Oh but @Coutelier that's just the thing: she was to turn into a dove just ONCE. It would be during this flight that she finally come to terms with what she had lost but also what she has gain. The event would both harden but also heal her, so to speak. And it was after this event she would begin using her new voicesset which she has in ToB! It was cut along with so many other things (like Minsc's quest/search for Boo, who would suddenly disappear) due to time restrains.
Aerie turns into a dove?
In a quest that was cut. You were supposed to find a scroll in the Harper hold, and she had the option. Although as I recall it, she could either turn and fly away, or be talked out of it in which case her voiceset changes to the ToB one. A stripped down version of the planned dialogue does appear if she romances Haer'Dalis, when she dumps him, basically.
I think it was cut for the reasons I said, but also because it was supposed to happen in Brynnlaw after her being kidnapped by a wizard there. You already lose one NPC on that island, so it would be silly to lose another since it'll be a while before you can recruit any more.
Allowing her one flight might not be too bad, though.
Oh absolutely, it would've been needed to be implemented propertly, @Coutelier, both gamewise and storywise. It's just... well... I really like the idea. But I'm pretty cheesy, so... ^^
I tried a couple of them but I have to say, it kind of felt like the whole romance thing didn't really come off very well. For my taste anyway.
In some ways I'd rather see more interesting relationships develop, as you simply get to know the character better. This should extend to all NPCs. And have them not just be romantic relationships, but rather just learning more about them. This could even include arguing with someone a lot. Hell, it could even turn into a fight.
But anyway, that's not the game we have. Maybe for BG: Next.
I find most romances annoying and cheesy. So far, Dorn seems ok because it could all pass as a friendship and that is the thing I'd be way more interested in. Like @Lemernis says, I would rather learn more about all my party members instead of heavily focussing on one, in a preset way. It seems odd that everyone you meet either falls in love with you or basically gives a shit about you. I'd like to find my fireforged best friend, my intellectually challenging rival, my frenemy, my fatherly/motherly mentor or just someone I can have a drink and a good laugh with.
jaheira i felt was the most in depth. it has a lot of side quest stuff going on, but i like that even though that makes it challenging for a beginner. also, things happen faster in games than in real life, so i can get over the khalid thing. besides, she spends pretty much the first half of the romance still thinking of him.
I know the romances aren't for everyone. And I can respect that, heck, I can *understand* that: as much as I like the romances myself, I know they're not perfect. An exemple would be the buildup for Aerie's relationship: as @Coutelier pointed out, it could have been better. And that's just one example.
Well anyway, @KidCarnival, having those kind of relationships with other NPCs would be bloody awesome! The depth it could give them, the likability... Yes, I sincerely hope that these kind of relationships shows up in BG: Next along with romances. That way everyone will (hopefully) be happy.
Well, I also agree; I'm not actually a huge fan of any of the romances. The main reason I play them is to learn a bit more about the characters, but it would be great if there were friendship paths for all the NPCs.
Maybe I'll do that if I ever do make that mod I mentioned. If you're romancing her as well, it might change some of the dialogue and reward a bit, but the quest and friendship talks will be there for everyone.
I like the romance idea a lot. I think any story is made better with a good romance. Kind of like getting sprinkles on your ice cream; no matter how good it is, its better with sprinkles.
And yeah, I'm kind of being silly. Not every story really needs it (especially War Movies, I can't even tell you how many good war movies were ruined by some contrived romance...). But I definitely think BG2 was better for the way they did it. I'd never seen anything like it in a game before, and I thought it was a total blast.
In my headcanon, CHARNAME and Keldorn formed a deep attachment--unrequited, for obvious reasons, and unspoken. At the end, he returned to his *SPOILER* and she became the *SPOILER*.
I thought Anomen was an interesting character, and liked the romance overall, but it did strike some sour notes. I liked the character development, his chivalry, and his loyalty. His neediness and touchiness were not so great.
I've never tried the female romances, as I always play female protagonist. I must admit, unromanced Aerie, Jaheira, and Viconia rank pretty near bottom on my list of tolerable NPCs.
only done one playthrough so far and it was a close call between Jaheira and Viconia, picked Viconia in the end but want to try Jaheira in my next game as she also sounds interesting Aerie just whines to much for me so don't know when I'll try her
@jimkay Oh I doubt they did her *that* bad intentionally. And even if they did... there's nothing enjoyable about her. I mean, at all. That mod is so bad that it is baaad. But hey that's just how I feel about it - it is nothing personal against the modmakers and everyone is entitled to their own opinions!
The best romance is the one in the Edwin Romance mod, deep affection born from endless snarking, sniping and sarcasm.
Viconia's is pretty good though.
Strange, I would have voted that one for "most out of character BS"... but only because no-one has made a Korgan romance mod in which he becomes a flamboyant feminist.
The best romance is the one in the Edwin Romance mod, deep affection born from endless snarking, sniping and sarcasm.
Viconia's is pretty good though.
Strange, I would have voted that one for "most out of character BS"... but only because no-one has made a Korgan romance mod in which he becomes a flamboyant feminist.
Well... Yeah, you have a point. I just enjoyed it a lot.
The best romance is the one in the Edwin Romance mod, deep affection born from endless snarking, sniping and sarcasm.
Viconia's is pretty good though.
Strange, I would have voted that one for "most out of character BS"... but only because no-one has made a Korgan romance mod in which he becomes a flamboyant feminist.
Well... Yeah, you have a point. I just enjoyed it a lot.
I didn't say I wouldn't play a Korgan-goes-feminism mod... if only for the lulz.
Edwin would be on top of my list for a "intellectually challenging frenemy" path, pretty much what Lemernis mentioned above: an NPC to argue with a lot. Same for Korgan, though he could also be the "fireforged friend", depending on how much of a jerk Charname is.
poor anomen. he was not bad IMO, it's just that viconia is better. and he is brilliant compared to that whiny winged sob-pile. would vote him if i could change the vote now. :P
Maybe if there were more female forum members, Anomen would get some votes. He can't be that bad, can he? Someone must have something positive to say about him. I mean, he's not Cernd, so that's a good thing, right?
Hm, I guess... his portrait isn't completely repulsive? That's not outright *positive*, as I like the art style of the BG2 portraits and there is no BG1 version to overshadow it and none of the portraits is completely repulsive, but it's also not negative...? Does that count?
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I think it was cut for the reasons I said, but also because it was supposed to happen in Brynnlaw after her being kidnapped by a wizard there. You already lose one NPC on that island, so it would be silly to lose another since it'll be a while before you can recruit any more.
Allowing her one flight might not be too bad, though.
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/3310/the-cut-content-in-bg2
Edit: You're tooo slow, Sniiiimon. :P
Oh absolutely, it would've been needed to be implemented propertly, @Coutelier, both gamewise and storywise. It's just... well... I really like the idea. But I'm pretty cheesy, so... ^^
In some ways I'd rather see more interesting relationships develop, as you simply get to know the character better. This should extend to all NPCs. And have them not just be romantic relationships, but rather just learning more about them. This could even include arguing with someone a lot. Hell, it could even turn into a fight.
But anyway, that's not the game we have. Maybe for BG: Next.
Well anyway, @KidCarnival, having those kind of relationships with other NPCs would be bloody awesome! The depth it could give them, the likability... Yes, I sincerely hope that these kind of relationships shows up in BG: Next along with romances. That way everyone will (hopefully) be happy.
Edit: Spelling errors irks me something fierce!
Maybe I'll do that if I ever do make that mod I mentioned. If you're romancing her as well, it might change some of the dialogue and reward a bit, but the quest and friendship talks will be there for everyone.
And yeah, I'm kind of being silly. Not every story really needs it (especially War Movies, I can't even tell you how many good war movies were ruined by some contrived romance...). But I definitely think BG2 was better for the way they did it. I'd never seen anything like it in a game before, and I thought it was a total blast.
Seriously, The Rolling Stone's song "She's A Rainbow" reminds me of that romance because I played it nearly non-stop near the end of the game.
It still makes me emotional.
I thought Anomen was an interesting character, and liked the romance overall, but it did strike some sour notes. I liked the character development, his chivalry, and his loyalty. His neediness and touchiness were not so great.
I've never tried the female romances, as I always play female protagonist. I must admit, unromanced Aerie, Jaheira, and Viconia rank pretty near bottom on my list of tolerable NPCs.
Aerie just whines to much for me so don't know when I'll try her
1. I'm straight male
2. I don't have drow fetish
3. Jaheira is as unpleasant and blunt as me.
wait..I like the ending...no I don't..
I'm confusing myself...
Viconia on the other hand lets you get away with sleeping with others, how can you not like that......
Viconia's is pretty good though.
Oh I doubt they did her *that* bad intentionally. And even if they did... there's nothing enjoyable about her. I mean, at all. That mod is so bad that it is baaad. But hey that's just how I feel about it - it is nothing personal against the modmakers and everyone is entitled to their own opinions!
Edwin would be on top of my list for a "intellectually challenging frenemy" path, pretty much what Lemernis mentioned above: an NPC to argue with a lot. Same for Korgan, though he could also be the "fireforged friend", depending on how much of a jerk Charname is.
OTOH, he is Anomen...