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Will Dragon Disciple get any more feats or abilities beyond level 20?

shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
I noticed that Dragon Disciple won't get any cool abilities beyond level 20. That's kinda unfair isn't it? What's there to compensate for the loss of less high level spells cast per day? I am talking about less Level 7~9 spells and HLAs. More spells cast at these levels out weights all the current feats for DS. Besides, unlike the other classes, Sorcerer's HLA aren't special abilities that cast from a different tab. We use our level 9 spell slots to cast them.
So -1 spell cast per day actually hits even harder at higher levels. Will there be new feats added to DS beyond level 20?

Thanks for reading this. I am a player from Taiwan and sorry if I make any grammar mistakes.
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  • PawnSlayerPawnSlayer Member Posts: 295
    It's always possible.

    Bear in mind that the experience cap for BG1 is well below that where HLAs come into play, so there was no need to factor those into the current designs for specialist kits.

    When BG2: EE counts, its reasonable to assume that questions like this will be answered. Of course, I can't speculate as to what the answer might be.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    I would expect interesting hla stuff for the new classes, unique stuff at that. Greater wyvern form! Or even any draconic form at all. Maybe a tree of such abilities? OR A DRAGONTREE?!?

    ...frankly, it would make just as much sense as owlbears and dragonturtles.

    Honestly though, i will be surprised if dd dont get some new tricks via hla.
  • forktheworldforktheworld Member Posts: 88
    I bet some wereowlbears could kill Drizzt in, like, 1.5 seconds.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    Nah, dragons just happen to be scaly. Same as birds and dinosaurs, neither of which is reptilian.

    That said, projecting my biological prejudices on a crpg may not be the healthiest thing ever. What judgemental monster am i to say that love between an owl and a bear is wrong?!
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    Seems like everyone is suggesting a form at higher levels... Perhaps a semi-draconic form with increased melee and hardened durability? Plus the ability to cast some spells! I am not sure..

    Maybe... access to some DS only spells like wild mages?
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    DreadKhan said:

    Nah, dragons just happen to be scaly. Same as birds and dinosaurs, neither of which is reptilian.

    That said, projecting my biological prejudices on a crpg may not be the healthiest thing ever. What judgemental monster am i to say that love between an owl and a bear is wrong?!

    Why is it love between an owl and a bear and not a completely separate species that bridges the divide between mammal and bird? If a Platypus can not be the bastard offspring of a beaver and a duck, then I fail to see why the conception of the owlbear would be any different. XD
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857

    DreadKhan said:

    Nah, dragons just happen to be scaly. Same as birds and dinosaurs, neither of which is reptilian.

    That said, projecting my biological prejudices on a crpg may not be the healthiest thing ever. What judgemental monster am i to say that love between an owl and a bear is wrong?!

    Why is it love between an owl and a bear and not a completely separate species that bridges the divide between mammal and bird? If a Platypus can not be the bastard offspring of a beaver and a duck, then I fail to see why the conception of the owlbear would be any different. XD
    If people can get drunk and do something stupid, why is it so wrong for a lonely bear to cuddle with his love bird?

    The wereowlbear though is a different issue... unless its a wereowl bugbear that met that special bear. Otherwise someone is a furry!
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Yeah to be entirely honest I'm SO not impressed with the Dragon Disciple class, hah!
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2013
    That's exactly what I feel right now. Dragon Disciple is just MEH.... His signature ability Dragon Breath is rather weak... Even when cast right next to an enemy in melee range, it still misses alot. =.= Should have made it work like the level 10 dragon breath spell. In addition, I seriously don't understand the benefit of +2 constitution...I thought only warriors get benefit beyond 16 constitution. Or has this been changed in BG EE?

    So in conclusion, Dragon Disciple trade level 7,8,9 spells and HLA abilites for...

    20 hp, -5 AC, 100% fire resist....

    I just don't see the reasoning behind taking those feats over an extra Delayed blast Fireball + Abi Dalzim + planetar......
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  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2013
    Bhaaldog said:

    Bhaaldog said:

    I do not see anything wrong with the Dragon Disciple. It has advantages and disadvantages like every class should have.

    To reason... like this? lol
    You see, the problem is that advantages and disadvantages do not even each other.
    They could just remove the Dragon Disciple as a class if people have issues with it...
    Or they could just balance it... fix it.... reassure our faith in their ability to create fun and new contents for BG3...
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  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    Whoa~ dude, , I have no doubt in Overhaul's ability to create BG2 EE. But Dragon Disciple like some bugs in the game, can still use a little fix.
  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    Bhaaldog said:

    I do not see anything wrong with the Dragon Disciple. It has advantages and disadvantages like every class should have.

    Bhaaldog said:

    They could just remove the Dragon Disciple as a class if people have issues with it...

    Bhaaldog said:


    Oh really? Just like the Dragon Disciple, there is nothing wrong with Overhaul's ability to do BG2 EE or even a sequel.

    Not sure if just spamming or what...
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  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    I could re-quote all your last statements and explain you why I consider them spam from a logical point of view or I can just let it go... Mmmh...
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  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    Bhaaldog said:



    Then I suggest that you read the thread again paying particular attention to:

    shixun said:

    reassure our faith in their ability to create fun and new contents for BG3..."

    Overhaul can do a fine job regardless of the “faith” of a few disgruntled individuals.

    He was right. Removing a kit, like you suggested, because it's not fixed or well enough balanced wouldn't be a sign of "ability to create fun and new contents for BG3". And I have no doubts that Overhaul team will surprise us on this point with the next patch.
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  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    edited April 2013
    Bhaaldog said:

    No he was not right. Overhaul creating a balanced new kit such as Dragon Disciple...

    The main feature of a new kit should be that of being interesting and funny to play for the vast majority of players.
    In the case of the Dragon Disciple, as it was pointed out by the 99% of the people visiting this forum, it doesn't really offer anything you would want at the price of 1spell/level.
    So your concept of "balanced" doesn't represent that majority.
    Bhaaldog said:

    ...is already evidence that they are implementing new content and will continue to do so.

    Again, I've never said they are not "implementing new content and will continue to do so".
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  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    Strange you don't remember those discussions, you were present in almost all of them.
    Maybe too busy spamming trivialities? :3

    Just a quick research with Google:

    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/16389/what-is-your-favourite-new-character-kit/p1
    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/17138/dragon-disciple-questions/p1
    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/17075/bug-dragon-disciple#latest

    And I'm sure @Madhax @DarKelP @TJ_Hooker @Fardragon remember all those threads pretty well.
  • MathmickMathmick Member Posts: 326
    Not every class has to be perfectly balanced at all stages of the game. If you like the cool stuff the class offers, take it. If the drawbacks are too large for you, don't use it.
  • ZeratulZeratul Member Posts: 575
    Its time to take some pop corn!
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