Throwing builds in bg2ee

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• Enuhal Member, Moderator Posts: 943

  October 2017

  Just mentioning that darts, unlike other throwing weapons, do NOT profit from strength bonuses.

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• DevardKrown Member Posts: 421

  October 2017

  Honestly if you play pure dart in any fighter setup you will loose out later on just by hitting max APR i prefer the Daggers greatly since they come with 2 APR and leave the option for melee combat. (and they do have the str dmg bonus)
  
  
  
  id go Swash6/Fighter. (2AC 1+hit/dmg, cant backstab)
  
  with grand mastery in dagger and club as backup. has the benefit that you can go full plate armor and have more hp
  
  and your daggers will almost hit those 5 natural APR. (2 base 1 Grandmaster 1 Figher13 1/2 gloves) if you have basic haste you have the 5 APR if not 4,5APR
  
  
  
  the assasin9/fighter works too ,
  but you kinda have to dump ALL your thief points into stealth and move silently, you lose out on HP and AC , poison weapon is weak now and if you want to utilize backstabbing you have to limit yourself to leather armor 24/7. also you have to lug around a extra thief in your party while the swash6 can get away with being the only thief (pop out that plate armor and 100% pickpocket trapfinding are yours)
  
  

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• B4nJ0 Member Posts: 93

  October 2017 edited October 2017

  A couple of points after I tested out this build from bg1 till middle bg2 (scs/ascension)
  
  party comp
  
  assa9/fighter
  ber7/cleric
  ken9/wiz
  inqui (modded down)
  
  
  I would say that overhall the buff to throw weapon (but NOT dart, thx for the call) is so good to be a gamechanger if you were used to run with a focussed ranged char in your runs.
  
  
  
  
  Throw weapon considerations:
  
  Throwing weapons are impressive, and I think that the best build is by far pure kensai. You are basically an archer, but with the best ranged weapon in bg1 (throwing daggers) and, in late bg2, you can switch to melee dual when needed wich is a HUGE props. Half way in the middle you will have both 5 pips in axes and daggers, giving you the possibility to pick the best weapon for your chapter needing, since you will have a bit to wait for firetooth but, thx god, axes are not only good in late ToB, but they are pretty good in middle BG2 as well with multiple picks avaible.
  
  In fact, there are so many good axes in early bg2 (plus the usual tob+5 suspect) that you have an optimal set up at any stage of the game, add throw daggers (bg1) and firetooth (late bg2) and you have a PERFECT ranged char ALL game long.
  
  Ranged Kensai is basically an archer, but now is way stronger in bg1 AND late bg2, while remaining the same powerhouse in the beginning of bg2 (and you have to add better exp table on top of it, like it wasn't enough)
  
  So, we got assa nerfed, cleric/ranger nerfed AND a buff to throw weapons.
  
  I had no reason to dual anything other then kensai even in the 1st day of bg2, but now is even worst, given that archer kit, one of the few exceptions to this rule, is now sub optimal as well.
  
  
  Thief personal considerations:
  
  Assassin sucks now that poison got nerfed, and talking about thieves skills I never felt the needing in bg for anything more then 100 detect illusion (which is by far the best rogue skill) with a plus for trap/unlock if you dont want to metagame the *** out of it. Move sil/stealth has always been embarassing skills due to itemitation, at least imo (u can have the same thing or, to be honest, even better with a clock and a ring, CMON). That said my assa9 has 100 trap/unlock and leftover detect (something embarassing like 10?:P) given the tome of +1dex spent on him.
  
  They are still whey they have always been in bg saga, ok char to have but not must have (like clerics). All this game ask you is 10apr and magic spells, and I don't get the poison nerf at all (like blackguard was better the inquisitor or kensai/mage at any patch point, KAPPA).
  
  Basically, the only thing that keep me out most of the time from kensai9/thief is that I dont want to have 2 chars screwed at the same time, so the super fast regain of swash6/fighter is usually easier for me to handle, no matter what it's a pretty underpowered char so I pick ez levelling over the slighty better version.
  
  Anyway things got even worst then usual, maybe I played too much this game, but today I wanted to restart the run with the single class kensai, till I realized I was ending up at lvl 1 with a team of 4 kensai out of 4 people and that seemed a bit depressing ç_ç
  
  Im basically down at 5 builds playable in scs/ascension for a sweet run:
  
  kensai9/mage (2x/3x)
  kensai9/thief or swash6/fighter (0x/1x)
  bers7/cleric (0x/1x)
  kensai ranged (0x/1x)
  inquisitor (0x/1x)
  
  When a game gets too old and the metagame too deep. It's like playing the same patch of dota 2 for 10 years in a row
  
  

  Post edited by B4nJ0 on October 2017

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