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MathuzzzMathuzzz Member Posts: 203
So I made a bet with my young cousin (he is the first time player, with fighter character I made him :), that I will finish the game with pure mage party. I can call myself BG veteran, playing through the game from time to time.
However during the years BG1 became pretty easy, finished it with solo ranger class without problems, etc...
I always loved mages design in BG and BG1 had many of them, all with interesting personalities. However mages had hard time in the first BG, so I took the challenge and I´m going to take all the original ones - Xzar(necromancer), Xan (enchanter), Edwin (conjurer), Dynaheir (invoker) and Quayle (illusionist) plus me, transmuter. Have you ever tried it? Surely it will be fun, yesterday after I got 10 times one-hit killed by wolf and 20 times by Tarnesh I realized that is not the way to start. So right now I´m trying to make all the quests that don´t require combat, so I can improve a bit :D

UPDATE
It has been a while, I had to interrupt the game for a some time, but here I am standing on the streets of Baldur´s Gate :) I haven´t touched TOTSC areas and skipped plenty of vanilla areas also (Firewine, lighthouse coast area and some less interesting wilderness areas.
About the difficulty, Cloakwood forest/mines, together with Ulcaster were probably the most frustrating. However all three chapter-end fights were piece of cake and overall human parties are no challenge.

My question, however, is, can I take Quayle to my party? I have one party slot free and he is the last mage in the game. I was thinking, that I would take him, but empty his priest scroll and use only weapons mages are allowed to use, but still, he is no pure mage. What do you think?
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  • CoryNewbCoryNewb Member Posts: 1,330
    I tried a solo caster, but didn't make it too far. She had to cast find familiar just to fight wolves and do the quests at the start of the game. Once you get a few more members to your outfit it should come easier. You can kite a bit and rock some slings (no pun intended).
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    edited September 2013
    "Bold move Cotton. Let's see how that pays out."

    I once played a dual mage challenge, with Xzar I believe...? Or Imoen dualled early around lvl 3...
    Challenging, captivating combats and complex, creative solutions where a Fighter would just run in and hack around. And yes - it pays out to do the non-combat quests first (Beregost, Joia's ring...)
    Don't remember, where I stopped. And I am indeed interested and intrigued and want to see how far you'll get.
  • CoryNewbCoryNewb Member Posts: 1,330
    Southpaw said:

    "Bold move cotton. Let's see how that plays out."

    I lol'd

    and yes, keep us updated mathuzz on your progress.
  • BattlehamsterBattlehamster Member Posts: 298
    "Bold move Cotton. Let's see how that pays out."

    Er...what?
  • RagingOrcRagingOrc Member Posts: 63
    edited September 2013
    This is really interesting. I'm a big fan of arcane magic in the BG Saga and Mages and Sorcerers are my favorite main characters. Definitely let us know how you get on!

    Personally I think it would be really interesting to play this setup multiplayer as well, with each mage focusing on using magic from their school only.

    It would require a lot of patience and trust though as well as borderline madness. Once the patch is out and the client is up and running nicely, let me know if your interested, It could be fairly hilarious :)

    Anyway, do keep us updated and good luck :)
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  • CoryNewbCoryNewb Member Posts: 1,330

    "Bold move Cotton. Let's see how that pays out."

    Er...what?

    Dodgeball!
  • MathuzzzMathuzzz Member Posts: 203
    I will let you know, but as I don´t have much time to play right now, it will take me some time to finish the game, I will play mostly at weekends.
    Also, I play this one in vanilla game. I wanted to know, if I can beat the original game, without any additions.
    Was not able to beat Silke with me and Xzar on level 1, so I had to go for Edwin. We are now more powerful in trio.
    Also, something for fun, some progress :) :
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    I wanted to play an all Mage party but haven't gotten around to it yet. I was in ee and went as a sorcerer, and got bealoth right off, I think. Supposably, you to have to be lvl 6, but I've gotten him with a solo sorcerer at lvl 1. I was trying to solo, so I killed him for the Mage robe.
  • riyahhassettriyahhassett Member Posts: 59
    It's really hard.
  • MathmickMathmick Member Posts: 326
    I've tried 5.5-mage party and it is absolutely hilarious. Definitely recommended as long as you have a Thief in their somewhere (I had multi-Thief/Mage leader).
  • MathuzzzMathuzzz Member Posts: 203
    Well, I plan to play without Thief. For traps I will simply use protections, for unlocking, there Knock.
  • PalanthisPalanthis Member Posts: 283
    edited September 2013

    It's really hard.

    I don't think so actually. Mages are very weak at start, but once (if ?) he can get his team to level 5 then his 6 mages have access to level-3 spells, and he should have a badass team from this point. Mages are the most powerful characters in the BG saga, if played right.
    No enemy can be a challenge when haste, slow, fireballs and crowd-control spells are flying everywhere.

    Of course it could still be tedious for some, since you have to rest often. Otherwise, with no spells available, any fight is obviously going to be hard for mages :)
  • GaveGave Member Posts: 66
    I wish you could trigger traps with summons and charmed creatures, that would be way easier. Other then that, yeah still should be plenty challenging until you get lvl3 spells for the entire team.
  • alnairalnair Member Posts: 561
    edited September 2013
    Mathuzzz said:

    so I had to go for Edwin

    Shouldn't that prevent you from having Dynaheir join now?
    (Edit: or rather, now you will be forced to choose either one of them)

    Anyway, awesome playthrough, I'd definitely like to try something similar as well!
  • CorvinoCorvino Member Posts: 2,269
    Might be quite a bit easier with a fighter/mage CHARNAME. This way you'll have a tank early on, and won't be as reliant on summons for melee.
  • AranthysAranthys Member Posts: 722
    edited September 2013
    How about a sorcerer CHARNAME ?

    A level 9 sorcerer gets access to quite a few spells, and can act as a very nice buffer/debuffer for the group.
    6 level 1 spells per day /5 picks
    6 level 2 spells per day /4 picks
    6 level 3 spells per day /3 picks
    4 level 4 spells per day /2 picks

    I'd probably pick things like :
    1st- Magic Missile, Sleep, Grease, Blindness, Shield
    2nd- Glitterdust, Aganazzar's Scorcher, Web, Mirror Image
    3rd- Slow, Haste, Melf's Minute Meteor
    4th- Stoneskin, Greater Curse

    Basically, if you encounter a tough group, you go Greater Curse > Slow
    Everything is slowed (They have to save vs -8 !).
    You can then have fun with other things, like, say, blindness, melfs

    You don't want to learn fireball or lightning bolt, simply because there's tons of Wands, and these are easily rechargeable.
    Actually, you could probably even replace Aganazzar's Scorcher with something else.

    There's also a lot of things one can do while playing a Wizard to deal with ennemies. Trouble will never come from the swarms, but from the big bad boys with low saves that you will encounter (IE : Karoug, Sarevok... but you can probably burn them down by spamming magic missles if you've got a full wizard group)
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  • GaveGave Member Posts: 66
    Too bad you cant reach the max potential of MM in BG1 due to levelcap, shoting 5 missiles with 6 party member would turn the scene into a Star Trek battle... *fire everything!!* :D
  • AranthysAranthys Member Posts: 722
    edited September 2013
    Gave said:

    Too bad you cant reach the max potential of MM in BG1 due to levelcap, shoting 5 missiles with 6 party member would turn the scene into a Star Trek battle... *fire everything!!* :D

    Actually you can.
    BG1 level cap is level 9 for Wizards / Sorcerers / (Even 10 for Bards)
  • AnduinAnduin Member Posts: 5,745
    edited September 2013
    Mage party...

    MAGE PARTY! ! !

    Why was I not invited!

    *Anduin storms off in sulk*
  • MathuzzzMathuzzz Member Posts: 203
    TOTSC areas are going to be the biggest challenge, especially the mentioned Karoug.

    alnair, yes, I´m aware of the possible conflict between them, I hope it won´t end in bloodshed, because Edwin is the best mage in the game, however Dynaheir is invoker, which is the mage that focus on most of the offensive spells. I will probably take Edwin then.
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,643
    Anduin said:

    Mage party...

    MAGE PARTY! ! !

    Why was I not invited!

    *Anduin storms off in sulk*

    You only get invited to the lemon party.
  • alnairalnair Member Posts: 561
    Mathuzzz said:

    alnair, yes, I´m aware of the possible conflict between them, I hope it won´t end in bloodshed, because Edwin is the best mage in the game, however Dynaheir is invoker, which is the mage that focus on most of the offensive spells. I will probably take Edwin then.

    Actually you can recruit them both if you already have Dynaheir in your party when you first talk to Edwin (he will join to "keep an eye on her"), but not the other way around, if I recall correctly...
  • MathuzzzMathuzzz Member Posts: 203
    alnair said:

    Mathuzzz said:

    alnair, yes, I´m aware of the possible conflict between them, I hope it won´t end in bloodshed, because Edwin is the best mage in the game, however Dynaheir is invoker, which is the mage that focus on most of the offensive spells. I will probably take Edwin then.

    Actually you can recruit them both if you already have Dynaheir in your party when you first talk to Edwin (he will join to "keep an eye on her"), but not the other way around, if I recall correctly...
    Are you sure??! Because I already took Edwin :(
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,643
    I'm pretty sure you can get both regardless. I seem to remember getting them both in like my first ever play through from many years ago, and I definitely would have gotten Edwin first.
  • MadhaxMadhax Member Posts: 1,416
    I agree with Aranthys regarding a Sorcerer PC, but why not take this a step further? Rock a Dragon Disciple PC as your party's main tank! Melee-oriented spells, extra health, and fire resistance could make the PC an interesting, atypical tank in this party that will be a fantastic target for the rest of the team's fireballs.

    Either way, this would cut down on your demand for scrolls, something I would anticipate being a problem in BG1.
  • XerxesVXerxesV Member Posts: 187
    6 mages = 6 minute meteors per round for 20 rounds.
  • alnairalnair Member Posts: 561
    Mathuzzz said:

    Are you sure??! Because I already took Edwin :(

    Not sure, no, but a cursory search on the forum seems to confirm that theory. If you try, though, let us know how it goes!
  • GaveGave Member Posts: 66
    I just started an IWD run (full mage party) inspired by this thread, all I can say about after the first areas is Aww, Eww and Ugh!.

    It might get better ...
  • MathuzzzMathuzzz Member Posts: 203
    edited September 2013
    Well, I remember IWD being harder than BG1, so I wonder, how far will you get (not underestimating your D&D skills :)

    Madhax, as I said, I play it in vanilla, so I can only create either ordinary mage or specialist. No sorcerer, no wild mage or any other kits I don´t even know of :D
  • AranthysAranthys Member Posts: 722
    Full mage starts bad.
    As soon as you can use some summons, and get enough spells to cover the killing, all you need is to be able to rest, basically.
    Wizards aren't very strong until they have access to level 3 spells (Haste, Slow), but after that, they become powerhouses, either for the group or against ennemies.

    Except if you manage to get a wand or two... then, well, a level 1 Wizard is already almighty.
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