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What NPCS would you like to see in BG1 (or even 2)?


I am not overly fond of the choices made on the 3 (now 4) new NPCs. I figured I should say something since maybe it will affect BG2's dev't. Or, they would be added now to BG E. What NPCS WOULD you have preferred to see added with their own content?

I do feel that most of the better NPCS in the game are evil (Dorn, Edwin, Viconia, etc.).

Personally, I'm not looking for E Alignments so the sorcerer and half orc aren't useful to me. The monk just doesn't have good stats and as a weak class when low level who can't use much equipment, higher stats would have been better. And Neera is just too...random...to be included in the party for long.

I would have liked a N or G Priest that is better than Bronwen--there is a lot of room to add other gods, so it's certainty possible. Either one who is a stronger fighter due to their god and their stats or, assuming priests of the god of thieves don't have to evil, that is possible, especially since the game can be light on thieves. N might work since I hear the E parties are even lighter on thieves.

Another option would be adding a race from a different ADND campaign worlds, ether through a Spelljammer type ship landing (and departure (he missed the ship leaving) , or crash). I seem to remember multi-armed bugs from Red Sun, but I am sure there are other options. I also remember dinosaur like characters from Azure Bonds, but I don't remember what their stats or abilities are like.

Or a race that if typically a monster but this character is G or N (other than drow or Duerger). Or part monster. Half dryad or faerie of some sort? There are also cambions if need be.

-Jason
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  • The_Shairs_HandbookThe_Shairs_Handbook Member Posts: 219
    edited March 2013
    O would say Genasi or Aasimar as new race (They are common in Abir-toril)
    Genasi is the most common race of calimshan... humans are minority in there

    and if there going to be any new cleric follower then I would say
    Sharess or Hoar clerics is best lore friendy and interesting to be added
    read my comment here and you will see
    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/17235/are-there-any-ancient-egyptian-influences-in-bg#latest
  • EcthelionEcthelion Member Posts: 61
    edited March 2013
    If we talk about famous NPCs, I would like to have a quest in BG2 involving Volothamp Geddarm and having him as NPC in my team, he is bound to have problems of all kinds so it could be a very fun quest.
    Otherwise a berzerker halfling that have problem with his own size and goes on a rampage when told about it. And my wish above all, is to at last have a (real) dwarf of good alignement (like Khelgar in nwn 2 who is just awesome).
  • bgplayabgplaya Member Posts: 129
    If it really is true that the best NPC's in BG I are evil, it balances out the fact that there's barely enough evil characters in BG II to fill a party.

    And that monk is going to become an absolute beast in the sequel, and I found Neera very useful, and used her for my whole good playthrough. She can use any spell (since she isn't specialized) and the wild surges can win battles at times...as well as losing them, of course. :p
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    Evil. Female. Thief. Period.
  • FoodgeekFoodgeek Member Posts: 12
    The monk may not BE in the sequel. He is an NPC.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    Rasaad, Neera, and Dorn will all be in BG2:EE. This was confirmed some months ago.
  • SeveronSeveron Member Posts: 214
    A Female Dureger Dwarven Cleric/Thief, Neutral Evil.
  • HaHaCharadeHaHaCharade Member Posts: 1,644
    A deep gnome would be cool. There's plenty of under dark stuff in BG2... it could happen.
  • KenjiKenji Member Posts: 251
    It's Branwen, not Bronwen, confound it!
  • GawdzillaGawdzilla Member Posts: 86
    Bringing Dynaheir back would be interesting.. Yes, she dies somewhere between BG1 and BG2, but what if instead she becomes undead, or a lich, or something? There could be a quest to rescue her. If the quest fails, Minsc may go insane (MORE insane...) and attack the party.

    It always felt incomplete that she's in BG1 and mysteriously gone in BG2, especially given how attached to her Minsc is, and that he's a central NPC in BG2.
  • FrostyFrosty Member Posts: 190
    Who is this 4th new NPC the Op mentioned?
  • JalilyJalily Member Posts: 4,681
    An easter egg that came with patch 2012.
    You can find him near the tower in Larswood when your PC is level 5+ in at least one class.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Baeloth, I guess? Or the announced evil thief for BG2?
  • GhostCowGhostCow Member Posts: 2
    I'd like to see a Swashbuckler NPC added when they do BG2EE. They're the only thief class that I don't completely hate and it seems like it would be easy to add one when you have to sail on the ship to go pick up Imoen.
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  • DarrylsonDarrylson Member Posts: 87
    I'm hoping they add more than just the evil thief in BG2. The game could stand to have at least a few more evil and neutral NPCs, preferably classes/kits that haven't been used yet, like a Barbarian or one of the Cleric kits.

    Specifically I'd like another Dwarf, one that isn't a two-dimensional walking trope and can fit reasonably well in a non-evil party. Any shorty race really, since they're the most criminally neglected group in BG2.

    If the new NPC is a female romanceable Elf I think I'm going to develop an ulcer.
  • FoodgeekFoodgeek Member Posts: 12
    Frosty said:

    Who is this 4th new NPC the Op mentioned?

    Baeloth, drow sorcerer from The Pits. They also added a few new kits after adding him.

  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356
    I don't think we need any more NPCs in BGee, there's now an adequate range available. Of course there's always room for filling a few more gaps in the range, but there's no urgent need to divert Overhaul's limited resources from other work.

    BG2ee could use several more, because original BG2 had fewer than original BG1 and had numerous glaring gaps. It's pretty disappointing that Overhaul have announced that there'll be only 1 more in addition to those we've already met. With only 1 forthcoming, I reckon the best coverage of gaps in one character would be a Lawful Neutral Dwarf Fighter/Thief or Cleric/Thief. If we could have several other new characters, then I reckon that (in addition to the LN Df F/T or C/T) we could also make good use of a Good Thief (Swashbuckler?), an Evil Thief (Assassin?), a Cleric of Helm or Neutral Fighter/Cleric, a Good Sorcerer, an Evil Sorcerer (Dragon Disciple?), a Neutral Barbarian, a Good Bard (Skald?), an Evil Bard (Jester?), a Neutral Fighter (Kensai?) or Fighter/Mage, and an Evil Monk (Dark Moon?). Some of these ought to be human (and preferably a couple with stats which allow a possibility of dual-classing to improve choice) and the rest should represent a good spread of other Faerunian races.

    Of course, whilst I think that's what BG2ee needs to cover the main gaps and give some flexibility in party composition for a wide range of alignments and playing-styles, I realise that Overhaul probably don't remotely have the resources to develop all that. I do hope, however, that they'll re-think the current policy of only one more NPC and make an attempt to cover a few more of the gaps.
  • SniiiimonSniiiimon Member Posts: 153
    I wouldn't say no to an aasimar or genasi companion.
  • StickanStickan Member Posts: 136
    A cocky female bard (skald or jester) would be awesome. I'd prefer of good alignment but admittedly BG2 does need evil choices.
  • The_Shairs_HandbookThe_Shairs_Handbook Member Posts: 219
    edited March 2013



    I reckon the best coverage of gaps in one character would be a Lawful Neutral Dwarf Fighter/Thief or Cleric/Thief. If we could have several other new characters, then I reckon that (in addition to the LN Df F/T or C/T) we could also make good use of a Good Thief (Swashbuckler?), an Evil Thief (Assassin?), a Cleric of Helm or Neutral Fighter/Cleric, a Good Sorcerer, an Evil Sorcerer (Dragon Disciple?), a Neutral Barbarian, a Good Bard (Skald?), an Evil Bard (Jester?), a Neutral Fighter (Kensai?) or Fighter/Mage, and an Evil Monk (Dark Moon?). Some of these ought to be human (and preferably a couple with stats which allow a possibility of dual-classing to improve choice) and the rest should represent a good spread of other Faerunian races..

    I would say a Human male LN Kensai/Cleric (dual class) of Hoar and a human female Cleric/thief of sharess
    would be very interesting to add as follower.... why???


    * LN Kensai/cleric of hoar human
    Hoar are known as the god of vengance and revenge... if it is something charname needs is revenge so basically a cleric of hoar should find Charname very interesting to join so that he can help people with poetic justice... I would imagine how he would help Viconia with her revenge against those who harmed her and her family or helping the charname with his revange against Saravok (he should be added very late as a reqruit last chapter of the game i would say) and helping charname revange against irenicus.
    A cleric of hoar has always spear as his chosen weapon... so a dual class kensai/cleric should have maxed out the spear skill

    How common are Hoar follower?:
    Aside from a handful of scattered temples, the church of Hoar are mostly composed by primarily lone wanderers who travel the realms, agreeing to pray for Hoar's aid on behalf of those who seek or fear vengeance, in exchange for a small fee. Charlatans who would try to scam people in this manner quickly feel the punishment of Hoar. His followers seek out victims of injustice, hear and appraise their stories, and track down the perpetrators in order to inflict a fitting form of punishment. No injustice is too small or too large for revenge to be sought and a fitting punishment meted out, earning the church of Hoar the ire of town watches and Tyrists alike as well as the adulation of the downtrodden.

    human female Cleric/thief of shares
    I would warmly recommend to have cleric of sharess in the game... she could be waiting and standing on the baldurs gate bridge but can't get into the city without your charnames help... she wants to go to her temple the Blushing mermeid in baldurs gate city... in BG2 she can be imprisonmented in the that inn which has brothels

    Frankly I still don't understand why there isn't any temples of Sharess in bg1 and bg2
    this is the fact about sharess temples:
    Sharess (Bast) is worshiped in large urban areas such as Waterdeep, Calimport, and other cities along the Sword Coast. She is revered by male and female professional escorts who take pride in their professions, the decadent rich, and those who seek only endless pleasure in life.The few temples of Sharess are typically located in large cities along the Sword Coast, but small shrines to the goddess of pleasure may be found in almost every festhall in the Realms. Her temples are typically constructed to resemble elaborate festhalls, with graceful, fluting pillars, octagonal domes, great halls sculpted to resemble forest glades, secluded nooks, bathing areas in natural mineral springs, great banquet halls, and richly scented massage parlors. Most are guarded by staunch fighters and even exotic sentient monsters who are sworn to protect all revelers who partake in the name of Sharess.
  • StickanStickan Member Posts: 136
    About the fighter/cleric dual and multi class suggestions: There is already Anomen and even though some people don't like his personality he does fill those criteria... I don't think they will add such similiar characters, or at least I hope they won't. (But of course, they did include Nalia even though you had Imoen)
  • DelvarianDelvarian Member Posts: 1,232
    I hope they add more NPCs to BGEE2 eventually, but I understand why only one new one has been announced. The amount of NPC interaction in BG2 is crazy as compared to 1, writing the additional dialogue and making quests for Dorn Rasaad Neera and the new thief is going to take a lot of time and effort. It isn't like BG1 where you have like 4 lines of dialogue per NPC.
  • FrostyFrosty Member Posts: 190
    I would like a good female half-orc cleric of the Red Knight.
  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356
    Stickan said:

    About the fighter/cleric dual and multi class suggestions: There is already Anomen and even though some people don't like his personality he does fill those criteria

    Not really. If you leave Anomen Neutral by failing his quest then he's a feeble Cleric and an awful personality. There's really only any point taking him if you succeed in his quest (in which case he becomes a much better cleric and a much nicer personality), but in that case he changes to Good-aligned instead of Neutral, leaving no Neutral Cleric or Fighter/Cleric in the game.

    The point of adding a Cleric of Helm or Neutral Fighter/Cleric is to give a useful alternative to Viconia for those who are playing Evil/Neutral (which currently they don't have) and simultaneously give another option for Good players who find both Aerie and Anomen irritating (which may be quite a lot, since both get widely criticised for being annoying).
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    NPCs being annoying doesn't equal "a class that is lacking". Thieves were lacking AND Jan is annoying, that gives us an evil thief. But clerics aren't lacking, as much as I would appreciate alternatives.
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    @Gallowglass
    Complete his quest after letting him kill the girl and he becomes Chaotic Neutral, if I recall correctly. I fail to see how he's a "feeble" Cleric in either case. He has the potential to make excellent use of the self-buff spells that Viconia and Aerie are better off ignoring.

    @Darrylson
    Korgan is an awesome character, but you're right that the game could use another dwarf, perhaps a Cleric or Thief, or that shiny new Dwarven Defender kit.
  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356

    Complete his quest after letting him kill the girl and he becomes Chaotic Neutral, if I recall correctly.

    That's the fail outcome.

    I fail to see how he's a "feeble" Cleric in either case.

    Because he has only 12 WIS unless he succeeds in his quest (which boosts him to 16 WIS). 12 WIS is pretty feeble for a Cleric: there are no bonus spells and there is a spell-failure risk. When he's boosted to 16 WIS, there is no spell-failure risk and he gets several bonus spells, so he's much better.

    ... the game could use another dwarf, perhaps a Cleric or Thief, or that shiny new Dwarven Defender kit.

    Agreed.
  • StickanStickan Member Posts: 136
    I don't think spell failure by wisdom was ever implemented despite what the old manual says, at least I have never ever had Anomen, or any other cleric (Quale only has 10 Wis), fail a spell in any playthrough. I also think that he is a pretty badass cleric since he can specialize and has a good strength and constitution making him a great frontline healer. As for the bonus spells, sure they are nice. But you only gain bonus spells up until the 4th level and in all honesty you will have enough uses of your low level spells anyhow to make it through the day.
  • FoggyFoggy Member Posts: 297
    Always felt the lack of a good aligned fighter in SoA, Korgan is awesome but doesn't play well in a good party, and a plain fighter (or maybe a viable Kensai) with grand mastery would be great.
    My understanding is only a thief will be added to BG2EE, would love to see an evil assassin or swashbuckler to make the evil parties complete.
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