 18 wisdom. After you've picked an allowed race for the stats you rolled THEN your racial bonus/penalty stats are applied, which can raise or lower them below minimums or above maximums without penalty). After creation, you can raise them to whatever you please by magical means.
  
  The only minor restriction to that is that a Halfling can NEVER have an Ex str score, fighter or not and requires 20 wishes to go from base 18 to 19 str.

  Post edited by ZanathKariashi on January 2013

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• PugPug Member Posts: 560

  February 2013

  @zanathkariashi
  
  Nonhumans also face level caps, with the sole exception of the half-elven bard.

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• ZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869

  February 2013 edited February 2013

  Which has nothing to do with the wish spell, aside from the fact that single class Half-Elf mages can never cast it, except from scrolls, and single class Gnomes/Elves can only cast it naturally if they have 18+ intelligence. (Gnomes and Elves cap at 15 while Half-elves cap at 12. Assuming the Gnome/Elf had 18 intelligence, that would allow them to exceed the cap by +3, and gain a 9th level slot. The Half-elf on the other hand could never cast it naturally, as the maximum amount you can exceed a cap is +4 for 19+ prime stats.
  
  The default rule for exceeding the cap only applies to Single class characters. And technically speaking, since BG doesn't use ANY form of the racial limits options, Demi-humans aren't supposed to be able to multiclass AT ALL, multi-class was compensation for the race caps, not directly for human dual-classing, since it allow a multiclass to become versatile and powerful up to the cap, but with fewer stat requirements and no downtime as compensation.
  
  Since BG doesn't use any form of the alternative options for race caps, it should remove Multi-class entirely (without the caps, they're way too powerful, especially with that gimp'd mess of HLA), and allow Demi-humans to dual-class just like humans with all proper restrictions, into any classes they're normally eligible for. And open it up for ANY class dual-classing for humans (within the rules of dual-classing of course). Humans would have greater dual-class variety (since several specialist mages are human only, as well as paladins, blackguards, and monks, with druids and rangers being much more restricted since only half/Elves can use those), but the demi-humans would have better racial stats and abilities.

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