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How would you get out of this sticky situation?

I'm currently playing through multiplayer with a friend, and though only I've played it before, I let him be host as I wanted him to experience being the Bhaalspawn himself. We've just cleared out the Nashkel mines, and managed to get wiped out (save the main PC) in Tazok's camp.

Forgetting dropped loot doesn't stay on the floor indefinitely, I sent him back to the Friendly Arm to resurrect his fallen comrades, but on return to the camp our equipment had gone. And alas, due to his lack of experience he hadn't been using multiple save slots.

Somehow we've ended up with a reputation of 2, so we can't just saunter back into town to get companions or tool up. We've managed to buy some basic gear (the front-liners are wearing studded leather!) but it's obviously not good enough and we're getting our butts royally kicked, especially in ranged combat.

So, how would you go about continuing the game in a way that's not going to alienate a new player (like a restart or exploit), getting a little more gold and reputation and getting back on track?

Current party is CHARNAME (Thief), Me (Jester), Kagain, Neera and Viconia. We've tried to get Shar-Teel but just can't get through the basilisks. Bear in mind I'm playing with someone who isn't very experienced.
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  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    One more thing, I've already lost Xzar, Montaron and Edwin in an irreversible fashion.
  • MERLANCEMERLANCE Member Posts: 421
    Do you have enough gold to spend at a temple, like the one east of Beregost, to raise your reputation? That would be a good start to being able to go back into towns without flaming fist showing up.
  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    Our latest shopping spree has left us with the grand total of about 20 gold, so anywhere I can make some quick cash would be welcome too!
  • MERLANCEMERLANCE Member Posts: 421
    Have you picked up the Ring of Wizardry from outside the Friendly Arm Inn? You can sell that for 9000.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    Well I've never played multiplayer before (don't really have any friends who play BG) so I don't know how it works. Can you use the CLUAConsole?
  • and_then_orand_then_or Member Posts: 107


    *SPOILER*





    And the diamond in the tree in the area just to the east of Candlekeep (the area where the Gorion ambush occurred). The diamond is located in a tree knot along the cobbled road on the eastern (rigth) side of the map
  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    I think I gave Edwin the Ring Of Wizadry, who had a hissy fit and left because we wanted to go kill Tazok before the Gnoll fortress.

    All over that diamond, thanks for the heads-up
  • MERLANCEMERLANCE Member Posts: 421
    Okay, no big payday from that... either way your first priority has got to be to get some gold and up your reputation.

    On the second floor of an Inn in Beregost is a magical mace, The stupefier, you can sell that I think for 1500 or so. Of course, that involves going into Beregost.

    To the east of the gnoll fortress, there is a cave that has a Halberd +1 in it. Thats good for some money.

    Since you cant go to the cloakwood yet, since you didnt win in the Bandit Camp, you cant go Wyvern hunting.

    Theres the suit of Ankheg plate in a field in the southwest of Nashkel, that sells for 2500.

    Winter Wolves are fairly common to run into on the southernmost maps, like the outside of the Nashkel mines. Merchant in Nashkel pays 500 each per pelt.
  • JalilyJalily Member Posts: 4,681
    You could temporarily drop off Viconia to get your reputation high enough to go back to town. Grab the free Ankheg plate in Nashkel and the mace in Beregost that @MERLANCE mentioned. In Beregost, you can also do Firebead Elvenhair's quest for an easy +1 reputation.

    Other ways to gain reputation without combat:
    - Pick up Samuel on the map east of the Nashkel mines and bring him to the temple at the Friendly Arm Inn. This quest is timed, so head for the FAI as soon as you get him.
    - In the area southwest of Nashkel, pick up the cat in the waterfall to the south and give it the crying girl.

    Then you should be able to take back Viconia and still go to town without worries.
  • PugPugPugPug Member Posts: 560
    MERLANCE said:

    Do you have enough gold to spend at a temple, like the one east of Beregost, to raise your reputation? That would be a good start to being able to go back into towns without flaming fist showing up.

    If you look in the manual, buying reputation has been nerfed to the point it is no longer practical early in the game.
  • MERLANCEMERLANCE Member Posts: 421
    He doesnt have to get it to 18, just 6ish so that guys dont come to kill him whenever he comes into civilization.
  • mantaavoidmantaavoid Member Posts: 6
    If you're afraid of teaching this person the consequences of their actions, then by all means don't start a new game. I think you're about royally fucked, because of him.
  • AllbrotherAllbrother Member Posts: 262
    Not because of him, because of you
    You're the more experienced player, you should've known to do easier stuff until you level and get some decent equipment

    As things stand, other than roaming the countryside in search of loot, there's not much else you can do
  • jolly_bbjolly_bb Member Posts: 122
    If this is your mate's first playthrough, she/he is so inexperienced, why did not you make it a lil'bit easier for yourselves, so that your pal is not frustrated? Jester and a Thief? Seriously?

    That said i play avenger, assassin etc. myself, but i'm not getting frustrated due to inexperience, so i can afford it.

    First playthrough for someone - me suggests a fighter or smght.

    I know this post is a bit post-factum, so does not help... :)
  • BaccaBacca Member Posts: 10
    Thunderhammer Smithy in Beregost is empty at 3 in the morning. Lock pick your way in and then lock pick the chests. Grab the gear and then sell it all back to Thunderhammer in the morning.

    That way should yield some much needed gold (there's a +1 Longsword in there I think) and should fit in with your Thief's role-play if you're into that.

    You could also go to the Lighthouse with the Sirens nearby. Detail your best fighter and send him in on his own. Keep your party well out of harms way and well out of sight. The Sirens will dire charm the fighter but won't kill him as the fight is scripted so your fighter goes after the rest of your party, as your fighter can't see your party he will just stand there. In-between dire charms you should be able to eventually kill off the Sirens for good exp and pearls which sell for 100g each.
  • PantalionPantalion Member Posts: 2,137
    What level is Viconia? If she's hit level 5, you can have her do nothing but spam Animate Dead; they can carve through Basilisks (nice exp and loot), and Sirines, giving you their shinies and allowing you to slink to the Temple east of Beregost to bribe your reputation back up.
  • and_then_orand_then_or Member Posts: 107

    The Barge quest comes to mind. When you pick him up you get zinged right to the temple.
  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    Thanks for the advice guys. I know I've made this harder for us but for me the beauty of the game is its non-linearity and reactive world and I wanted my friend to experience that, which is why I've been so hands-off with the decisions he's been making. And although I'm a big fan of the game, I'm hardly an oracle of knowledge on it. Didn't know that taking Viccy had an automatic reputation penalty, for example.

    Still, plenty of stuff to try in this thread. We might reach Cloakwood yet!
  • moopymoopy Member Posts: 938
    @Heya

    Alternatively this could be a great now we've learned what not to do. Like pissing off the entire world.
    Lets start over and try this again.
  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    Nah, a restart is out of the question really, he's been enjoying it but I can't ask him to do those sodding mines again with BG's pathfinding. And no, I'm not asking him to edit the .ini file either :)
  • moopymoopy Member Posts: 938
    @Heya
    I've never noticed the path finding, but then I normally click to walk like an inch at a time.
  • and_then_orand_then_or Member Posts: 107
    @moopy

    Want to move to a point in an area you've already explored? (say you've entered the Bergost map and you want to head to Feldposts)

    Press 'm' - brings up map
    Click on Feldposts - view rectagle 'sanps'
    Press 'esc'- now looking at Felposts, screen is dark cause not in charnames view
    Click on the ground - charname/group begins to walk.

    Now go top off your drink or whatever. When you come back to the game charname is there.

    If you do this in the wilderness be sure to turn on the 'auto-pause on seeing enemy' in the options menu.
  • RhymeRhyme Member Posts: 190
    Have you offered a restart to him as a possibility? Because, seriously, man...

    If you're trying to sell your friend on "This is an awesomely fun game!" then he needs to be having fun. If you're stuck, struggling to get unstuck runs a serious risk of being utterly frustrating and unfun. For every suggestion in this thread of "You can gain some rep/money by doing this," there's a task you have to do, and a consequence attached to that task, and often you're giving up valuable stuff just in the effort to regroup. That flies in the face of the natural game progression of "Do stuff, get stuff, do more stuff, get better stuff!"

    Furthermore, most of the stuff you're going to have to do to get back on your feet is going to take you out of the main storyline, and will probably take a while. You're not going exploring under the best of circumstances, and this will be your friend's first exposure to that stuff... Is it going to be an enjoyable way for him to experience that stuff?

    You should really ask him (if you haven't already). Maybe now that he's experienced a reputation of 2, and how difficult things can be with a thief/jester duo, he might want to roll a Ranger and use a longbow. You won't know if you don't ask. Don't make this your decision just because you don't want to do the mines again.
  • ElofElof Member Posts: 42
    How would you get out of this sticky situation?
    Find a rich man, and kill him, then find another rich man and kill him too! Hack and slash your way to fortune WOOHOO!
  • DuggeDankDuggeDank Member Posts: 2
    Haha, I love how you managed to get yourself in such a bad spot :)
    And loving even more how you are actually trying to get out of it, I wish I had a friend willing to play Baldurs Gate for the first time.
    Although that situation in particular is pretty bad, it would be fun to be part of smaller stuff like that :)

    I just power game and exploit my way through games, I've realised... Will wait another month for them to update this and then I'll go through it in proper roleplaying style, not hunting for everything hidden and always using the superior items... Although I still want to find the new companions quick, so I'll probably race to them just to have them around for longer.

    Sorry I can't help much more than wishing you good luck with your quest :)
  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    It's not the classes we've picked, the Jester's bard song has been wonderfully handy for taking out groups, and him being a thief means he's more versatile than your average meat shield. He's also chosen to be evil, so we're not interested in taking the goody two shoes route anyway. We're just in need of a couple of easy rep points and enough cash for a couple of sets of scale mail - it's not all over for our party, surely?
  • KurumiKurumi Member Posts: 520
    edited December 2012
    Need another simple reputation point? help Ardrouine! (Lighthouse Map) - just kill the Worgs at the Lighthouse and talk to her (you can find her a little bit SE of the Lighthouse).
  • BISHDPBISHDP Member Posts: 19
    I could be wrong but I don't think that merchants will talk to you if you have a rep lower than 3. Selling stuff may be out of the question until you get your rep a little higher. Dropping Viconia may allow you to get back to a 4 and then you can sell stuff.
  • HeyaHeya Member Posts: 55
    DuggeDank said:

    Haha, I love how you managed to get yourself in such a bad spot :)
    And loving even more how you are actually trying to get out of it, I wish I had a friend willing to play Baldurs Gate for the first time.
    Although that situation in particular is pretty bad, it would be fun to be part of smaller stuff like that :)

    I just power game and exploit my way through games, I've realised... Will wait another month for them to update this and then I'll go through it in proper roleplaying style, not hunting for everything hidden and always using the superior items... Although I still want to find the new companions quick, so I'll probably race to them just to have them around for longer.

    Sorry I can't help much more than wishing you good luck with your quest :)

    That's the spirit! We're semi-roleplaying so a restart would just feel like a bit of a fudge at this point.

    To be honest, I've no idea how the reputation got so low in the first place. Only overtly evil things we've done as far as I can tell remember is pick up Viconia, help Silke and we might have murdered that posh git from Neverwinter just before Nashkel.
  • ThorssonThorsson Member Posts: 190
    The Ankheg Plate is too good to sell IMO. Wearing it will make a huge difference to your main Tank. Same goes for the Mace. I'd use those items to help you complete some bits. Other than that, use spells and rest often - use the Thief to scout areas if he can hide in shadows. If he can pick locks then visit all the available areas and break into chests (but make sure you don't get spotted).

    You can kill the Basilisks easily if you use Undead to tank. Even easier if your Mage (Neera) has Protection from Petrification spell.
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