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Is it just me or did the dialouges get a lot more kinky?

So, I noticed that a lot of the newly added dialouges are a lot more bedroom talk.

Spoiler:

Viconia zu Edwina: "And yet, wizard, the sounds coming from your bedroll indicate you do not find fault with *all* that is a woman's privilege."

Dorn zu Bhodi: "Ah. Yes. Not my finest hour. A decent eight minutes, though, if I do say so myself."

Anomen: "May I venture to guess, Neera, that you have never been courted by a proper knight?"
Neera: "If by "proper knight," you mean you, then no; but I've got a feeling I'm about to get a taste."
Anomen: "Feeling and tasting come later, dear lady."

Most of the dialouge between Viconia and Hexxat in general.

And a lot more I can't remember right now.

Don't get me wrong, this is not a complaint, just an observation ~
I mean, in the original, the characters tended to talk through the flower, like we say around here. Let alone making snarky sex jokes (which are a hilarious addition btw).

Maybe it's all just my immagination.
Maybe not.

If not, how come that you guys could add that stuff? Wasn't the original game PG-13 or something?
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  • bman86bman86 Member Posts: 115
    that'd still pull pg13 me thinks. But yeah, there are some nice additions lol
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    edited November 2013
    Well, I am not all to familiar with the rating overseas. I just always got the impression that anything bedroom related is a big no no in north america when it comes to ratings.

    PS: Unrelated sitenote but I just realized that Dorn got a lot funnier compared to BG:EE. He actually crackes a joke every once in a while and doesn't try to kill you as soon as you make the slightest attempt on teasing him. Me gusta ~
  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975
    Times have changed. American video games in the 90s had to be a lot more prudish than they are now. I'm honestly surprised they got away with Aerie getting pregnant. Now adults in video games are allowed to flirt and banter in ways more resembling how actual adult people frequently do. The medium's grown up a (very, very little) bit.
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    I find it funny that being able to court a single mother in games is basically non-existent, making me wonder if that's another taboo. I've played games where the most interesting character with the best personality whom I wanted my character to court was a single mother, but NOPE! Not gonna happen! Who cares if she's closer in age to your character than the girl that's seemingly barely a teenager, not allowed.
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    @Akihiko
    Maybe I am just to tired but I have not the slightest idea right now what you are refereing to o.o
  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975
    I'm also curious which game you're referring to. Your avatar indicates you have good taste in them, at least. :)
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    Nothing in particular. Just games in general where your character has an option for their love interest, there is never a single mother option, even if the game has a single mother in it that is of comparable age to your character.
  • bman86bman86 Member Posts: 115
    yeah! Where's the milf love?!
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    edited November 2013
    Ohhh, now I get what you mean. I thought you were referencing to something especially in Baldur's Gate.

    First things that comes to mind: Prof Oak dates your mother in Pokémon (not really, but it's a common headcanon) and the red Spy in Team Fortress 2 dates blu Scout's mother (which is canon).

    But then again, those are the exeption, not the rule.
    I don't think it's a taboo, I simply guess that it's because of the target demographics usually being young adults and teenagers which are usually not out there to bait some milfs. But then again, I don't know how the common male brain looks from the inside.

    PS:
    In reverse, didn't Carth in KOTOR have a son or something? You could start a relationship with him (Carth, not the son :I ), if I remember correctly.
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    And what do you call a male milf? A filf???
  • bman86bman86 Member Posts: 115
    whaaat... no such thing
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    I honestly don't remember if Carth had a son, been a long time since I played KOTOR. And wow, I didn't think anybody would recognize my avatar. ;) I know I've played a few games like I've described, but the only one that comes to mind off the top of my head is Rune Factory: A Fantasy Harvest Moon. There was a single mother (I think she was a blacksmith? Not sure, been a while) seemingly in her mid-to-late twenties that was the most interesting character imo, but she wasn't a romance option.
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    I never played KOTOR far, I only know about his son from this cartoon here:
    Spoiler:
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    OLD OWL WELL
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632


    First things that comes to mind: Prof Oak dates your mother in Pokémon (not really, but it's a common headcanon)

    It IS!? My world has been turned upside down... but I don't feel so bad for taking off and leaving her alone now.
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    edited November 2013
    @nano
    What. That is the whole big conspiracy about it: Prof Oak sends you on your glorious quest to find the mana se..... catch all the Pokémon so that he can spend time with your mom.
    Next time you should question it when your neighbour sends you on a fetch quest that takes several weeks and your mom stays alone at home.

    PS: Buttercheese. Successfully ruining childhoods since 1991.
  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975
    Dangan Ronpa is pretty brilliant, I'm basically planning to get a Vita just to buy it and support it being localised.

    I only played Rune Factory II, but yeah, I don't doubt you're right. Female romantic interests in fiction are pretty frequently locked into, let's say, pretty narrow boundaries of character possibilities. Heck, for all that Baldur's Gate has some issues with its treatment of women (it's a product of its time, so what can you do), Jaheira is pretty transgressive, being older than your character and already married. She hasn't had a child, but even that much out of the "young, virginal" archetype is sadly rare.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    I thought he wanted me to pursue my destiny D:

    Great, so it turns out he just wants the kid out of the picture and sends him on a dangerous quest into the wilderness chasing deadly monsters. What a guy...
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    @Ayiekie Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. And I played the fan translation of Dangan Ronpa, and I was like "Holy crap! Not only is this game awesome, this is professional level localization too!" ...And then a few months later I see that they're bringing it over. Coincidence? :P
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    Wait, your complain with female characters in video games is, that you only get to *date* a certain type of them?

    I think the problem is rather that there are only so many types of female character in video games in general. While it is getting better and BioWare games always where the glimmering exeption.

    On a different note, maybe it's because of the characteristics themselfs. The classic female love interest in a videogame is usually a damsel in distress, young and pure, the kind of gal to which compared even the tiniest whimpy excuse of a guy looks manly compared to (which adds up nicely to my thesis on why there is soooo much more Aerie fanart drawn by guys out there than Viconia or Jaheira fanart. Viconia fanartist are usually female).

    I don't know how it these days but not to long ago, the majority of guys wanted a gal like Aerie: Someone who makes themself feel strong, someone to protect, someone you can be a hero for. Which is why these kinds of characters are the majority out there. (Oh hey, that also explains why so many guys here on the forum complain about not being able to save Clara: Yet another little girl to be rescued.)

    Anyway: The damsel in distress and the single monther are two things that don't mix well, for obvious reasons.

    The closest thing we get to a single mother in Baldur's Gate would probably be Jaheira. While she doesn't actually have a child, she has a very motherly attitude. Plus, she could easily be Charname's mother, age wise.

    Draw your own conclusions.
  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975
    edited November 2013
    Uh-oh, you're from the Super-Duper translation. I am from the Super-High-School-Level translation. Now I think this can only end in some sort of over-the-top-violence. :)

    On-topic, I liked Dragon Age 2's range of romancable characters; although the actual mom-figure of the group wasn't romanceable again (you can flirt with her, though). Man, you've got me thinking about it now, but I can't think of a single romance-with-a-mother in a video game. Surely there's got to be at least one?
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    Yes, Dragon Age was very varried, but like I said, BioWare games always where the exeption.

    The next big step would be to introduce female characters that would not pass as top models/ porn stars/ kawaii desu little girls/ all of the above.

    You know, real people.
  • bman86bman86 Member Posts: 115
    the problem with the single mother scenario is that she can't exactly be out there cracking goblin skulls with a child in tow. We're not down the local shop, bumping into people at the check out line... are children even allowed in the adventurer's mart?
  • ZarakinthishZarakinthish Member Posts: 214
    I can think of a few mothers who are the love interest in some of my adult visual novels, but I typically don't think of visual novels as "video games".
  • LordInsaneLordInsane Member Posts: 38
    Ayiekie said:

    Times have changed. American video games in the 90s had to be a lot more prudish than they are now. I'm honestly surprised they got away with Aerie getting pregnant. Now adults in video games are allowed to flirt and banter in ways more resembling how actual adult people frequently do. The medium's grown up a (very, very little) bit.

    Late 90s, I'd say. I can think of a counter-example in the mid 90s - Daggerfall, with an explicit sex scene in one of the books and upper-body nudity (both on the character's image, and with dancers in several temples).
  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975

    Wait, your complain with female characters in video games is, that you only get to *date* a certain type of them?

    No, that is a complaint with them. Not even close to the only one.


    I think the problem is rather that there are only so many types of female character in video games in general. While it is getting better and BioWare games always where the glimmering exeption.

    On a different note, maybe it's because of the characteristics themselfs. The classic female love interest in a videogame is usually a damsel in distress, young and pure, the kind of gal to which compared even the tiniest whimpy excuse of a guy looks manly compared to (which adds up nicely to my thesis on why there is soooo much more Aerie fanart drawn by guys out there than Viconia or Jaheira fanart. Viconia fanartist are usually female).

    That I would certainly agree with you on, more or less. I'd also say that applies to most popular media, though, not just video games. Though to be honest I'd say I'd seen more Viconia fanart than Aerie, usually for her sexy-bad-girl-dominatrixy connotations. Not that that's really much better, although I'd hasten to add there is nothing wrong with finding either Viconia or Aerie sexy.

    I'd say another problem with single mothers is the unfortunate perception that they are less desirable due to being perceived by some segments of the population (at least in the opinion of marketers) as "used goods", and also due to the fact that they would be societally expected to not want to devote themselves entirely to the (inevitably male) love interest. Fathers like Carth don't face the same level of social opprobium for being estranged from their children.

    Of course, there's lots of reasons always tightly knotted up in these kinds of questions.


    I don't know how it these days but not to long ago, the majority of guys wanted a gal like Aerie: Someone who makes themself feel strong, someone to protect, someone you can be a hero for. Which is why these kinds of characters are the majority out there. (Oh hey, that also explains why so many guys here on the forum complain about not being able to save Clara: Yet another little girl to be rescued.)

    Let's not start up the Clara debate in an unrelated thread?
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    bman86 said:

    the problem with the single mother scenario is that she can't exactly be out there cracking goblin skulls with a child in tow. We're not down the local shop, bumping into people at the check out line... are children even allowed in the adventurer's mart?

    You could easily make that the plot: Her child got kidnapped and she is out to rescue it or she gets blackmailed in order to get the evil guy a magic artifact or something while her child is being help a prisoner.

    Or she could be an elf or something and her children are simply already living on their own. In fact, that's a really interesting concept. Why havn't I met any elven companions with adult children in videogames yet???
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    Oh damn. Now that, @Buttercheese is a very good question.
  • bman86bman86 Member Posts: 115
    edited November 2013

    bman86 said:

    the problem with the single mother scenario is that she can't exactly be out there cracking goblin skulls with a child in tow. We're not down the local shop, bumping into people at the check out line... are children even allowed in the adventurer's mart?

    You could easily make that the plot: Her child got kidnapped and she is out to rescue it or she gets blackmailed in order to get the evil guy a magic artifact or something while her child is being help a prisoner.

    Or she could be an elf or something and her children are simply already living on their own. In fact, that's a really interesting concept. Why havn't I met any elven companions with adult children in videogames yet???
    What happens when her child is retrieved? She rides off into the sunset with child in tow.

    Why would an elderly elf, who has already established herself (had a family), be off killing stuff?

    You're over thinking it. Why can't we just have single girls and guys hit it off and leave the complicated marital/child status out of it... romance after all is just a bit of filler between the questing and goblin skull-cracking ;D
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    Ayiekie said:

    Let's not start up the Clara debate in an unrelated thread?

    Agreed, but I just think it's so interesting to see how the human mind works ~ And since I am on the outside looking in, I can easily analyze the reasons and the thinking processes behind the whole controversial debate.
    Humans are so complex and yet so simple.
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,766
    edited November 2013
    bman86 said:

    You're over thinking it. Why can't we just have single girls and guys hit it off and leave the complicated marital/child status out of it... romance after all is just a bit of filler between the questing and goblin skull-cracking ;D

    And now I demand a Baldur's Gate Dating Sim xD
    (Oh Bhaal, please no.)
    bman86 said:

    What happens when her child is retrieved? She rides off into the sunset with child in tow.

    That could be the games goal. And oh glob, I just realised: While he is not romanceable, Cernd is a single dad Oo
    After rescuing his child, he simply gives it to the druids. Ah, Baldur's Gate is full of horrible fathers ~

    Rieltar, Bhaal, Keldorn, Cernd, Angelo ~ Just to name those I can spontaniously think of.

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