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What background color do you want unknown (or known) spell to have?

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  • DinoDino Member Posts: 290
    Greyscale 2 (not totally grey) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4a3ycim16re2ixc/GB-Ne-7mlU/Spell Greyscale 2.jpg
    Definatley greyscale 2. SLightly desaturated. Easy to spot status, while still not making it look unusable.

  • DinoDino Member Posts: 290
    edited October 2013
    Greyscale 2 (not totally grey) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4a3ycim16re2ixc/GB-Ne-7mlU/Spell Greyscale 2.jpg



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    Thatd work too.

    Maybe only the book icon on known spells, while keeping other scrolls clean. To avoid cluttering every scroll icon.
    Its also easier to spot the known-status if there no icon at all on other scrolls.

    Icon = known.

    Aristillius
  • ShadowdemonShadowdemon Member Posts: 80
    Light Green https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4a3ycim16re2ixc/2aBBuGGqwK/Spell Light Green.jpg
    I've been playing the beta and am starting to like the green coloring. I think it stands out and you instantly see if it is scribe able or not (without having to open the spell or search the spell book every time). However I think it should be colored only when you do NOT have it in your spell book and are able to scribe it instead of the way they have it now.

    I don't like the first grey choice because it screams it is not available. In the computer world something is greyed out if it is not available/applicable and I would think that would cause confusion to new players. I worry that the light green option may be too similar in color to the blue which indicates something is not identified (yeah I know I chose that option but the original green was not a choice).

  • BasillicumBasillicum Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 400
    Whatever the colour or icon we land on in the end, I think it should be optional for each player. Personally I agree with @Mortianna in that a colour telling me what spells I know is unnecessary (and frankly an annoyance), even if I have three or four spellcasters. Probably being in the minority I have to accept the change anyway.

    Sorry for what might seem like advertising myself, but I think implementing More Options (thread) to the game could make more (if not all) players more agreeable to new features and changes (like the green highlight).

    SilverstarKolonKuItomon
  • KaigenKaigen Member Posts: 1,567

    However I think it should be colored only when you do NOT have it in your spell book and are able to scribe it instead of the way they have it now.

    One thing I realized when checking this feature out in a saved game where Baeloth is in my party is that the mage and the sorcerer are on opposite ends of this. The mage wants unwritten spells highlighted because eventually he's going to have them all in his spellbook. The sorcerer doesn't want that, because his limited "spellbook" means that he's unlikely to ever have less highlighted scrolls than not (and it's much more useful for him to carry scrolls for spells he doesn't know than for spells he does). Which is why, unless they can somehow separate this system out between mages and sorcerers, I think it might be better to go with something less obtrusive than a full icon highlight.

  • AranthysAranthys Member Posts: 705
    I really like the suggestion of having spells that the caster doesn't know yet get a green background : It's pretty logical, since the current information that is missing is : "Is that new spell I just looted a spell that I already know ?"

    Shadowdemon
  • VortakaVortaka Member Posts: 173
    Aranthys said:

    I really like the suggestion of having spells that the caster doesn't know yet get a green background : It's pretty logical, since the current information that is missing is : "Is that new spell I just looted a spell that I already know ?"

    Yup... I couldn't have said it better myself! (Actually, I didn't know how to say it exactly). So thanks for the explanation I was searching for!

    My description of this community: A think tank of possibilities and reasoning!

  • NeurologicalNeurological Member Posts: 48
    I give my version:

    http://i.imgur.com/QhHEbsX.png

    based on the other people ideas.

    Flashburn
  • CrawleyCrawley Member Posts: 74
    IMHO colors instead of icons will be much better, but instead of using BG's full backgrounds EE should use IWD's coloured frame for both unusable, unidentified and known.

    alnair
  • MortiannaMortianna Member Posts: 1,355
    edited October 2013

    Whatever the colour or icon we land on in the end, I think it should be optional for each player. Personally I agree with @Mortianna in that a colour telling me what spells I know is unnecessary (and frankly an annoyance), even if I have three or four spellcasters. Probably being in the minority I have to accept the change anyway.

    @Basillicum Never underestimate the power of the vocal minority. ^ ^

    Post edited by Mortianna on
    BasillicumEudaemonium
  • FlashburnFlashburn Member Posts: 1,796
    edited October 2013
    Greyscale 2 (not totally grey) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4a3ycim16re2ixc/GB-Ne-7mlU/Spell Greyscale 2.jpg
    Adding to this in case it hasn't been seen in the recent pages of Phase III due to a certain douche who shall not be named.
    Flashburn said:

    Okay, so I just spent a kajillion hours in MSPaint recoloring the "player ready" checkmark in multiplayer to use to say "you don't have this spell; you should scribe it." Just keep in mind that I'm not a sprite artist.

    On bottom is a checkmark, justified left or right. On top is a slightly smaller version of it in the same positions.
    image

    Would anyone prefer this over a highlighted background? Totally optional of course.

  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,204
    Light Green https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4a3ycim16re2ixc/2aBBuGGqwK/Spell Light Green.jpg
    Having options is always a good thing, most certainly agree with that Basillicum.

    Basillicum
  • knowwheretorunknowwheretorun Member Posts: 30
    I like the scroll icon that shows the mage book to indicate it has been memorized. It's large enough and obvious enough for me and presumably 99% of all players to quickly interpret.

    I don't like color scheme changes of the scroll icons because (playing dumb here) it's much less obvious, at first glance, what the color means. And the book fits with the already existing icon used in gameplay. Not to mention that spell types already use different colors to identify their attributes. Changing colors again could confuse the issue.

  • mfr001mfr001 Member Posts: 43
    I think the current colour in the beta is fine as a background. I would prefer it if the colour did not also cover the scroll as some colour combinations make the more intricate designs quite indistinct. As I frequently play late in the evening, anything which strains my eyes is bad news and can lead to more than the normal errors of judgement.

    alnair
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    I think we'll be removing the color filter for this patch. We can continue to explore options, but until we come up with a solution that pleases everybody we'd rather not alienate any players.

    BasillicumelminsterMortiannaEudaemonium
  • VortakaVortaka Member Posts: 173
    @Dee: If I may... Even though not perfect, I do like it a LOT more then the original! For shopping for spells, it's a MUST for me... So, if it has to be removed, please just put it as an option... Even if I reported the thing (and made a poll even), I like it FAR MORE then the original (aka nothing different between written and unwritten).

    alnairItomon
  • djcdjc Member Posts: 76
    This is a must-have feature, I've been dreaming about something like this since 2001. However I consider the icon-based marking on the learned scrolls the most elegant and logical way to do this: IMHO Drakelores "check" symbol is just about right for the job. Spellbook icon would be fine too.

    But if the color based approach would be used, it should really be the unlearned spells, that are colored. It would follow the current logic of colored inventory items: colored state is always used to tell the player, that something should be done to the item: if it's red, it should be redistributed to someone able to use it. If it's blue, it should be identified. The target is always to get the item to its natural, uncolored state. In the case of a scroll this would be accomplished by learning it.

    FlashburnalnairAldericItomon
  • VortakaVortaka Member Posts: 173
    edited October 2013
    @djc: I'm with you for the unlearned spell approach... I dunno about the "check" however... Even though like some people said before (like myself), the green "toxic" tone might be a little overdone... But we are here, in this topic/poll for ideas on how to make the game better, right? :)

    alnair
  • RnRClownRnRClown Member Posts: 182
    I'm unsure about which colour or which graphic I would prefer. I am certain, though, that it is better to earmark "unknown" spells as opposed to "known". The amount of spells a character is going to "know" shall multiply as the game continues. It would scream clutter to see every scroll sporting an extra graphic, or a new colour, for the duration of the adventure. It would be much less bothersome to see a diminishing number of spells with a temporary earmark as the game progresses.

    All things said, it has never been too much trouble to remember which spells are scribed, and which are not, as well as which are currently available to cast from a scroll.

    alnairDino
  • AranthysAranthys Member Posts: 705
    Agreed :
    Even if the graphic isnt perfect yet please give us an option to mark each unknown spell by adding a line in the .ini file that enables / disables said option (disabled by default)

    Basillicumalnairdjc
  • djcdjc Member Posts: 76
    My sword is yours, @Aranthys : .ini toggle would be fine for now. However this feature should be made as default, once the best way to present it visually has been determined. These kind of additions really enhance the game.

    alnair
  • BasillicumBasillicum Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 400
    edited October 2013
    @Aranthys Thank you. I've been trying to suggest making more stuff optional so that anyone that is potentially aliented also can set their own preferences, but so far it doesn't seem like very many see it as an option to make things optional.

    Post edited by Basillicum on
    Thunder
  • DinoDino Member Posts: 290
    edited October 2013
    Greyscale 2 (not totally grey) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4a3ycim16re2ixc/GB-Ne-7mlU/Spell Greyscale 2.jpg
    I find myself always forgetting if green means known or unknown.

    A minimalistic check-mark (meaning of symbol registers quickly in the brain) for known spells *or* a color overlay for unknown spells (consistency with unidentified item overlay).
    Either would work.

  • ThunderSoulThunderSoul Member Posts: 125
    Greyscale 1 (Total grey) https://www.dropbox.com/s/th3yh9r9ndtpynb/Spell Greyscale 1.jpg
    Vortaka said:

    I've got 5 type of background and I'm sure others will want some more but it's just for an example...
    (It's a pain the poll entries cannot be edited, I'd remove the direct links)

    Has to be 1 or 2. The other colours do not indicative of "unknown". It wouldn't make sense to pick others. I think 1 is the most indicative colour.

  • ThunderThunder Member Posts: 157
    So far I like the suggestion of a tiny question or check mark in one of the top corners the most. Personally I would disable this feature if it colored the background or entire icon.

  • WayniacWayniac Member Posts: 132
    edited October 2013
    I really like the suggestion from @Infiltrator for the green box. I'd also like to make a suggestion of my own.

    I saw it mentioned earlier that every other color scheme can be "fixed" in some way. If an item is unusable, the color will go away once it becomes usable. If an item is unidentified, that too will go away once it is identified. If an spell is unknown BY A MAGE, a light shade of green is perfect, which will obviously go away once the spell is learned.

    What about sorcerer's? They're a different class completely, but can still cast spells. It would certainly be nice to quickly know what spells they already have in their book, but with that said, we don't want an entire inventory painted with green. My suggestion is that for sorcerer's, nothing is shaded and instead you use the small unobtrusive check mark. Since they can't learn the spell anyway, it makes more sense to me that a sorcerer would want to know what they have available and not what they do not. This quickly let's you know what spells you have in your sorcerer's spell book without having a glaring notification on every scroll you come across throughout the entire game.

    So a light shade of green for mages if the spell IS NOT known and a small unobtrusive check mark in one of the corners for sorcerer's if the spell IS known. I think that would appease just about everyone who seemed to have an issue with it one way or the other, right?

    And the spell should appear in an annoyingly bright mixture of pink, blue, and yellow for thieves who have obtained the UAI ability.

  • KougaKouga Member Posts: 83
    Personally, I want the background colour to really be a BACKground colour. The color should appear behind the scroll and not all over it, obsecuring the whole icon. The colours red (unable to learn) and green (already known) are fine as is. Maybe add blue for "being able to learn"?

    Just make sure they appear behind the icon, or atleast around it. Not over it.

    RnRClown
  • WayniacWayniac Member Posts: 132
    Wayniac said:

    So a light shade of green for mages if the spell IS NOT known and a small unobtrusive check mark in one of the corners for sorcerer's if the spell IS known.

    For a small unobtrusive check mark for the sorcerer, I would actually like to cast my vote for the suggestion made by @Alkalurops with the small spell symbol in the upper left corner. It's almost as if it is saying, "Hey! If you click the button that looks exactly like this, you too can cast this spell!"

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