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Who could be the worst ruler?

CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
Just based in three posts in one of @booinyoureyes polls, if they had the possibility to, who would be the worst ruler ever? Just some selected NPCs that could rule really bad, some might be missing!
Thanks go to Booiye for the ideas n' the help.
  1. Who could be the worst ruler?75 votes
    1. Tiax (he rules all, now HE POINTS AND CLICKS! He'll walk atop everyone! You are nothing but the grease of his wheels!)
      21.33%
    2. Sarevok (Sure he'll make wars and more wars! For Bhaal! Who lies now dead, I'll replace him, mwahaha!)
        9.33%
    3. Xzar (he become Death! Ruler of this world, mwahahaha! Death sentence for those that walk over the grass!!!)
        8.00%
    4. Korgan (Disagree, an' you'll have an ax' on yer head! Comply an' I'll split ya' in two!)
        0.00%
    5. Kagain (with all the taxes he has stolen I could buy the world, TWICE! Hehe, he's now stinking rich)
        1.33%
    6. Jan Jansen (aah, the Sword Coast, now our country produces 234,5% more turnips than the last year, this reminds me when Uncle Scratchy had a season where his harvest of turnips were over the thousand, you know, have I told you abo.....)
      10.67%
    7. Jon Irenicus (with all the power of your souls, I could un-tie this plane from it's material existance, destroy, to make my own!)
      17.33%
    8. Vhailor (justice is blind, but I am her eyes. Break the law, and we'll judge you without mercy, by ending your existance!)
        8.00%
    9. Other (someone that I haven't considered, maybe?).
      14.67%
    10. Show me the results (people who vote this won't get muffins anyway).
        9.33%
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  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    Considering that Sarevok really wanted to just plunge the world into death and decay, he pretty much takes the cake. No one else really has the motivation to destroy an entire world (although Irencius does have that thing against the elves... Still not the whole world). Korgan at least hates slavery and won't hurt kids, so he's already up a notch from some of the worst leaders in history.

    Kagain would make a close second. With his greed, he'd be way to easy for other, more evil organizations to manipulate.
  • LoubLoub Member Posts: 471
    Vhailor's the biggest asshole of the multiverse, so much that once he realizes how much of an asshole he is, he fades away from existence.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    Man, I love him to death, but no. Just no.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Volo. Honestly all that guy would do is write stuff!
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,582
    Isn't Vhailor from Planescape Torment?
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959



    Aerie - Ugh, Queen Aerie, seriously? Noooooooo!

    And so on.

    Queen Aerie would be magnificent!

    ps: Crevs and @Lemernis, I deleted the other thread already.
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    @SharGuidesMyHand I certainly couldn't let him out :P he would be very bad.

    @Loub I think that Cernd is even a biggest asshole, at least Vhailor fades from existence upon realization (I'm joking, but, Cernd is a complete asshole anyway).

    @elminster I don't know what bad things could Volo do as a ruler, but he certainly isn't the best option. He's very charismatic, so he might achieve peace with enemy countries fast.

    @IAmGoatBoy it's OK, and my mistake :)
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    @Heindrich I can't read Elminster's comment now, anyway don't worry, must be something about double posts for sure :) thanks for deleting it :D

    @Lemernis that's why I can't decide between Xzar and Tiax, with our mad gnome being a worshipper of Cyric it might go worst than with Xzar, still I'm undecided yet.

    @Silverstar don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side, I could be evil, but my goals could be good.
  • HerrderGezeitenHerrderGezeiten Member Posts: 139
    They are all good rulers.
    Or would you say to them they are not?

    Maybe you would never again need a hat.
  • JLeeJLee Member Posts: 650
    I put the over/under on a Tiax assassination at 1.5 hours after he assumes control.

    I'll take the under ;)
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Jon Irenicus.

    Because I don't like Jon Irenicus.
  • TwaniTwani Member Posts: 640
    Edwin sort of gets my vote, because god, he would just be awful- and he wants the position, a dangerous combination. And he has some intelligence, so he probably could take the throne and do awful things with it.

    Tiax is a servant of Cyric, and that would never do, but honestly, he'll be assassinated in minutes. Xzar is similiar.

    As for Sarevok, are we talking BG1 Sarevok or TOB Sarevok? Redeemed Sarevok, if he could find a country willing to take him, might actually be decent for the throne. BG1 Sarevok only wants power to spread the world in killing and murder and... well, yeah. At least most people think they have good reasons or good excuses.

    But I think maybe the worst of the worst would be Vhalior, because that would almost be too realistic. All the other examples are mostly completely out there, fantasy fiction only, you'd never see anyone with that mindset near power in real life- but there are many men and women in this world dedicated to some ideal concept who wish to erase all who don't fit in to that ideal. Vhailor wouldn't only be a very bad ruler, he'd be a very frightening, too realistic ruler. And that's just no fun at all. (Or lots of fun, for the fanfic writers, I suppose.)
  • casualtcasualt Member Posts: 35
    The Judge dreed of PST
  • AristilliusAristillius Member Posts: 873
    jackjack said:

    Man, I love him to death, but no. Just no.

    This. Awesome character - but enduring his irrational rulings would be unbearable when it can mean actually dying.
  • NecomancerNecomancer Member Posts: 622
    Tiax is crazy, but in a way that could be easily manipulated I imagine. Just make him *think* hes in charge.

    Sarevok just wants mass death. Terrible, still I think theres someone worse.

    Korgan is pretty bad but you could probably just keep him comfortable and run things from behind the scenes.

    Kagain would lust for power constantly and he'd be pretty terrible but I imagine he'd be reasonable enough given the right incentive.

    Jan Jansen is in the same boat as Tiax and Korgan. Keep them comfortable. Convince them they're in charge. All problems solved forever. Just keep him busy with eccentric little projects.

    Jon Irenecus is a tough one. All he wants is true immortality. Once he has that its hard to tell what he'd do. The real problem is he'd sacrifice people as if they were things to achieve his goals, but I still think there is worse.

    Vhailor is a monster, no doubt about that, but at least he'd obey rules of law and not take advantage of them. Truth be told, he'd kill those who do.

    My vote goes for Xzar. Irenecus uses people, Sarevok kills people, Xzar wants to do both those *while* torturing people. Remember his apprentices? He blatantly physically and mentally abused them for fun and left them a terrible mess. Afraid of their own shadows and lashing out without much provocation. Sarevok enjoys having power over people, but he seems like he'd leave you alive for only a little bit before murdering you. Irenecus sees people as tools, living under his rule is perfectly possible if you keep your head down I imagine.

    Xzar doesn't want to see the world burn. He wants to see it burnt, but alive and broken, knowing that he could do it again at any moment and make it worse. Hes a true sadist.
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    After much considering I ended up choosing for Irenicus, I don't think that murdering him or trying to make him leave the title of ruler will end his reign. He only wants power, in difference with Sarevok, who wants power, but to become the Lord of Murder, Jonaleth wants power, no matter if it's on a BIF, listed or not on the CHITIN.KEY or just a BCS, he only wants power. I think that if it wasn't by the PC (charname), Irenicus would had drained the Tree of Life, killed the Elves and headed to Athkatla for more power, I don't think that he could be stopped easily, and if he were the ruler he'll surely be able to organize his plans much more, probably he'll plan to steal all the Bhaalspawn souls around to increase his power, I don't think why he wants power, he just wants power, that makes him difficult to negotiate with.
  • LoubLoub Member Posts: 471
    CrevsDaak said:

    After much considering I ended up choosing for Irenicus, I don't think that murdering him or trying to make him leave the title of ruler will end his reign. He only wants power, in difference with Sarevok, who wants power, but to become the Lord of Murder, Jonaleth wants power, no matter if it's on a BIF, listed or not on the CHITIN.KEY or just a BCS, he only wants power. I think that if it wasn't by the PC (charname), Irenicus would had drained the Tree of Life, killed the Elves and headed to Athkatla for more power, I don't think that he could be stopped easily, and if he were the ruler he'll surely be able to organize his plans much more, probably he'll plan to steal all the Bhaalspawn souls around to increase his power, I don't think why he wants power, he just wants power, that makes him difficult to negotiate with.

    Interesting, similar things could be said about Dorn.
  • DelvarianDelvarian Member Posts: 1,232
    As Tiax is the only one to rule he is both the best, and worst ruler!
  • RhymeRhyme Member Posts: 190
    Saemon Havarian. Just try to imagine it.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    Keldorn. Seriously, if such an Lawful Good Psychopath (also called "Paladin" by some) was indeed the ruler of a nation, he'd bring down a holocaust on all of his subjects who doesn't adhere to his path of petty righteousness. Even Sarevok's plan to conjure a war between Baldur's Gate and Amn would pale in comparison to the daily smite executions of King Keldorn the Merciless.
  • KaltzorKaltzor Member Posts: 1,050
    Xzar is just too insane to be trusted in any position of authority...
  • O_BruceO_Bruce Member Posts: 2,790
    Is something like "good" ruler even exist? But if I had to choice the worst ruler here, it would probably be Jan Jansen. Not because he is so terrible as a person (because he isn't), but because I have an impression that he would screw up his role very quickly.
  • Demonoid_LimewireDemonoid_Limewire Member Posts: 424
    edited February 2014
    Irenicus... Madman, twisted, does not comprehend pain or suffering... Having him as ruler would mean the end. Of Faerun. Tiax was mad, but not of the dangerous variety and thakfully, he was confined... in the Asylum!

    Sarevok would be the best ruler, because out of those, he is the only one with pretty high intelligence (both literally and stats wise), you can reason with him and bargain just fine (ToB, anyone?), is very knowledgeable of setting's lore, plus able to defend himself and a full party of six better than ANYONE else, all at the same time! Plus he is the only one, who despite dying, did NOT loose his marbles throughout the entire course of the series, even if he lost everything, literally, and mostly from us; he even served under us! Redeeming qualities and change of heart is the best virtue out there!

    Xhar is derranged, and if i remember correctly, dead from Harpers in dock district. A dead ruler is no good ruler; especially one easily killed.

    Jan is a thief. As the imprisoned thief in the witcher 1 dungeon yells, "I am a simple thief, don't lock me up with the political prisoners, its a scandal!"! A thief, a small thief inventing up nonserious stories, would be content by stealing small things, inventing gear/gadgets and hiding himself from others around him; imagine giving him the ability to rule over others! Poor thing would be totally lost and clueless!

    The dwarves are short, don't get romance options, usually disliked and mistrusted (Duergars), suffer charisma penalty, and usually live in hiding or underground. Rulers of the Underdark maybe, makes sense! But not of surface...

    I don't know/remember who Vailor is, but still, Best ruler would be Sarevok, worst Irenicus, hands down! Worse even than Irenicus, probably only Amelyssan, the epitome of deceit, paranoia, cheating, theft, forgery and blackness of heart/mind. Irenincus had at least three dryads to knock off, relaxing properly preserved some basic brain activity normal and active! Amelyssan on the other hand...
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    Another reason I voted Tiax:

    Tiax would put the priesthood of Cyric in charge everywhere, although before long they would assassinate him because he'd probably exalt himself above Cyric. But then you're still left with Cryricists in control. A war would be inevitable, since the followers of many (just about all) other deities--and the deities themselves--could never abide that. So it would be one hot mess.
  • AnduinAnduin Member Posts: 5,745
    Anduin will rule all eventually...

    All things die... All things rot... Even stone weathers and crumbles...

    And all will join me eventually... Enemies will walk together hand in hand for me, for war will only make me stronger.

    I can be cheated... But I never can be denied...

    The ageless undead will walk the earth, and I Anduin will embalm them in my loving embrace.

    Until that day... I will count the centuries more numerous than the grains of sand on the shore. All will bow to me...

    Eventually...

    All...

    Care to join me?

    *Anduin smiles, its hard to do anything else without lips...*
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