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Stat tomes in BG2

JaggedJagged Member Posts: 105
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What are your opinions on the BG stat tomes carrying over for the BG2 NPCs? If I give the strength tome to Dorn or the intelligence tome to Neera should their new stats carry over? Would you change them with shadowkeeper?

Thanks!

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  • NecomancerNecomancer Member Posts: 622
    I wish they did, but since BG2 NPCs from BG1 don't carry over in terms of class build I doubt this will be implemented. I still say I prefer Imoen as a thief.

    That being said, I would not call it cheating to use shadowkeeper to give NPCs from BG1 the stats they had in the first game
  • DrugarDrugar Member Posts: 1,566
    I usually change them with Shadowkeeper, wouldn't mind if this were carried over but considering the mechanics of exporting, that might be tricky to do so I'm not bothered if it's not implemented.
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  • FrecheFreche Member Posts: 473
    I think this is something that should be in the EE version of BG2, shouldn't be too hard for Overhaul to make stats, weapon prof., theif skills, etc. from BG1 carry over to BG2.
  • JaggedJagged Member Posts: 105
    Freche said:

    I think this is something that should be in the EE version of BG2, shouldn't be too hard for Overhaul to make stats, weapon prof., theif skills, etc. from BG1 carry over to BG2.

    That's exactly what I was thinking but I guess only time will tell.

  • DrEastDrEast Member Posts: 113
    I always open up my saved game with Shadowkeeper in BG1 and edit the BG2 NPC's to match. I feel this enhances the continuity.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    I pretty much only use the tomes on Charname anyway, so I don't think it is that big a deal. I do think that carrying over stats/skills/proficiencies into BG2:EE might be more effort than benefit.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    Freche said:

    I think this is something that should be in the EE version of BG2, shouldn't be too hard for Overhaul to make stats, weapon prof., theif skills, etc. from BG1 carry over to BG2.

    They could probably just co-op whatever scripting vanilla ToB uses to export your party at the end of SoA.
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    I'll just Trainer all the spells, experience values, ability score boosts, and what-have-yous to their BG EE values like I did last time. No chance in hell I'm giving up cloudkill on Neera!
  • francofranco Member Posts: 507
    I think it all depends on what gives you most enjoyment in the game. I often accept the way they start off the characters in BG2 because I think they had to rebalance the game, and because I think time has passed since BG1 and people change overtime. But, if a certain stat or ability seems essential to you and its absence would spoil your depiction of the character then for your sheer enjoyment and satisfaction make the adjustment with Shadowkeeper.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    Totally. When you come right down to it, this is a game, so if you're not enjoying it, you're doing it wrong. If what you find enjoyable is curb-stomping BG1 with your level 40 ToB character, than by god, that's what you should do.
  • IkMarcIkMarc Member Posts: 552
    Honestly I think those tomes shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. Carrying them over to BG2 makes it kind of.. so so...

    I mean, by equipping a few items my early game SoA Cleric/Mage is now 18/00, 19, 19, 21, 20, 18 unbuffed and I haven't even cheated or obtained the good items yet...
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    IkMarc said:

    Honestly I think those tomes shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. Carrying them over to BG2 makes it kind of.. so so...

    I mean, by equipping a few items my early game SoA Cleric/Mage is now 18/00, 19, 19, 21, 20, 18 unbuffed and I haven't even cheated or obtained the good items yet...

    Agreed. I limited myself to one Intellect tome so my mage could have 19 INT and memorize (almost) all of the spells. Otherwise I made do with a roll of 94. Hey, I'm the child of a god, and Saravok and Imoen get inflated stats, why not me?
  • IkMarcIkMarc Member Posts: 552
    edited May 2013
    Malicron said:

    IkMarc said:

    Honestly I think those tomes shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. Carrying them over to BG2 makes it kind of.. so so...

    I mean, by equipping a few items my early game SoA Cleric/Mage is now 18/00, 19, 19, 21, 20, 18 unbuffed and I haven't even cheated or obtained the good items yet...

    Agreed. I limited myself to one Intellect tome so my mage could have 19 INT and memorize (almost) all of the spells. Otherwise I made do with a roll of 94. Hey, I'm the child of a god, and Saravok and Imoen get inflated stats, why not me?
    -> Hey, I'm the child of a god, so this is completely reasonable <-


    Exactly what I keep telling myself ^^
  • FrecheFreche Member Posts: 473
    edited May 2013
    IkMarc said:

    Honestly I think those tomes shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. Carrying them over to BG2 makes it kind of.. so so...

    I mean, by equipping a few items my early game SoA Cleric/Mage is now 18/00, 19, 19, 21, 20, 18 unbuffed and I haven't even cheated or obtained the good items yet...

    Well it's not really hard to create a 100+ score character with Ctrl+8.
    I think average roll score is somewhere around 80 and with that in mind the books is kind of fine.

  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    Freche said:

    I think this is something that should be in the EE version of BG2, shouldn't be too hard for Overhaul to make stats, weapon prof., theif skills, etc. from BG1 carry over to BG2.

    Huge plot hole if you keep Imoen as a thief though.

  • IkMarcIkMarc Member Posts: 552
    Freche said:

    IkMarc said:

    Honestly I think those tomes shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. Carrying them over to BG2 makes it kind of.. so so...

    I mean, by equipping a few items my early game SoA Cleric/Mage is now 18/00, 19, 19, 21, 20, 18 unbuffed and I haven't even cheated or obtained the good items yet...

    Well it's not really hard to create a 100+ score character with Ctrl+8.

    And how is that not super lame?
  • SamuelVargSamuelVarg Member Posts: 598
    Minsc get a +1 in both dexterity and constitution.
    Jaheira gets + 3 in dexterity.
    Viconia gets + 1 in constitution AND + 3 (!) in wisdom.
    Edwin gets + 1 in strength but a - 1 in wisdom (confused over that he never got to kill Dynaheir I guess)
  • SamuelVargSamuelVarg Member Posts: 598
    Samus said:

    I rather like the BG2 NPCs as they are...

    Since VIconia gets a super buff I'm not surprised.
  • GandalfPortraitGuyGandalfPortraitGuy Member Posts: 206
    Hm, what if they instead gave us the opportunity to raise the NPC stats instead of focusing on the Bhaalspawn completely?
  • AaronDemonciaAaronDemoncia Member Posts: 31
    I think that adding BG2 and Throne of bhaal into the EE as first screen options, (where it asks if you want the tutorial bg1 or the black pits) would help eliminate the reoccurance of bugs and allow for the file transfer system to hold easier. The passage of time and adventure could account for npcs with newer stats, and a variable script could easily keep track as a globalvariable for TomeSTRNPC# with 0 being a player character and each npc having been given a number. seems simple enough as its a variable idea that could allow greater continuity between say keeping dorn from bg1-2 with his quest lines. if you did or didnt take SPOILER during another quest and if you say did other misc. ingame additions. Possibly adding flavour to the actual BG2EE for quests done and not done etc.
  • ambrennanambrennan Member Posts: 173
    Huge plot hole if you keep Imoen as a thief though.
    Thieves can use certain wands
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    ambrennan said:

    Huge plot hole if you keep Imoen as a thief though.
    Thieves can use certain wands that's what I said then was rebuffed by "but the Cowled Wizards don't care about wants only about casting magic! They know the difference! You can run around using wands and spell like abilities all you want and the Cowls don't care!"

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