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zur312

my mazy was 500 punds carrying tank monster with this bastard sword from WK

kamuizin

I didn't understand your statement, are you saying that Halflings and Gnomes with the same strengh value of an character of another race receive extra pound capacity?

elminster

Quayle with a few spells could become a beast on carrying things. Cast strength on him then DOHM. He's now able to carry 600 pounds.

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shylaman

Like ants.

Morte50

typo_tilly said:

I am saying they are the smallest races, yet can carry just as much as the larger races. They're strong relative to their size.

Except that we don't know that, since we have no information on what distribution strength follows in the populations of different races. Clearly, if two individuals from different races have the same strength, they can carry the same amount of weight. That's effectively what the strength stat is meant to quantify. But it might well be that having strength 12 is quite exceptional for a gnome, but utterly feeble for an ogre.

SpaceInvader

I tend to compare them to ants.
Incredibly strong considering how their weight, still so easy to stomp...
EDIT: haha @shylaman ninja'd me!

Shin

Smaller creatures are generally proportionally stronger and more robust than larger ones. If you were to scale up an ant or a flea to human size they wouldn't be able to throw cars around or jump over skyscrapers. Scientifically it has to do with how size increases by a factor of three (if you make an object twice as large, its length, width and height all double, making it 2^3 = 8 times as heavy) while making a muscle twice as large its capacity only increases by a factor of two (2^2, length x width of the muscle cross section, as muscle length doesn't help in the generation of force). For similar reasons animals can only get so big given a certain gravity, and the biggest ones will be found in the water where they don't weigh as much.

So I guess it makes a certain sense that halflings and gnomes would be proportionally stronger than humans.. they would appear to have similar anatomy and muscle structure.

Lord_Tansheron

Never argue logic in a game where you can throw fireballs.

Morte50

Why not? Even fantasy-fiction still has to make sense, obey some reasonably delimited set of rules (for it to be any good, anyway).

kamuizin

until someone cast bull's strengh in someone, then logic and rules are screwed! XD!

Morte50

Hardly. Within the context of the fantasy-world, what Bull's Strength would do (or should do) is fairly predictable. That's the thing about fantasy (and sci-fi, as well): the author has the freedom to make up the wildest things, but for it to be interesting he does have to be fairly consistent about it. Obviously, obsessive-compulsives aside, no author is going to work out all the physics and meta-physics etc. of his fictional world in mathematical detail. But there has to be some sense of structure to it nonetheless. It's just bad/lazy writing, otherwise.

Ville

I think the reason is historical. The game was developed mostly by americans so they just went with the british weirdness. Brits always rode on the wrong side of the road so they decided to have cars with wheel on the wrong side too.

Same thing, most of Europe has a sensible thing called metric system. Just like brits, halflings and gnomes just decided to choose a weird way to measure things. One halfling kilogram is equal to two brown sheep, a lollipop and a buff of smoke.

That's why a gnome can lift two halflings, but one measure of a gnome is only equal to a glass of milk and a look from a wizard to halflings.

They all weigh the same, just the way to measure is different.

sarevok57

hahahahhaha @Ville that was awesome

Miridor

typo_tilly said:

Halflings weigh 30 to 35 pounds.
Gnomes weigh 40 to 45 pounds.

That an adult halfling should weigh about the same as a three year old human child seems quite unlikely. I would say that a halfling probably weighs 30 to 35 KILOS instead.

kamuizin

We must be grateful then @Ville, for BG be an american game, imagine if it was an Irland game (without meaning any disrespect here) and instead of gnomes we would have Leprechaun race, the objective of the game would become to kill the most number of gnomes possible and steal their golden pots!!

elminster

Miridor said:

typo_tilly said:

Halflings weigh 30 to 35 pounds.
Gnomes weigh 40 to 45 pounds.

That an adult halfling should weigh about the same as a three year old human child seems quite unlikely. I would say that a halfling probably weighs 30 to 35 KILOS instead.

Forgotten Realms wiki says halflings are between 75 - 85 pounds (34-38.5 kg). I find that more believable than 30 to 35 pounds. Likewise it says gnomes can range from 50 - 75 pounds (22.6 - 34kg).

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gnome

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Halfling

tennisgolfboll

Those weight numbers a joke. Max strength for halflings should then be 8. Gnomes 10.

HerrderGezeiten

elminster said:

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Forgotten Realms wiki says halflings are between 75 - 85 pounds (34-38.5 kg). I find that more believable than 30 to 35 pounds. Likewise it says gnomes can range from 50 - 75 pounds (22.6 - 34kg).
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Damn i feel so heavy,..

Quartz

tennisgolfboll said:

Those weight numbers a joke. Max strength for halflings should then be 8. Gnomes 10.

Hard-ass alert, hard-ass alert

GamingFreak

fun fact, many insects can lift up to ten times their own weight. Doesn't make them stronger than the thumb that squishes them, though.

HerrderGezeiten

You are so cruel,...

Cleric casts:
Flame Strike on you with his "staff" loup.

ReadingRambo

This thread made me think of the classic snl skit with Garrett Morris as antman



Edit: dang they pulled the video, SNL skits are hard to share it seems, but its a funny skit

elminster

GamingFreak said:

fun fact, many insects can lift up to ten times their own weight. Doesn't make them stronger than the thumb that squishes them, though.

Yet...



*Cue ominous approaching swarm of large insects*

Kaltzor

My Human Blackguard can carry around 1600... Or 800 without the Crom Fayer... (18 + Str tome + Lums machine)...

For NPCs though... Well Minsc can carry 320, how much does D&D say Humans weight?

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GamingFreak

elminster said:

GamingFreak said:

fun fact, many insects can lift up to ten times their own weight. Doesn't make them stronger than the thumb that squishes them, though.

Yet...



*Cue ominous approaching swarm of large insects*

Insect Plague makes wimps of us all.

Night_Watch

“Studies have shown that an ant can carry one hundred times its own weight, but there is no known limit to the lifting power of the average tiny eighty-year-old Spanish peasant grandmother.”
― Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man

booinyoureyes

elminster said:

GamingFreak said:

fun fact, many insects can lift up to ten times their own weight. Doesn't make them stronger than the thumb that squishes them, though.

Yet...



*Cue ominous approaching swarm of large insects*

Someone pissed off Cernd

Dragonspear

Little known fact:

The strongest race in game is actually our favorite lovable giant space hamster boo. Not only does he carry around Minsc........and Minsc's 320 carry weight.......if you give MINSC the strength belt, boo still has to carry it all.

#BaldursGateTruths