Elminster in BG1:EE is (easily) killable

Edvin

Elminster should be rank S, extra epic legendary wizard, ten times more powerfull then Drizzt...

Interestingly, some of the less powerful persons in BG:EE and BG2:EE are set as immortal and poor Elminster is so easy to kill and even nor prevent.

He shoud be set as immortal or at least get his spellbook from BG2 ( he is pretty tough in BG2 ).

Tresset

Not really a bug so much as a feature request. He does possess the most powerful 2nd level spell though.

Edvin

@Tresset
Elminster is one of the most powerful people from whole realms.
He should be able kill CHARNAME by one hand movement.
We can kill him with like poor peasant and you dont call that bug?

booinyoureyes

ctrl y

Elminwho?

Tresset

Well at least he has spells now...

SpaceInvader

Yes, BUT you can kill Elminster only metagaming

Ryofu

By the time of the events of ToB, CHARNAME is already one of the most powerful people in the realms. IIRC Elminster is a level 29 wizard in 2ed ADnD. With the xp cap removed i easily equalled his level by the start of ToB and my companions were also around that level. There is no reason why CHARNAME can't kill Elminster and Elminster admits in ToB outside Sendai's lair that he does not dare fight you because he may not win a confrontation with you

Edvin

Ryofu said:

IIRC Elminster is a level 29 wizard in 2ed ADnD.

True, now imagine that Elminster vs your party (lvl 5-10) in BG1...
Without cheating, you would have practically no chance.

Maylander

Of couse he should be unkillable. Those who read Forgotten Realms novels should know a thing or two about what it takes to bring down such spellcasters. Elminster is protected so well it takes ages just to get through his protection spells.

Ryofu

Edvin said:

Ryofu said:

IIRC Elminster is a level 29 wizard in 2ed ADnD.

True, now imagine that Elminster vs your party (lvl 5-10) in BG1...
Without cheating, you would have practically no chance.

Oh you are talking about killing him in BG1? yeah then he should be unkillable

Edvin

@Ryofu
My mistake, i did not write it clearly enough.
I changed the topic name.

Tisamon

Well, then you should make Drizzt and Shandalar unkillable as well. As it stands, Drizzt can be killed, for example, solo by level 1 Barbarian with a sling (will take about 150 bullets, given the 5% hit chance). Is that any less outrageous?

Look, objectively speaking, for some people killing the pseudo-immortals is an integral part of the fun (not to mention it's the most efficient way to level up solo), so I can't see a real reason to make them all invincible. If their 'killability' really rubs you the wrong way, it is easily remedied with rudimentary modding (just set all of their resistance values to 100% in the respective CRE files).

PS: The EE engine has much more serious built-in/legacy issues, such as fake-talking, for instance. You can basically fake-talk anyone with a blue circle in BGEE/BG2EE (95% of the tough enemies). Does it mean you must do that? Obviously not. The same is true regarding the killable immortals: if you feel it's not to your liking - hey, what's the problem? - just don't do it.

Edvin

@Tisamon
Hey, do not complain me, i dont like unkillable persons too.
But Beamdog in EE did another pile invincible enemies, so would probably be easier to include also Elminster.

Of course I would prefer if Elminster instead got his strength, but I'm not sure if they will want to do that :-(

Emptiness

Simulacrum
Level:			8
School:			Illusion/Phantasm
Range:			0
Components:		V, S
Duration:		1 round/level
Casting Time:		9
Area of Effect:     	Special
Saving Throw:		None

A duplicate of the caster is created when this spell is cast. The duplicate is almost identical to the caster, making the duplicate a very powerful ally. The simulacrum is created at 60% of the level at which the caster is currently on. It has all the spells and abilities that the caster would have at that level. It also has 60% of the hit points of the caster. The simulacrum is fully under the control of the caster.

Elminster let you think you killed him.

smeagolheart

Elminster should be immune to death like in the novels. He can't be killed because he's a mary sue.

Dee

Not a bug. Post a feature request if you want him to be more wizardy.