@siril_dana - Don't pay for expansion packs and dlc? Since when has that ever happened? I remember gladly paying £20 for Tales of the Sword Coast when it came out.
Scratch that, I was quite young - Mother EntropyXII would have paid for it xD
The way I see it, dlc stand for unfinished minor stuff that didn't make the release date... way to steel money from gamers, expansion packs would expand the game (I recall the expansion in Diablo 2 as a great example) But what would you know... Let's say they create this hole new adventure Y, and they want to sell it to us, for, I don't know, maybe 10 dolars... I would think it would be lame. If you don't think its lame, it's ok... but that's like your opinion men!
Kisses from Argentina, where buying anything in dollars is a pain in the ass.
The way I see it, dlc stand for unfinished minor stuff that didn't make the release date... way to steel money from gamers, expansion packs would expand the game (I recall the expansion in Diablo 2 as a great example) But what would you know... Let's say they create this hole new adventure Y, and they want to sell it to us, for, I don't know, maybe 10 dolars... I would think it would be lame. If you don't think its lame, it's ok... but that's like your opinion men!
Kisses from Argentina, where buying anything in dollars is a pain in the ass.
It's mostly certain publishers who do that... Cutting off parts of the game to sell them separately as DLC...
If they make a new module and not just a series of quests, kind of like the Black Pits but instead of just being an arena it's a whole game, that is what DLC more or less should be like.
Then we can be thankful that Baldur's Gate already exists. The team won't be releasing the game with bits of the original missing. If they want to get some more money by adding extras, more power to them.
I don't really buy into the whole "DLC is evil" argument because it assumes that a game is incomplete without the extra content that's being sold. That's not necessarily the case, though you might think it is.
DLCs are nothing but minor expansions. Whether the prices are fair or not, that's a whole other discussion. But there's nothing wrong or evil about the concept itself.
I do have my reservations, however, about charging to unlock content that's shipped with the disc. That just seems like a dickish move to me.
Whether one loves or hates the concept of DLCs - at least it guarantees that the developer continues to work on the game. This usually means that games with DLCs get more developer patches/fixes/attention than games without DLCs. Unless the game is highly moddable in the first place of course. Then the community usually does a better job of issuing fixes.
Personally I love games with DLCs. I know that the game will be looked after whilst DLCs are being planned and released...and I don't have to buy them if I don't want to. WIN!
I think the problem here is that DLC describes a delivery method for game content. The quality and utility of the content delivered has nothing to do with whether it comes to you on a DVD or downloaded. Just because some game companies deliver crap DLC, doesn't mean that all DLC is crap.
What I can say is that Beamdog isn't "holding back" any content to get you to pay for it later. If/when Adventure Y happens, it will need to be designed, developed, and tested first.
I'll gladly pay for any extra stuff Beamdog puts out for BG(2):EE. Specially considering we already got stuff like Baeloth and 5 new kits for free. Most companies wouldn't think twice before charging for that content.
Wait, are we still bashing them because the patch is taking long?
If Adventure Y is still at early development stage, please make it integral part of BGEE like Tales of Sword Coast expansion. Standalone adventures , like Black Pits are not as interesting.
I think it has been pretty clear for a long while that there wont be any DLC for BG:EE until BG2:EE is out. That means I wouldn't expect any during this year.
I actually don't hate dlc. I just don't dig it that much... that's all... also, english is not my first lenguage, so things I write might sound different in my head than in yours.
If Adventure Y is still at early development stage, please make it integral part of BGEE like Tales of Sword Coast expansion. Standalone adventures , like Black Pits are not as interesting.
Well, due to the contractual restrictions of not touching existing the game world all that much... I think standalone adventures might work better since there they can more freely do things. While adding to the game might be more interesting, I would rather play an adventure the developers can fully create things in and that all the NPCs react to everything properly...
Well, I (and probably a lot of other people who agreed with me already) love BG1. So when I first read about BGEE, I hoped that original world of BG1 will be expanded. Which Beamdog did as far as 3 new NPC go.
However, I hoped that Black Pits will be integral part of BG1 and not random adventure outside the game. Let's me rephrase this, I am not really interested in 2-3 hours standalone small games based on infinity engine. I care about BG1 getting better/bigger.
So if devs have a choice right now, I really hope that they will not make standalone new game, but instead "extend BG1" with new adventure which by accident is the name of BGEE.
However, I hoped that Black Pits will be integral part of BG1 and not random adventure outside the game. Let's me rephrase this, I am not really interested in 2-3 hours standalone small games based on infinity engine. I care about BG1 getting better/bigger.
So if devs have a choice right now, I really hope that they will not make standalone new game, but instead "extend BG1" with new adventure which by accident is the name of BGEE.
Given the premise of black pits, I'm pretty glad it wasn't included in the main game. I found it a fun distraction for testing characters and growth, but it IMHO it doesn't fit in BG in terms of story or balance. I'm all for new dungeons and story in BG though, so long as it fits well.
However, you bring up an interesting point. I really liked Neverwinter Nights for its module support, which made a lot of user-made content easily available. I don't know what kind of support BG or BG:EE has for user-made standalone adventures, but I'd think streamlining installation and including the editor with BG:EE could produce a lot of interesting content, increasing the popularity of the game and its community.
If we aren't announcing something, it's because it's either in flux or because it hasn't been approved yet. Approvals need to come from several sources before something can be announced, and this can take quite a while.
We don't want to announce something and then have to do a 180 on what we've said previously because something changed after we posted. We want to be absolutely sure what we tell you is true, to the best of our abilities.
But you did exactly that with the movies. http://www.baldursgate.com/enhancements.en.html "All of the Baldur's Gate cinematics have been replaced with beautifully hand painted animated cinematics, directed by Nat Jones."
Half of the movies are missing, and the new ones are too static and lacking of every funny and horror-like moments. And you are still advertising this.
And the other: "The Enhanced Edition of Baldur's Gate has been given an extensive overhaul. The original source code has been cleaned up and improved, sped up, and now has support for modern platforms. Over 400 issues from the original game have been found and fixed." I see more bugs here now as 400.
I hope this misleading informations vanish from your page, but wish they could remain because they were true. Thanks for reading.
@Sese79 We've talked about this already, in multiple threads on the forum. The cinematics note on the page is an error that will be rectified the next time we update it. You said you understood this, so I don't know what it is you're hoping to achieve here.
@Sese79 We've talked about this already, in multiple threads on the forum. The cinematics note on the page is an error that will be rectified the next time we update it. You said you understood this, so I don't know what it is you're hoping to achieve here.
He/she probably just wanted to express anger at something he/she does not like, though I must say that rectifying something like that should be on very high priority that should surely have been fixed long ago!
I for one likes them since the 3d movies does not suit a 2d(ish) game and I love the dark artstyle(If you are close to the one who made them, yell that he/she is awesome! And as a reminder that person surely deserves a coffee?)
And If I might throw in a question: I can't load any saves right now does that mean that the upcoming patch is poking at my game asking to be downloaded, ooor is this something messy on my end ?
I agree with @Aron740 that changing the note about the cinematics should be high priority. This issue has been brought your (not personally yours, but Overhaul Games's) attention shortly after release, and yet in over 4 months nothing has changed (or more accurately, it has been removed once, but later it was put back on). Changing that page should take no longer than 20 minutes + whatever time you need to get the necessary permissions, which should be considerably less than 4 months.
I understand @Sese79's impatience, and I don't think he/she should be scolded for expressing it. If anything, Overhaul Games should exercise more empathy regarding this issue, in my humble opinion. After all, some of your customers were deceived by the careless promise in question.
We don't update the website every day; but you can be certain that this will be addressed the next time it gets updated. We're not sure how that note got put back in, but it wasn't intentional.
We don't update the website every day; but you can be certain that this will be addressed the next time it gets updated. We're not sure how that note got put back in, but it wasn't intentional.
"The next time it gets updated" ? Does this mean "soon" like, in a few months, or maybe next year ?
As everybody is saying here, updating the website is just three clicks away. This IS a priority because until you update it, this page on the cinematics is just lying to customers...
A lawful good company shouldn't do that. But maybe you've shifted to Chaotic Evil ?
Schopenhauer: seriously? since when do patches need media coverage? We want to play a bugfree game asap! who cares if its released simultaneously to the hottest shooter trailer?! I hope I just didnt get your irony...
Not sure if this has been answered, but will the new renderer (coming with the patch) address the problems of a disappearing hardware cursor in Windows Vista?
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Scratch that, I was quite young - Mother EntropyXII would have paid for it xD
Kisses from Argentina, where buying anything in dollars is a pain in the ass.
If they make a new module and not just a series of quests, kind of like the Black Pits but instead of just being an arena it's a whole game, that is what DLC more or less should be like.
DLCs are nothing but minor expansions. Whether the prices are fair or not, that's a whole other discussion. But there's nothing wrong or evil about the concept itself.
I do have my reservations, however, about charging to unlock content that's shipped with the disc. That just seems like a dickish move to me.
Personally I love games with DLCs. I know that the game will be looked after whilst DLCs are being planned and released...and I don't have to buy them if I don't want to. WIN!
What I can say is that Beamdog isn't "holding back" any content to get you to pay for it later. If/when Adventure Y happens, it will need to be designed, developed, and tested first.
Wait, are we still bashing them because the patch is taking long?
Also, I don't like the usage of the expression "if/when" there. I thought it was a pretty firm "when".
There are good DLCs and bad DLCs, it all depends on the balance between price and content.
However, I hoped that Black Pits will be integral part of BG1 and not random adventure outside the game. Let's me rephrase this, I am not really interested in 2-3 hours standalone small games based on infinity engine. I care about BG1 getting better/bigger.
So if devs have a choice right now, I really hope that they will not make standalone new game, but instead "extend BG1" with new adventure which by accident is the name of BGEE.
However, you bring up an interesting point. I really liked Neverwinter Nights for its module support, which made a lot of user-made content easily available. I don't know what kind of support BG or BG:EE has for user-made standalone adventures, but I'd think streamlining installation and including the editor with BG:EE could produce a lot of interesting content, increasing the popularity of the game and its community.
http://www.baldursgate.com/enhancements.en.html
"All of the Baldur's Gate cinematics have been replaced with beautifully hand painted animated cinematics, directed by Nat Jones."
Half of the movies are missing, and the new ones are too static and lacking of every funny and horror-like moments. And you are still advertising this.
And the other:
"The Enhanced Edition of Baldur's Gate has been given an extensive overhaul. The original source code has been cleaned up and improved, sped up, and now has support for modern platforms. Over 400 issues from the original game have been found and fixed."
I see more bugs here now as 400.
I hope this misleading informations vanish from your page, but wish they could remain because they were true. Thanks for reading.
We've talked about this already, in multiple threads on the forum. The cinematics note on the page is an error that will be rectified the next time we update it. You said you understood this, so I don't know what it is you're hoping to achieve here.
I for one likes them since the 3d movies does not suit a 2d(ish) game and I love the dark artstyle(If you are close to the one who made them, yell that he/she is awesome! And as a reminder that person surely deserves a coffee?)
And If I might throw in a question: I can't load any saves right now does that mean that the upcoming patch is poking at my game asking to be downloaded, ooor is this something messy on my end
I understand @Sese79's impatience, and I don't think he/she should be scolded for expressing it. If anything, Overhaul Games should exercise more empathy regarding this issue, in my humble opinion. After all, some of your customers were deceived by the careless promise in question.
"The next time it gets updated" ? Does this mean "soon" like, in a few months, or maybe next year ?
As everybody is saying here, updating the website is just three clicks away.
This IS a priority because until you update it, this page on the cinematics is just lying to customers...
A lawful good company shouldn't do that. But maybe you've shifted to Chaotic Evil ?
The entire team is pretty busy. But I'll see if I can put someone in a headlock.
I hope I just didnt get your irony...
It's not a big change, but it's more accurate to what was actually done.