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Least Powerful 4 Man Group

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  • chimaerachimaera Member Posts: 956
    edited September 2017
    @sarevok57
    You say that Garrick doesn't powergame that well, but that is not my experience with him. Xzar is my favourite mage, but he can't pull the same tricks due to lack of illusion spells. Xan can't cast web, which is the most powerful disabling aoe spell in BG1, and for which there is no wand. That said, debating which mage or bard is better is a bit of a moot point.

    If the goal is to build a party that is the least powerful in BG1, then adding any arcane spellcaster to that party - irrespective of their individual faults - adds a lot of power to the group. Heck, the frost wand alone is enough to kill Aec'Letec. With Garrick in your party it's as easy as buying the sleep wand, robbing the ankhegs nest (they have notoriously low saves) and there you go - first fireball wand. Lightning wand can be simply picked up in Beregost. Compare that to a group that has no one who can use wands, and that is a very noticeable difference in power early in the game already.

    The question isn't whether the group would be better if you replaced Garrick with another arcane caster, but wether the group would be worse if you replaced him with a non-arcane user.

    EDIT: At this point I have to agree with @Loldrup; the weakling party should include no casters whatsoever. (My mistake was to include Faldorn, but at high levels druid spells are pretty potent.)

    Artonabutteredsoul
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 5,718
    Wands are not just for casters. Anyone can use the Wand of Sleep and monks (including Rasaad) can use the Wand of the Heavens, which is just as powerful as the Wand of Frost

    tbone1
  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 4,977
    ThacoBell said:

    Not to mention that because of a Bard's crazy levelling, level scaling spells will always be stronger cast by a Bard than by a Mage.

    this is true of BG2 but no so much for bg1 since bards are at most 1 level ahead of a wizard

    OrlonKronsteen
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 10,031
    sarevok57 said:

    ThacoBell said:

    Not to mention that because of a Bard's crazy levelling, level scaling spells will always be stronger cast by a Bard than by a Mage.

    this is true of BG2 but no so much for bg1 since bards are at most 1 level ahead of a wizard
    By cap, yes. But early and midgame, its not uncommon for my Bard to be 2-3 levels ahead of my mage at any given time.

    OrlonKronsteen
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 5,718
    Bards are never more than 1 level ahead (assuming that mages and bards start on the same XP and receive the same amount of experience). They get up to a full level ahead at bard level 3 and maintain that until bard level 7, but after that the gap reduces to be less than a full level.

    OrlonKronsteenthespace
  • GreenWarlockGreenWarlock Member Posts: 1,354
    For the purpose of this thread, how does Garrick obtain elven chain without taking Dorn as well, to get the quest that gives it?

  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 10,031

    For the purpose of this thread, how does Garrick obtain elven chain without taking Dorn as well, to get the quest that gives it?

    He can't. Dorn MUST be in the party for it to work. Even after getting the quest, the final encounter will not spawn without Dorn.

  • tbone1tbone1 Member Posts: 1,995
    tbone1 said:

    I think the worst CHARNAME would be a fallen ranger who dualed to cleric at level 2, particularly a beast master or archer. In vanilla, you couldn't get your Ranger skills back, which included cleric spells and (oddly) turn undead, IIRC. With an archer, all you can ever have is proficiency in any weapon. A beast master will limit your weapons to club and staff, maybe sling, and your armor selection will be pretty limited.

    I haven't tried this in the EEs to see if all this holds; maybe I should

    For the record, I knew this was too good to be my insight. It was bothering me so I googled it and came up with this. I must have read this back in the day. http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136887&postcount=55

    StummvonBordwehr
  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 4,131

    For the purpose of this thread, how does Garrick obtain elven chain without taking Dorn as well, to get the quest that gives it?

    His chances for better armor increase with BGNPC Project as well. B)

  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 4,131
    I definitely can't put these in the group.
    Gypsy Bard, PC
    Tiax
    Xzar

    Maybe one with:
    Safana
    Alora
    Imoen
    a 4th...
    er, uhm...shoot, not that either.
    Darned if it ain't hard to pick a group as least powerful, as when I start to I begin thinking of all their strong points combined with items, NPC EE, and a particular play style.

    A hard question after playing for a while. I thought a 73pt WS would not be that good but darned if he didn't leave some messes laying about.

    ThacoBell
  • tbone1tbone1 Member Posts: 1,995
    Okay, I just confirmed that, at least in V1.3 of BGEE, if you have a fallen ranger and dual to a cleric, you do lose the ability to cast divine spells. You can still turn undead, but divine spells are gone.

    GreenWarlockLoldrupsemiticgodthespace
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