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If Abdel Adrian never existed...

....what do you believe is the most 'canon' CHARNAME in Baldur's Gate?

Personally, I cannot stand Abdel Adrian and I think his character is incredibly out of place in the saga. Some may hate me for saying that - but it is only an opinion.

I personally go would go for:

My favourite Lawful Evil Assassin who embraces his destiny as the new Lord of Murder. Starting as Lawful Neutral (Gorion taught him well) but taking the alignment change to evil whilst in hell as he is tempted by his fate.

Starting as Lawful Neutral allows the 'canon' party to make sense when transferring to Baldur's Gate. It also allows you to take a neutral ground and not end up alienating some of the more interesting party members throughout the series. As you become evil you can take advantage of the more powerful and interesting NPC's such as Sarevok.

To me, it feels like Baldur's Gate was written to be played this way.

Anyhow, what do you guys think? Any alternatives?

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  • IllustairIllustair Member Posts: 878
    He is (will be) as he's always been in most of my playthroughs. One of the most powerful mages in all of Faerun at level 30-40. Whatever comes after next depends on my imagination at that time. He mostly declines becoming the Lord of Murder and seeks his own path instead of just inheriting godhood status. He will then be affiliated with my NWN and NWN-2 protagonists and form their own circle that can rival the Harpers even though they are small in numbers.
  • ArcalianArcalian Member Posts: 359
    There is no canon character. Each Candlekeep Bhaalspawn is as valid as any other. Even Abdel Adrian the Annoyingly-written Anachronism.
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    Arcalian said:

    There is no canon character. Each Candlekeep Bhaalspawn is as valid as any other. Even Abdel Adrian the Annoyingly-written Anachronism.

    I smell a Sliders/Baldur's Gate Spinoff!
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    edited April 2013

    Personally, I cannot stand Abdel Adrian and I think his character is incredibly out of place in the saga. Some may hate me for saying that - but it is only an opinion.

    I don't think you'll get any hate for saying that. Quite the contrary, actually!

    As to how a "true canon" charname would be, I think he/she should be a human or half-elf (because of how old you're supposed to be when the story begins).

    And as far as class goes, anything that fits a character who grew up in Candlekeep would fit the bill. A Mage or Sorcerer sounds just right (you being Gorion's apprentice), as does a Bard (can you think of a better place for a Loremaster to grow up in?) but a Fighter, Paladin or Thief are also okay. Cleric requires a little stretching (though plausible).

    Classes like Monk, Ranger, Druid, Barbarian and Blackguard require a lot of rationalization, to the point where it's easier to just ignore the necessary contrivance and go along with it, in the name of good fun.
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    @Kilivitz I could see Gorion recruiting any tutors and masters the PC would need. On top of all the books available.
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    edited April 2013
    @CaptRory but certain classes are not only about training, don't you agree? A Barbarian could hardly become that kind of warrior living in a monastery. How could you be trained as a Druid spending most of your time inside walls? The same goes for a Ranger.

    Not that I'd be in favor of limiting race/class choices because of that. I just think that if it were necessary to establish a canon charname, I'd go for a less contrived background.
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    @Kilivitz I generally agree with you. But Gorion pretty much ran the place and was an experienced mage. So he could arrange for his ward to come and go for his or her training. Candlekeep is in the middle of nowhere, so plenty of wilderness once you get outside.

    About the only part where it falls apart is with a barbarian/berzerker. But... you can sort of fudge it anyway.
  • AlexisisinneedAlexisisinneed Member Posts: 470
    Not that I like the books, but if anyone has ever loaded the pre-saved game for Tales of the sword coast the pc is Abdel and he is a fighter.

  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    Considering the cannon party, I would assume a cannon charname would be a fighter or fighter multiclass. Fighter/Mage would work with Gorion's influence. (it could really be anyone though; I do agree that certain classes require pretty big leaps).
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    edited April 2013

    ....what do you believe is the most 'canon' CHARNAME in Baldur's Gate?



    I personally go would go for:

    My favourite Lawful Evil Assassin who embraces his destiny as the new Lord of Murder. Starting as Lawful Neutral (Gorion taught him well) but taking the alignment change to evil whilst in hell as he is tempted by his fate.



    EXII

    Although all characters would be good choices , personally I would prefer a character who starts as "innocent" (a human bard, thief, mage or whatever) and then becomes surprisingly better at adventuring . However, I think that "assassin" would be kinda obvious - we are making a canon after all , so surprising the reader would be the first thing to do. ;D
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    First, Abdel did indeed never exist.

    So BG2 assumes the travel companions were Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid and Jaheira. This suggests, if the game tries to keep it balanced, charname is a cleric, as this is the basic class not present. I don't really feel it's the "canon charname to end all canon charnames" tho. A bard would probably be my choice; if kitted, a skald who read about many epic adventures in the huge library and was inspired by them, which later leads to his/her own epic tale and closes a circle.
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459

    So BG2 assumes the travel companions were Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid and Jaheira. This suggests, if the game tries to keep it balanced, charname is a cleric, as this is the basic class not present.

    On the other hand, I used this party a few times (with a Bard or a Paladin) and Jaheira handled being the only healer quite well.
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    Any class/character/aligment developed in a way to blend in with the other npc's would be a perfect canon .
  • PurudayaPurudaya Member Posts: 816
    edited April 2013
    CaptRory said:



    I smell a Sliders/Baldur's Gate Spinoff!

    I'd watch it.

  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Kilivitz said:

    So BG2 assumes the travel companions were Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid and Jaheira. This suggests, if the game tries to keep it balanced, charname is a cleric, as this is the basic class not present.

    On the other hand, I used this party a few times (with a Bard or a Paladin) and Jaheira handled being the only healer quite well.
    The game is certainly playable with this party (or generally a party with a druid as only divine caster, or any party, ever). Cleric is just the class you usually have in a typical/balanced party, with a second divine caster as multi- or dualclass (if at all), so it would be charname's job by default - if the canon was based on balance.

    With Minsc, Khalid and Jaheira as capable frontliners; Minsc, Khalid and Imoen as capable ranged fighters... a fighter type makes the least sense to me. Luckily, no-one ever implied this as canon by writing a novel or anything.

  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    @KidCarnival, Jaheira is the cannon "healer". No party needs more than one (or one at all really)...not to mention the minute difficulties with a cleric of whatever being the progeny of Bhaal.
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    edited April 2013
    SPOILERS AHEAD

    I imagine a Cleric who ultimately chooses to ascend would be in a lot of trouble once he/she meets his former god... I'd be pissed if someone relied on my power primarily as a way to end up smoking cigars and sipping martinis right next to me in the Gods of Faerun poker table.

    Even if you advanced said God's cause up to that point, that'd mean you're now either competing with Him/Her on the portfolio field or promoting a different cause (if you turn Evil, for example). It's an awkward situation either way.
  • dstoltzfusdstoltzfus Member Posts: 280
    mmmmm...cigars (spicy habano wrapper please) and martinis (gin only...and only one olive...you dirty martini sickos :) )....what about clerics now?
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    @Kilivitz I dunno about that. Assuming you've kept your alignment and your views still align with your former deity's views I think he'd be more excited about the possibility of having an ally. At least the good ones. With the portfolio of the god of murder passing into the hands of a neutral or good deity it takes some of the pressure off. The evil gods would just see you as another rival I would imagine. And probably one that is easy pickings considering you're a new god without a significant power base.
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    @CaptRory that's a very interesting point, one that actually makes me think of a plausible(?) BG3 storyline.
    CaptRory said:

    The evil gods would just see you as another rival I would imagine. And probably one that is easy pickings considering you're a new god without a significant power base.

    Suppose that's exactly what happens and one or more evil gods (Cyric wasn't too fond of you in ToB, was he?) have you not killed, but "exiled" (I mean made back into a puny mortal) and sent back to Faerun. Your journey starts with you reincarnated and back to Level 1. The story can go anywhere from there, and it might even grant bringing back some familiar faces.
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    @Kilivitz Ha~ That's a pretty good plan. All your old allies are either dead or busy so you need to put a new team together. So you have to worm favors out of them to get your footing under you quickly...
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    That gives me so many ideas I think I'll start a new topic for anyone who's bored enough to read my musings on the subject. So much for productivity tonight.
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  • EntropyXIIEntropyXII Member Posts: 656
    edited April 2013
    Arcalian said:

    There is no canon character. Each Candlekeep Bhaalspawn is as valid as any other. Even Abdel Adrian the Annoyingly-written Anachronism.

    I know and didn't mean it in that sense. My question was basically: If you were asked to write the novels for BG, what would the perfect Gorion's ward be? For me, a 7 foot chaotic neutral warrior doofus (Abdel) is far from being the perfect successor to Bhaal.

    First, Abdel did indeed never exist.

    So BG2 assumes the travel companions were Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid and Jaheira. This suggests, if the game tries to keep it balanced, charname is a cleric, as this is the basic class not present. I don't really feel it's the "canon charname to end all canon charnames" tho. A bard would probably be my choice; if kitted, a skald who read about many epic adventures in the huge library and was inspired by them, which later leads to his/her own epic tale and closes a circle.

    I always dual Dynaheir to a Cleric -smirk- Doesn't feel right worshiping another god when I become a god myself.
    Kilivitz said:



    I don't think you'll get any hate for saying that. Quite the contrary, actually!

    As to how a "true canon" charname would be, I think he/she should be a human or half-elf (because of how old you're supposed to be when the story begins).

    And as far as class goes, anything that fits a character who grew up in Candlekeep would fit the bill. A Mage or Sorcerer sounds just right (you being Gorion's apprentice), as does a Bard (can you think of a better place for a Loremaster to grow up in?) but a Fighter, Paladin or Thief are also okay. Cleric requires a little stretching (though plausible).

    Classes like Monk, Ranger, Druid, Barbarian and Blackguard require a lot of rationalization, to the point where it's easier to just ignore the necessary contrivance and go along with it, in the name of good fun.

    Agreed - I chose Thief/Assassin as he grew up with Imoen. They might have been different personality wise but she was his only friend. Mage is a very good option for a good character I think.
  • The_Shairs_HandbookThe_Shairs_Handbook Member Posts: 219
    don't know about you guys.... but my version of canon charname (how i see it) is a Transmuter who have favourite spell tenser transformation (bascilly turning him into Fighting machine whenever the party needs help).
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    A Neutral Good human,elf or half-elf mage,fighter or bard.
  • karnor00karnor00 Member Posts: 680
    Well, about all we know about the canon protagonist is who they travelled with in BG1 - being Minsc, Jaheira, Khalid, Imoen and Dynaheir. This suggests a good alignment to me - probably neutral good given the makeup of the party.

    As for class, the canon companions have pretty much all the bases covered. Meaning that pretty much any other class (or multiclass) would work. I'd agree with what Kilivitz said about classes given the Candlekeep background.

    In BG2 there are 3 female romances vs 1 male romance. So I'd lean towards the canon protagonist being male.
  • MilesBeyondMilesBeyond Member Posts: 324
    A Lawful-anything Assassin... What will they think of next?
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    A human fighter (he's described as being intelligent, but also tended to shirk his studies, and is known to have received training with the guard), who turns to mage-craft after being captured by Irenicus and deciding to master magic to combat this overwhelming magic threat (and losing both party mages early on made him realize that he REALLY needs some magical power of his own to back up his steel, just in case).

    Chaotic Good originally (he seems like a slacker at times, favoring personal freedom, but I do think Gorion would've raised him under Harper Ideals, so a good alignment is likely), and is SORELY tested by events to come.


    And canonically, he turns down godhood (to protect the status quo of the Realms)...so...I'd think he wouldn't be evil, since evil would JUMP at the chance for ultimate power, and good or neutral would likely give it up, since the solar tells you straight up, if you refuse they'll bind the power in the higher planes to keep it from the wrong hands, and that seems the best outcome (absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that). I'd probably end up just saying he's still chaotic good, just wizened and a little cynical from the whole experience but glad to have his remaining companions all the same and finally free to live his own life without being a puppet to destiny.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747


    I always dual Dynaheir to a Cleric -smirk- Doesn't feel right worshiping another god when I become a god myself.

    I admire your patience. I did that once and ugh. But generally, I could see that as canon, Dynaheir is a good fit as a healer.

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