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I have no complaints- I'm just happy to play BG on my MAC and that the games have been given new life. I don't care about ANY of the issues. The absolute joy I receive from playing BG EE surpasses all that.
All I want now is to play through with a character from 1 to 2 and if you find it in your hearts to bless us with 3 I might just cry.
All I want now is to play through with a character from 1 to 2 and if you find it in your hearts to bless us with 3 I might just cry.
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Amen to that.
One can suggest improvements ("hey, this needs some refining") without complaining ("hey, this sucks, you suck, you owe me an apology for how much you suck").
You have wrong definition of "complaining".
I'm not saying that every complaint here has been voiced in that way, but it's definitely a frequent occurrence.
Besides I was referring specifically to this.
The crackling sound that occurs in the movie scenes is really frigging irritating. Dunno why it happens but it forces me to skip the movies. It was a bug introduced in like the 3rd patch - the one that changed the intro movie.
Lol.
But @Corvino is right. There's nothing really game breaking cropped up for me.
Point is, there should be complains or negative feedback in order to make devs keep going. I enjoy BG:EE, I really do, but I'm not going to close my eyes on some imperfections that can be fixed. Because I'm a fan.
No one is saying there isn't issues to be dealt with. I think what people are saying is in essence "its more frigging Baldur's Gate! Why are you bitching?" lol.
You know, that kind of approach reminds me of fanboyism. To think that everybody should be 100% pleased with current state of events. No extremes are good at all.
So if you have a negative feedback about something and you're not complaining, doesn't that mean that you are satisfied even when things don't work as they should?
@alnair is that what you meant?
Anyway, one could argue that it's possible to be satisfied with the overall state of BG:EE, while at the same time having some specific negative remarks. Which is exactly how I feel.
I would also read his thread as a direct counter to some of the extreme self important overly-entitled belly aching that has occurred elsewhere on this forum.
I promise that the entire staff of Beamdog / Overhaul games is aware of issues with BG:EE and the dissatisfied players resulting from them, and that we are doing everything in our power to address those issues.
In exchange, I'm going to ask that you stop insulting people who are satisfied with the game. Because it is an opinion, a valid opinion, and just because you disagree or are more affected by one bug or another doesn't make it any less of a valid opinion.
I disagree.
It isn't fanboyism. Or rather not in this case. It is a degree of severity thing.
Take for example the fan reaction to Mass Effect 3. After two awesome games, and a library of brilliant games, Mass Effect 3 is a thoroughly mediocre game (worse than Dragon Age 2 IMO).
It has a terrible storyline, it was and is still probably the buggiest Bioware game i've ever played, it rendered Mass Effect 2 entirely pointless because it almost completely ignores the second game in its OWN TRILOGY, it doesn't have a proper introduction, it had a batshit insane ending that they rendered down to merely "meh" with the EC DLC, they stripped out a LOT of the elements typically associated with RPGs - to me this game is an Action 3rd Person shooter not an Action-RPG and it's not even a very good Action 3rd Person Shooter.
It's not bad, there are some truely excellent moments in this game. But overall it's a massive disappointment of a game.
And a lot of people took that view. A lot of people thought "this is utter crap! wtf is this?!" And having that viewpoint was completely legitimate as the game is so so bad compared to it's predecessors; but when folk began bringing up how bad this game actually is we got a whole host of people including a crapton of gaming "journalists" deriding the gamers who disliked ME3 and what Bioware did with it (legitimately) as "entitled idiots". And to me these people? They were guilty of "fanboyism".
Compare that to the situation with BGEE.
BGEE is a great game. It's Baldur's Gate of course its a great game. None of the problems are game breaking unlike with ME3. Nothing thats wrong with the game or with Overhaul could possibly (presuming you are a reasonable person) make you feel like you never want to play Baldur's Gate again (unlike how many people couldn't bring themselves to play Mass Effect AT ALL because of ME3).
If we had a situation where like with ME3 the game was just broken on release, where everyone reached a certain point in the game and could no longer play because of a bug, or because of a broken story element, or a plot device that makes no sense then yes saying something like "it's baldur's gate! why are you complaining?" would indeed be "fanboyism".
However what issues there are are being worked on, and can be worked around. Nothings broken.
And while these issues should certainly be discussed, it should be a in a reasonable way so that the "come on guys it's more baldur's gate!" response wouldn't be necessary. So no in this case I don't believe it's fanboyism.
What insult? In this discussion?
So you don't like ME3 and some people likes it and defends it and you consider them fanboys.
You like BGEE and defend it, but people that don't like it should not consider you a fanboy.
It looks to me that you believe it is your personal taste that should dictate who is a fanboy and who isn't.
Mind you, I'm not saying you are a fanboy nor I'm insulting you, I'm just commenting on the logic of your post.
This is not a mod being produced by volunteers or whatnot. It is a product being produced by professionals.
Anyway, the forums are an open communication method and people have to take the good with the bad. The developers get plenty of sunshine and roses comments, but that does not mean that criticisms are unwarranted. My current pet peeve was the intimation that the new renderer and patch that fixes bugs introduced by the enhancing operations was all but ready to go and that the legal dispute with Atari was the hold-up; the patch was not (and still is no) ready. I feel completely justified in pointing this out (and being dissatisfied).
I cannot change the past, nor can I do anything to hasten delivery of the patch, fixes or BG2:EE. What I can do is hold off on my purchase of BG2:EE (or not buy it at all). Or I can alternately decide that, dissatisfactions aside, I'm willing to purchase or pre-purchase BG2:EE. I guess what I'm saying is that it comes down to choices and whatnot, but that criticisms and complaints are warranted in many cases (as are compliments and praise).
Just as we don't want to discourage people from voicing their concerns, we don't want to discourage people from talking about how they have none.
On the subject of "complaint" versus "whining", the word complaint does have some negative connotations associated with it, mostly of the idiomatic variety; you might say "quit complaining" when someone is talking about something they dislike, if you're tired of hearing them bring it up.
It's not the same thing as "whining" (or "bitching", as I think someone mentioned above), which is where you incessantly talk about the same problem over and over. Whining is not useful to anybody, and I do see some of that on these forums once in a while, but that also doesn't mean that what people are whining about isn't important.
In this context, if someone says they have "no complaints", maybe that just means that they trust us to remedy the concerns that they do have, and that in the mean-time they're enjoying the experience. I don't see that as fanboyism.
Believe me when I say that this one thread (among thousands) will not make us slack in our efforts. We're committed; that much isn't going to change any time soon. But among the dozens of threads of complaints (and, yes, the occasional whining), sometimes it's nice to hear that someone's actually enjoying what we've been working on, despite the issues that have been hashed and rehashed over the past several months.
"We're committed; that much isn't going to change any time soon" - it's golden indeed.
Actually, I like ME3 nearly in its entirety up until those last ten or so minutes. Very close to the end of a DLC + EC run, so I'll see how that goes. Aside from the wonky gun balance (Scimitar shotgun and Revenant LMG nerfs in particular), ME3 was very much a gameplay improvement over both previous titles, melding the RPG with the shooter better than ME2 while maintaining the fast-paced viscerality found there, and re-orienting the game toward RPG while leaving out a lot of useless minutiae from ME1, where melee combat was worthless and some skills provided negligible numerical benefits.
And, aside from some of the animations being way over-the-top in DA2, I also found that to be a very excellent game. I missed my two-handed axe animations having the weight and heft they did in DAO, but I quickly got over that when I immersed myself in the character-driven fantasy narrative I've always wanted.
But, hey, that's just one "fanboy's" opinion, I guess. I believe this captures the intent of the thread perfectly. There's a lot of vitriol and entitlement intermingled with some of the negative feedback, particular in the realm of pricing for BG2EE, and this thread is meant to buffer that and show the devs some love.
Yes, there are some complaints, even some occasional hating and trolling on this board, but they come mostly from the same few people. The overwhelming majority of people in this board are showing mainly positive feedback. Just consider, for instance, the OP, he already got (at the moment of my writing, likely much more at the moment of your reading) 12 likes and 11 agrees.