They aren't illusions. You even run into two of them again
In the Candlekeep catacombs.
Thank you, I mentioned that in my earlier post but I wasn't 100% sure they were real (I definitely remember meeting them YESTERDAY, but saved right after so I wasn't sure if they were tricking me or not). You are validation that I am not COMPLETELY crazy....hehe...
You're not supposed to obtain items in that training area. Finding out some way to do so regardless is not legit. Setting some arbitrary standards like you just did doesn't work.
Was a familiar even part of the game back then? No.
he's being crystal clear about his standards and those are very common sense: use the tools the game gives you to solve problems within the game.
if doing that has an undesired effect from the standpoint of game design (causing some imbalance, or something inappropriate in the context of the game as a whole) than it's a problem of guess what: flawed game design, and not of somebody cheating as you would rather arbitrarily put it.
also there's no "back then's". it's like saying that batman should still wear a silver suit because he used to wear it in the past. well now there's a new edition of batman just like there's a new edition of BG, and the fact the edition is flawed doesn't change the fact that what exists is an intentionally different, supposedly superior brand-new edition.
No, Carsomyr just has every class, except Paladin, excluded. They probably thought it would be silly to compile such a long 'unusable by' list, so the text was changed.
You're not supposed to obtain items in that training area. Finding out some way to do so regardless is not legit. Setting some arbitrary standards like you just did doesn't work.
Was a familiar even part of the game back then? No.
he's being crystal clear about his standards and those are very common sense: use the tools the game gives you to solve problems within the game.
if doing that has an undesired effect from the standpoint of game design (causing some imbalance, or something inappropriate in the context of the game as a whole) than it's a problem of guess what: flawed game design, and not of somebody cheating as you would rather arbitrarily put it.
also there's no "back then's". it's like saying that batman should still wear a silver suit because he used to wear it in the past. well now there's a new edition of batman just like there's a new edition of BG, and the fact the edition is flawed doesn't change the fact that what exists is an intentionally different, supposedly superior brand-new edition.
@bob_veng Excuse me sir, did you just imply that Batman is flawed? In any way? Oh, them's be fighting words... (Please note the humor, this thread seems to be very tense as is)
If they're playing single player, I don't really care what people exploit. Have fun with it, people, if that is what floats your boat. I don't exploit, but I re-roll like a mad dog (which is another exploit); purists would say 'roll once' - if that is how they play and enjoy, then God bless them. If somebody else wants to get their hands on something they shouldn't through a loophole, that's between them and them.
@IN1 I didn't ever mean to be offensive even once in this thread, dude. You seem to be very determined, however, that I'm just a big jerk and nothing will convince you otherwise. You also seem determined not to read the actually important parts of my post, you'd rather have an off-topic flame toss, so I'm done here.
@bob_veng Glad that humor can exist even amongst a flame-war thread.
@reedmilfam I agree, rerolling is something I just can't avoid. It feels like a part of the game to me, especially since I wasn't aware of CTRL+8 until I joined the forums (not that I use it, I prefer rerolling for NEAR perfect stats, or at least very good stats, not all 18s).
>You seem to be very determined, however, that I'm just a big jerk and nothing will convince you >otherwise.
Oh, you presume to occupy too much place in my thoughts I'm just not interested in any sort of discussion with you. That simple. Take it or leave it (preferably, the latter, if 'it' is the thread).
Anyway, I think you have to enable cheats for CTRL8 to work, but I'm not sure. I've managed to just
♫ roll roll roll my boat ♫ gently down the stream ♪ merrily ♪ merrily ♫...
This has gotten me some really good characters, even if they have a dumpstat or three. It only seems to really matter super early when you have poor class benefits and even poorer survivability
(hello, brown and black bears, to say nothing of ogres)
in the initial areas. Once you gain a party and some levelage, you're at least able to manage the risk of venturing forth.
I think my position was expressed in some detail elsewhere in this thread. Anyway, it has nothing to do with 'feeling better about myself'. In other words, your pretentious attempts at faux-psychoanalysis are not appreciated
@reedmilfam That Quartz guy is just...he's such a jerk! I definitely don't agree with almost everything he says and have a fun comment war about his profile picture change...:D
Thank you for the song, it makes me feel like my extra half-hour of play time due to rolling and rolling...and rolling... is not wasted.
And I generally have the CLUA enabled in case a glitch comes up, and I still didn't realize CTRL+8 existed for a long time.
I think my position was expressed in some detail elsewhere in this thread. Anyway, it has nothing to do with 'feeling better about myself'. In other words, your pretentious attempts at faux-psychoanalysis are not appreciated
Oh gosh. This guy really is gonna be a complete hoot to have around.
Do people who do things like this feel better about themselves than if they just used the CLUA console to cheat?
yes, and they should feel better if, after all, they're determined to do it. what's worse - cheating or using a somewhat devious exploit (requires some creativity at least)?
edit: and, everybody, quit the talk about wheter's it's illusions etc. none of that obscures the fact that it's an exploit (legit, but undesirable) and not a cheat (non-legit). severe exploits (like this one) are usually treated as bugs and people on the 'legit side' seem to be aware of that here, so we don't have in issue - either it gets fixed (hopeso) or it doesn't.
I think my position was expressed in some detail elsewhere in this thread. Anyway, it has nothing to do with 'feeling better about myself'. In other words, your pretentious attempts at faux-psychoanalysis are not appreciated
Oh gosh. This guy really is gonna be a complete hoot to have around.
Do people who do things like this feel better about themselves than if they just used the CLUA console to cheat?
yes, and they should feel better if, after all, they're determined to do it. what's worse - cheating or using a somewhat devious exploit (requires some creativity at least)?
As to what's worse, it depends on A.) Whose perspective? and B.) Whether it was a "hey cool, I found this nifty little trick" or if they went "let's just look online at any new exploits to use"
Hey now, for us Psyche majors who are just in their first two years of College, Psyche 101 is an eye-opener! Let us use something that we learned (even if we can't fully understand it yet).
Do people who do things like this feel better about themselves than if they just used the CLUA console to cheat?
yes, and they should feel better if, after all, they're determined to do it. what's worse - cheating or using a somewhat devious exploit (requires some creativity at least)?
I agree. Even more so if you devised the method yourself, as the OP did.
Anyway, I always feel bad after using a cheat, so I don't (except to correct mistakes or bugs). But exploits: sometimes I do, sometimes I feel it could spoil the game. The line between legit or not is sometimes blurred.
It's odd how a thread that starts with one of the world's most amazing things, a ferret, can end up where it has. Forums are a bit like an area of pure Wild Magic or something.
Do people who do things like this feel better about themselves than if they just used the CLUA console to cheat?
yes, and they should feel better if, after all, they're determined to do it. what's worse - cheating or using a somewhat devious exploit (requires some creativity at least)?
As to what's worse, it depends on A.) Whose perspective? and B.) Whether it was a "hey cool, I found this nifty little trick" or if they went "let's just look online at any new exploits to use"
good questions, even more so since they are answerable. by me. here follows:
a) from the standpoint of the 'ideal gamer deity' who wants everybody who plays BG:EE (and every other game) to experience pure enjoyment and bliss for as long as possible, while enduring the challenges the game provides in a manly way and not resorting to insta-gratification fixes such as exploiting or cheating like a pussy, thus killing the game and making the said deity very sad.
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Nice to see you are actually back in business thanks to BG:EE.
if doing that has an undesired effect from the standpoint of game design (causing some imbalance, or something inappropriate in the context of the game as a whole) than it's a problem of guess what: flawed game design, and not of somebody cheating as you would rather arbitrarily put it.
also there's no "back then's". it's like saying that batman should still wear a silver suit because he used to wear it in the past. well now there's a new edition of batman just like there's a new edition of BG, and the fact the edition is flawed doesn't change the fact that what exists is an intentionally different, supposedly superior brand-new edition.
No, Carsomyr just has every class, except Paladin, excluded. They probably thought it would be silly to compile such a long 'unusable by' list, so the text was changed.
Oh, them's be fighting words...
(Please note the humor, this thread seems to be very tense as is)
Glad that humor can exist even amongst a flame-war thread.
@reedmilfam
I agree, rerolling is something I just can't avoid. It feels like a part of the game to me, especially since I wasn't aware of CTRL+8 until I joined the forums (not that I use it, I prefer rerolling for NEAR perfect stats, or at least very good stats, not all 18s).
@Quartz
Man, you are such a jerk! :P
>You seem to be very determined, however, that I'm just a big jerk and nothing will convince you >otherwise.
Oh, you presume to occupy too much place in my thoughts
"I'm just not interested in any sort of discussion with you."
*Has to get in the last word*
Seems legit...
Anyway, I think you have to enable cheats for CTRL8 to work, but I'm not sure. I've managed to just
♫ roll roll roll my boat ♫ gently down the stream ♪ merrily ♪ merrily ♫...
This has gotten me some really good characters, even if they have a dumpstat or three. It only seems to really matter super early when you have poor class benefits and even poorer survivability
I used to, but then I
took an arrow to the kneedecided against it, for a few reasons (mentioned on page 1).I think my position was expressed in some detail elsewhere in this thread. Anyway, it has nothing to do with 'feeling better about myself'. In other words, your pretentious attempts at faux-psychoanalysis are not appreciated
If it's the former, the familiar trick would be technically legitimate.
That Quartz guy is just...he's such a jerk! I definitely don't agree with almost everything he says and have a fun comment war about his profile picture change...:D
Thank you for the song, it makes me feel like my extra half-hour of play time due to rolling and rolling...and rolling... is not wasted.
And I generally have the CLUA enabled in case a glitch comes up, and I still didn't realize CTRL+8 existed for a long time.
No, no other method that I'm aware of.
what's worse - cheating or using a somewhat devious exploit (requires some creativity at least)?
edit: and, everybody, quit the talk about wheter's it's illusions etc. none of that obscures the fact that it's an exploit (legit, but undesirable) and not a cheat (non-legit).
severe exploits (like this one) are usually treated as bugs and people on the 'legit side' seem to be aware of that here, so we don't have in issue - either it gets fixed (hopeso) or it doesn't.
You are too kind. Actually, I have a post-doctoral dissertation in a completely different area
Anyway, I always feel bad after using a cheat, so I don't (except to correct mistakes or bugs). But exploits: sometimes I do, sometimes I feel it could spoil the game. The line between legit or not is sometimes blurred.
a) from the standpoint of the 'ideal gamer deity' who wants everybody who plays BG:EE (and every other game) to experience pure enjoyment and bliss for as long as possible, while enduring the challenges the game provides in a manly way and not resorting to insta-gratification fixes such as exploiting or cheating like a pussy, thus killing the game and making the said deity very sad.
b) the first one