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So, is BGEE dead?

dwilliams1966dwilliams1966 Member Posts: 41
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Title says it all. Is BGEE dead? Should I just go back to my GoG versions of BG1 and 2?

A shame.

I purchased BG1, ToSC, BG2, and ToB, when they were first released, and still have all the original boxes, disks, receipts, and everything, and I supported the BGEE project from the moment I first heard about it.
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  • Wraith_SarevokWraith_Sarevok Member Posts: 130
    It was never alive to begin with.

    With any luck, it'll get shut down for good. By the way, have you ever heard of a major videogame release, then having their publisher pull the plug?
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    this is not MMO so the game can't be "dead"
  • DexterDexter Member Posts: 253
    edited August 2013
    I think it's still alive because BGEE is profitable. Alright, we don't know the numbers, but I assume it is. It's a 15 years old videogame with a huge community of fans willing to buy BG2, DLCs, even BG3. They've reached new platforms, so more people to sell their product. That's business, and publishers, copyright owners, distributors and the like want business. They'll finally come to terms and we'll have BG2EE.

    We want BG2EE!
  • AstafasAstafas Member Posts: 448
    BGEE is a wonderful product! I would gladly have paid five times what I have paid for everything it has added to the original game, even if no more patches would ever come out.
  • ojthesimpsonojthesimpson Member Posts: 121
    I am thoroughly enjoying the game as it is. I didn't even know there was another patch coming. that gives me more to be bummed about.

    It's a fresh play through the best game of all time. Thanks for that.
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    I guess OP and first commenter (especially) were deliberately trying to provoke a reaction. If you are so negative about BG EE, why would you subscribe to a BG EE forum?!

    BG EE is alive because it is a great game, an 'enhancement' of what was already a great game. It is so good that even though I had never played D&D PnP, or heard of BG, total noobs like me get hooked as soon as they give themselves a chance to become immersed in the adventures, challenges and NPCs.

    This franchise is far from dead, and once the legal issues are resolved, and if they publicise it well, it can grow and inspire a whole new generation of RPG gamers.
  • O_BruceO_Bruce Member Posts: 2,790
    Even thought that current issues, combined with some of Overhaul's shortcomings are irritating me greatly, I can say this: Baldur's Gate is still the rpg serie I have enjoyed the most.

    Fallouts were enjoyable, but not as enjoyable like BG. Same for the Witcher series, althought thrid game might change that fact. Icewind Dales were medicore. Diablo series I never considered as an rpgs...

    I might not pre-order BG2:EE, I might be angry at Overhaul but I'm still a fan. More precisely, I am angry at Overhaul BECAUSE I am a fan, thought critical and slowly-forgiving.

    BG:EE isn't dead, at least not yet.

    Pardon for my english. And salutation towards one particulary irritating grammar nazi on this forum.
  • mylegbigmylegbig Member Posts: 292
    Tresset said:


    It isn't dead. I have full confidence in the developers. Eventually the lawyer circus will end and this time period will be a faint bad memory. Both the patch and BG2:EE should eventually come out. It is just a matter of when.

    Unless the developers have suddenly become experts in law, I don't see a point in having confidence in them.

    Disputes like this tend to take years to solve, which would be disastrous for small company like this. It's not unlikely that the EEs will be shelved indefinitely. I hope that I'm wrong though.

  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    edited August 2013
    Astafas said:

    BGEE is a wonderful product! I would gladly have paid five times what I have paid for everything it has added to the original game, even if no more patches would ever come out.

    Either you got the game at a heavily reduced price, or you and I have very different standards when it comes to how much content we expect for our money.

    Edit: I should maybe clarify that I am specifically referring to the idea of paying 5 times as much for BG:EE. Now if one had got the game at say, 75% off, then being willing to pay 5 times as much (i.e. $25) isn't too crazy, but at a discount of 50% or less, you're looking at $50+, which is more than I'd be willing to pay for BG:EE.
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  • AstafasAstafas Member Posts: 448
    No, I've paid full price and I think it's almost nothing for the superb job the BGEE team has done. Either you love the game, or you don't. But as you said, we're probably not on the same side here.
  • mylegbigmylegbig Member Posts: 292
    Morte50 said:

    mylegbig said:

    Unless the developers have suddenly become experts in law, I don't see a point in having confidence in them.

    Ah, but you forget: in our modern society, we have this thing called 'money'. This 'money' can be exchanged for goods and services. Including legal services. From lawyers. Who are experts in law. Most of them. Just sayin'.

    mylegbig said:



    Disputes like this tend to take years to solve, which would be disastrous for small company like this.


    He's talking about their chance to succeed, not their ability to throw money at lawyers, which I'm fairly confident is much lower than that of the other side, especially since the company doesn't seem to have any source of income at the moment. One can have confidence in them still caring enough to try, which may lead to success, but actually having confidence in the developers themselves getting out of this mess implies that they have some significant way of affecting the outcome when it fact they may have very little.

    I apologize for pointing out that your well-intentioned sarcasm was misplaced.


  • Morte50Morte50 Member Posts: 161
    mylegbig said:


    He's talking about their chance to succeed, not their ability to throw money at lawyers, which I'm fairly confident is much lower than that of the other side, especially since the company doesn't seem to have any source of income at the moment. One can have confidence in them still caring enough to try, which may lead to success, but actually having confidence in the developers themselves getting out of this mess implies that they have some significant way of affecting the outcome when it fact they may have very little.

    I apologize for pointing out that your well-intentioned sarcasm was misplaced.

    I'm sorry, are you actually talking about yourself in the third person there?

    In any event, according to your/his post the degree of confidence explicitly hinges on their own legal expertise. See the part I quoted and replied to. My sarcasm was thus entirely on point.
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    Astafas said:

    No, I've paid full price and I think it's almost nothing for the superb job the BGEE team has done. Either you love the game, or you don't. But as you said, we're probably not on the same side here.

    I like the game well enough, I just couldn't imagine paying $100 for it (the "gladly have paid five times what I have paid" that you mentioned).
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    edited August 2013
    mylegbig said:

    Morte50 said:

    mylegbig said:

    Unless the developers have suddenly become experts in law, I don't see a point in having confidence in them.

    Ah, but you forget: in our modern society, we have this thing called 'money'. This 'money' can be exchanged for goods and services. Including legal services. From lawyers. Who are experts in law. Most of them. Just sayin'.

    mylegbig said:



    Disputes like this tend to take years to solve, which would be disastrous for small company like this.


    He's talking about their chance to succeed, not their ability to throw money at lawyers, which I'm fairly confident is much lower than that of the other side, especially since the company doesn't seem to have any source of income at the moment. One can have confidence in them still caring enough to try, which may lead to success, but actually having confidence in the developers themselves getting out of this mess implies that they have some significant way of affecting the outcome when it fact they may have very little.

    I apologize for pointing out that your well-intentioned sarcasm was misplaced.


    @mylegbig Yes, I was talking about their chance to succeed. I have reason to be confident.

    Some errors I found in your statement:
    The company sells things other than BG so they do have income. I also imagine that they get at least something from steam's profits off of the game.

    The other side (Atari) may still be stronger financially than Beamdog, but they have a heck of a lot more on their hands right now than Beamdog does. Atari may have more lawyer power, but because of their bankruptcy I guarantee you that they have their lawyers scattered all over the place dealing with all kinds of issues across the company. It isn't like they have the resources to do a mass lawyer attack on Beamdog right now. I would even suspect that the BG:EE dispute is close to the bottom of the list of Atari's concerns right now.

    One reason for my confidence is that most developers I see commenting on this topic say things like this:
    Dee said:

    We're doing our best to get the issues resolved as quickly as possible. So, yes, the game and the project is still very much alive. Unfortunately we can't say much more than that, but progress is being made, albeit slower than we'd like for the sake of our players.

    I am confident because they themselves are confident every time I see them speak of the matter.
  • Wraith_SarevokWraith_Sarevok Member Posts: 130
    edited August 2013
    Tresset said:

    You again Wraith_Sarevok? *sigh* Why do you even come here if you hate the game so much? That is a serious question that I would like an answer for.

    I was so flattered at how you stalk my activity every day waiting for me to show up. Loyalty like that had to be rewarded. ^_^


    Here's my argument. It's a gamer's argument and a really simple one, so try to keep up:

    This is taking way, way too long. 3+ months now and I've lost interest. TrentOster keeps making promises and can't keep them. He promised to release the game Semptember 18, 2012 and he delayed it to November 30. He promised enhancements, and instead we got bad writing and completely out-of-character NPCs. He promised Quality Assurance, and he released a buggy game that constantly crashed. He promised to fix those bugs in a timely manner and add multiplayer support. 7+ patches and nearly 1 year later, its still broken. Why should I trust him anymore?

    Everyone I know who wanted to play this game has either moved on or gone back to GoG as the definitive version. Only the most die-hard fanboys are still combing the forums and sending letters to the devs, trying to get something out of it. It's pointless. By the time this resolves, if EVER, nobody will be around to care anymore. It reminds me of the Time Warner Cable vs. CBS fight that's going on right now.

    So take this for what its worth, hopefully more people realize that they've been wasting their life waiting for this awful game to come out, and moves on. Back to CastleVania Dracula X for me.
  • RazorRazor Member Posts: 436
    edited August 2013
    The real danger here is that the team may have to move on to other projects if this mess isnt solved fast. But there is space for both EE and Tutu.
    Why do you talk about GoG version? Does it come with mods? because I don't have the time to be searching for them or testing if they work, thats why I prefer EE. Sure many promissed updates and fixes are not here yet but I know overhaul is doing their best.
    PS. is GoG version the same as Atari retail pack?
  • BanexBanex Member Posts: 127
    When WS mentions gone back to the GOG version.I think he means the old versions and their respective mods.Which are a must have.That's the original concept of EE,it's the old games updated graphically with a lot of these mods already included in the engine.I for one am playing the old BG2 but i'll still be interested should BG2EE see the light of day.Fingers crossed.
  • mylegbigmylegbig Member Posts: 292
    Morte50 said:

    mylegbig said:


    He's talking about their chance to succeed, not their ability to throw money at lawyers, which I'm fairly confident is much lower than that of the other side, especially since the company doesn't seem to have any source of income at the moment. One can have confidence in them still caring enough to try, which may lead to success, but actually having confidence in the developers themselves getting out of this mess implies that they have some significant way of affecting the outcome when it fact they may have very little.

    I apologize for pointing out that your well-intentioned sarcasm was misplaced.

    I'm sorry, are you actually talking about yourself in the third person there?

    In any event, according to your/his post the degree of confidence explicitly hinges on their own legal expertise. See the part I quoted and replied to. My sarcasm was thus entirely on point.
    I never referred to myself. Seeing that you lack basic comprehension skills, I see that it's pointless talking. Good day to you, sir.

  • mylegbigmylegbig Member Posts: 292
    Tresset said:


    @mylegbig Yes, I was talking about their chance to succeed. I have reason to be confident.

    Some errors I found in your statement:
    The company sells things other than BG so they do have income. I also imagine that they get at least something from steam's profits off of the game.

    The other side (Atari) may still be stronger financially than Beamdog, but they have a heck of a lot more on their hands right now than Beamdog does. Atari may have more lawyer power, but because of their bankruptcy I guarantee you that they have their lawyers scattered all over the place dealing with all kinds of issues across the company. It isn't like they have the resources to do a mass lawyer attack on Beamdog right now. I would even suspect that the BG:EE dispute is close to the bottom of the list of Atari's concerns right now.

    One reason for my confidence is that most developers I see commenting on this topic say things like this:

    Dee said:

    We're doing our best to get the issues resolved as quickly as possible. So, yes, the game and the project is still very much alive. Unfortunately we can't say much more than that, but progress is being made, albeit slower than we'd like for the sake of our players.

    I am confident because they themselves are confident every time I see them speak of the matter.
    Didn't know about the other things the sell, so I'm wrong there.

    As for the developer comments, I tend to take such things with a grain of salt. In case things do turn out well, they don't want their customers to abandon ship before everything is settled. As I said though, I hope that I'm wrong.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    mylegbig said:

    As for the developer comments, I tend to take such things with a grain of salt. In case things do turn out well, they don't want their customers to abandon ship before everything is settled. As I said though, I hope that I'm wrong.

    Understandable; though I have a slightly different relationship with the devs, seeing as I'm not just any customer. I have no reason to suspect that they would be misinforming me for such purposes as keeping my business.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    I'll remind everyone that this site does have rules about being respectful of others, even in disagreement.
  • mylegbigmylegbig Member Posts: 292
    Tresset said:



    Understandable; though I have a slightly different relationship with the devs, seeing as I'm not just any customer.

    Ah. Didn't know that. Don't really know who's who here.

  • ambrennanambrennan Member Posts: 173
    BGEE is vastly superior to BG which is from before Windows had multi-user support (let's just run everything as super user and store all user files in c/program file/foo... What could possibly go wrong?)
  • blackchimesblackchimes Member Posts: 323
    If the legal nonsesne doesn't get resolved soon then yes, it's "dead".
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    Sylvus_Moonbow said:

    *Sylvus Moonbow shoots flaming arrow*

    *Sylvus Moonbow did 22 damage to Troll*

    Troll - Death

    PAUSED
    UNPAUSED

    The Party Has Gained Experience: 1400

    To speed up your frame rate, check the config program.

    That's what you get when the Referee rolls hit points on the spot...
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