Bhaalspawn powers in BG2EE:ToB

SamuelVarg

When Irenicus snatch your soul you loose your Bhaalspawn powers.

Should those be back in ToB when you have come back from hell with your restored soul?

I think so. Like if you agree.
Yay or nay?

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Kaltzor

Well, "awesome" is a relative term when talking about the bhaalspawn powers you get... I suppose Draw Upon Holy Might is pretty damn good for Fighter and Thief kits, but the rest of it all is kind of pointless by BG2...

Tresset

@Samus David Gaider, who was the original lead designer for the BG games, made some powers that you would acquire as you progressed in ToB. They decided to scrap that idea as they figured it would be too confusing or some such, but someone decided to make these powers available as a mod. Anyway, I found it on Baldurdash.

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Tresset

@Samus Yeah I was not very sure on the facts there...

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Bestopher

Something is better than nothing. Yay cure light wounds lol

mister_ennui

The improved Bhaalspawn powers that were originally available via a freestanding mod created by David Gaider and later incorporated into the Ascension Mod do appear to reflect original designer intent. At least the following quote from Gaider suggests that:

"We originally had planned out some Bhaalspawn powers that the player would accumulate after doing the challenges in the pocket plane. It was scrapped because it was thought that these extra abilities plus all the high-level abilities would get too confusing. All of the abilities are still in the game, though, so it was minor scripting to add them back in for those people who would like to try them."

Bestopher said:

Something is better than nothing. Yay cure light wounds lol

The improved Bhaalspawn powers are rather more powerful than the original powers lost previously and can actually prove useful in ToB. The 4 "Good" powers are: 1) Mass Healing; 2) Draw Upon Holy Might (the only instance of one of the original Bhaalspawn powers being repeated); 3) Permanent Negative Plane Protection + 5% Magic Resistance; and 4) Resurrection. The 4 "Evil" powers are: 1) Regeneration; 2) Dark Taint; 3) Hand of Murder; and 4) Permanent 25% Resistance to Physical Damage. See here for more detail: http://molskin.hypermart.net/bhaalpowers_read_me.txt

OneAngryMushroom

When I hear the word bhaalspawn I don't think a few spells that any mediocre priest can cast. I imagine summoning fire from the skies, earthquakes underneath my foes' feet, floods from all directions, unholy lightning from my fingertips, and shooting evil black and red energy beams from the palm of my hand, CRUSHING ANY THAT DARE STAND BEFORE ME. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. *Deep breath* O.K. I'm good now. I've calmed down

ShadowHunter

@OneAngryMushroom I think someone needs anger management :P

OneAngryMushroom

ShadowHunter said:

@OneAngryMushroom I think someone needs anger management :P

Yeah maybe a little, what tipped you off the "OneAngry" part or the part where I was "burn the world!"

Djimmy

Yes. I was very dissapointed when I saw that they were gone. Draw Upon Holy Might, Cure Light Wounds and Slow Poison, please come back to me...

the_spyder

Kaltzor said:

Well, "awesome" is a relative term when talking about the bhaalspawn powers you get... I suppose Draw Upon Holy Might is pretty damn good for Fighter and Thief kits, but the rest of it all is kind of pointless by BG2...

I wouldn't say 'Awesome', but I wouldn't say useless either. I routinely play a Wizard through the series. I am of the mind set that he is something of an atheist. Well, maybe not athiest. he believes in the Gods, he just refuses to worship them. Likewise, he really doesn't like relying on a cleric ability to heal his person. So he uses the cure light wounds abilities regularly.

IkMarc

"Yay! My character should have his awesome god-given powers in the finale!
Nay! They suck anyway. Irenicus can have them and rott in hell."


I find the way these choices are formulated a bit of a false dilemma

SamuelVarg

the_spyder said:

I wouldn't say 'Awesome', but I wouldn't say useless either. I routinely play a Wizard through the series. I am of the mind set that he is something of an atheist. Well, maybe not athiest. he believes in the Gods, he just refuses to worship them. Likewise, he really doesn't like relying on a cleric ability to heal his person. So he uses the cure light wounds abilities regularly.

Anti-theist with other words.

SCARY_WIZARD

OneAngryMushroom said:

When I hear the word bhaalspawn I don't think a few spells that any mediocre priest can cast. I imagine summoning fire from the skies, earthquakes underneath my foes' feet, floods from all directions, unholy lightning from my fingertips, and shooting evil black and red energy beams from the palm of my hand, CRUSHING ANY THAT DARE STAND BEFORE ME. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. *Deep breath* O.K. I'm good now. I've calmed down

MAKE YOUR FOES PASS AWAY

mister_ennui said:

See here for more detail: http://molskin.hypermart.net/bhaalpowers_read_me.txt

I was wondering where that went! Thank you!

mister_ennui

@SCARY_WIZARD

No problem.

Senash

I always thought that CHARNAME was quite "empty" compared to The Five in ToB. Yes, he/she does have godly stats, but thats thanks to tomes and the machine of Lum in watchers Keep. As I have stated before, the Slayer for is kinda mediocre or just plain weak by that time. I always hated losing my previous powers, so if we could get those back at least, that would be great. Improved versions though would even be better

Eudaemonium

Ascension's Improved Slayer/Ravager forms and its high level bhaalspawn powers add a level of awesome power to Charname. Mass Healing or Regeneration, DUHM, Resurrection. Dark Taint is a bit lacklustre, though. I like Hand of Murder, because, well, its called Hand of frickin' Murder.

Schneidend

I always liked getting Vampiric Touch. Super useful for a fresh CHARNAME starting BG2. I'm hoping Ascension will be included in BG2:EE, though, in order to make this a bit of a moot point.

Malicron

If not included, I at least hope it gets upgraded to be compatible with BG2:EE.

Mordeus

I dislike them mainly because they just clutter the innate skill menu, of which is already annoying to select skills from.

Malicron

Mordeus said:

I dislike them mainly because they just clutter the innate skill menu, of which is already annoying to select skills from.

It's the principle of the thing. Every other Bhaalspawn get some kind of cool power, even Imoen gets some cool stuff in ToB, but what does the heir-apparent, with his own pocket plane get? Well, a pocket plane, obviously, but other than that just a lack-luster shape shift ability that makes people hate you whenever you use it. In a word: Bull$%&#.