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  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,152
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    booinyoureyesJuliusBorisovPibaro
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    @Booinyoureyes πολλά κωδικούς. morse, δυαδική, δεκαεξαδική και μία εγώ δεν είμαι ακόμη εξοικειωμένοι με

    http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html

    http://www.asciitohex.com

    Pibaro
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 20,949
    This has simply made my day

    ........______-----........>>>>><<<<<........-----______........

    PibaroCrevsDaak
  • PibaroPibaro Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 2,989
    Ok.... Now i can't go back to page 2 :(((((

  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 20,949
    @Pibaro‌ @Tresset‌ and everyone

    I've edited the thread's title so that we can again go to pages 1 and 2.

    It seems that browsers couldn't read discussion/32307/./p1 or discussion/32307/./p2 - that dot prevented browsers from opening anything except the last page.

    Now it works!

    TressetPibaroErgCrevsDaak
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    EaCtAhgrjdbnCaGrAdAbBdAtdihaazEaEfAbAuatabDmCjAkcnfuaudehqbaaqBlAyajapachnktbtacDcArDiGqAbbyDbAwdrbkandderatBubaalEuIfBu.
    FtbnApCrHmAcFmHuBuDpIoBxeieoawbjbmahEiEsAdCqauAvBjDjAnEpfiaaCnabAtEaEfAbCkDfAkejAralCuCpAoAgAfAwLbIxEt!

    No, unfortunately no online tool you use will translate this and I highly doubt any method you try will figure out what this says--it is an encryption algorithm of my own design. I won't give away any secrets but I will say that a simple procedure iterated several times becomes dizzyingly complex.

    PibaroCrevsDaak
  • PibaroPibaro Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 2,989
    edited June 2014
    @FinaLfront‌
    @Erg‌
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    @Mathsorcerer‌
    Gung'f purngvat
    :(((

    histay siay ymay astlay esortray

    ErgFinaLfrontJuliusBorisov
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    Pibaro said:

    histay siay ymay astlay esortray

    @Pibaro‌

    Iay ikelay histay neoay

    PibaroJuliusBorisov
  • omniliciousomnilicious Member Posts: 20
    It would appear, someone renamed the thread. I still can't believe an accidental post is getting this big. =)

    CrevsDaakFinneousPJ
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,152
    edited June 2014
    I'd like someone to decipher this :)
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    It's more shorter than what the eye tells.

    JuliusBorisov
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    edited June 2014
    CrevsDaak said:

    I'd like someone to decipher this :)

    It's more shorter than what the eye tells.

    Wow. Binary --> Morse --> plaintext. Working....but is a work in progress which will have to continue at the house.

    I am pretty certain that my spreadsheet macro was converting the binary to decimal then to characters to get dots, dashes, and spaces but it was the concatenating that was troubling me. So far, the first part translates as HFWVITSIHFWVINSAHFWVIKR4HFE so I have *clearly* done something incorrectly....unless you have another layer going on once you reach text.

    Post edited by Mathsorcerer on
    CrevsDaak
  • CorvinoCorvino Member Posts: 2,269
    I've tried Binary->Morse->Base32 and I'm still not getting anything, though the online Base32-to-text tools are a lot less good than for the other codes.

  • TeflonTeflon Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 517
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    I didn't think of trying base32. It can be difficult to reverse-engineer what someone else has done and it appears that @CrevsDaak has done something I cannot yet figure out. I have full text now but since it didn't make sense I tried a simple letter shift but nothing turned up, whether I went forward or backward covering the entire alphabet. I tried looking at the text backward, every other letter, every third letter, increasing shifts (first letter, shift once to get second letter, shift twice to get third letter, etc). I haven't tried stacking the text--perhaps it decodes vertically rather than horizontally.
    Morse doesn't cover non-ASCII letters, does it? Truthfully, I don't know. Could the dots and dashes themselves stand in place of 0s and 1s for the numbers 1 to 26, thus translating to letters? For example, . . - . would be 0010 = 2 = b or 1101 = 13 = m. *shrug* Don't know yet.

    CrevsDaak
  • Daralon87Daralon87 Member Posts: 236
    (boat guy: "Whyyyy is a duck saying S.O.S. in Morse code?")

    PibaromeaglothCrevsDaak
  • The_Potty_1The_Potty_1 Member Posts: 430
    If you break the text into chunks of 8 they show a fair amount of repeating structures, but the entire string is 434 long, so I got 54 chunks of 8 with 2 left over, and I took the remainder as a bad sign.

    HFWVITSI
    HFWVINSA
    HFWVIKR4
    HFWVI4SU
    ...

    However, dumping the 8-chunks into excel and sorting show quite a lot of outright repeats. I'm guessing something like the first 4 & last 2 chars of each chunk are purely for grouping and should be discarded, but no actual words have appeared yet. Dammit, I do have actual work to do here :p

  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    434 will break down into 31 blocks of 14 characters each, or 62 of 7 but I can't tell which just yet. There are some repeating letter patterns, like the hfwv early on, but also "jzed" and "coja" later on. I concur with @The_Potty_1--it is distracting trying to work on this when actual work keeps intruding on my time.

  • The_Potty_1The_Potty_1 Member Posts: 430
    OK so I massaged the text into 434 lines of single characters, imported them into SQL server, and did a select count to get the occurrence of each character. Note no 0,1,7,8,9, and severely skewed occurrences of the rest. Most significant is we have a 31-character alphabet, so I would say we need to convert this to binary-5, but from there I'm still pretty lost. I tried stringing it all together and then converting the binary-8 to chars, but no joy.

    Char Count
    2 16
    3 18
    4 16
    5 1
    6 4
    A 5
    B 16
    C 10
    D 16
    E 11
    F 21
    G 7
    H 18
    I 20
    J 12
    K 32
    L 5
    M 9
    N 16
    O 8
    P 3
    Q 11
    R 5
    S 27
    T 5
    U 25
    V 38
    W 31
    X 1
    Y 5
    Z 22

  • The_Potty_1The_Potty_1 Member Posts: 430
    edited June 2014
    D'oh got it, converted it to binary-5, replaced 1 with -, 0 with . and dumped it in the morse converter. The answer is clearly:
    QY8???7?QY8???7GQY8??6?MQY8??M7?QY8?6?TKQY8??87/QY8??87/QY8??6?MQY?89DO/QY8???7?QY8??M7?QY8???7CQY8??M7?QY8?6?TKQY8?TB7?/0?X7N6???6X7N6?/0?X7TN/??8X7N6?Z0GX7N6?Y?KX7N6?Y?KX7N6???6X7N6??0CX7N6?Z0GX7N6?=?ZX7N6?/0?X7TN/??8X7N6??0CX7N6?Z9Z???O0??6CC?O0??6QC?O0??6QC?O0??6B??O0??6Y??O0??6B??O0??8Q?=O0??6CM7O0??6CM7O0??6B??O0??6?8??0??6CC?O0??6Z/?O0??6Y??O0O?YZT?B??GM88NX?Y?M8T?B??GM8T?BB??M8T?X76?M8T??N=9M8T?BT??M8T?BT??M8T??N=9M8T??N=9

    ErgmeaglothCrevsDaak
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806

    D'oh got it, converted it to binary-5, replaced 1 with -, 0 with . and dumped it in the morse converter. The answer is clearly:
    QY8???7?QY8???7GQY8??6?MQY8??M7?QY8?6?TKQY8??87/QY8??87/QY8??6?MQY?89DO/QY8???7?QY8??M7?QY8???7CQY8??M7?QY8?6?TKQY8?TB7?/0?X7N6???6X7N6?/0?X7TN/??8X7N6?Z0GX7N6?Y?KX7N6?Y?KX7N6???6X7N6??0CX7N6?Z0GX7N6?=?ZX7N6?/0?X7TN/??8X7N6??0CX7N6?Z9Z???O0??6CC?O0??6QC?O0??6QC?O0??6B??O0??6Y??O0??6B??O0??8Q?=O0??6CM7O0??6CM7O0??6B??O0??6?8??0??6CC?O0??6Z/?O0??6Y??O0O?YZT?B??GM88NX?Y?M8T?B??GM8T?BB??M8T?X76?M8T??N=9M8T?BT??M8T?BT??M8T??N=9M8T??N=9

    Hehe, it's crevs, so that's probably the actual answer :P

    Pibaro
  • SionIVSionIV Member Posts: 2,686
    edited June 2014
    Reading all of this i can't help but to think you're all just writing stuff down and no one has any clue what you're doing. It's like trying to watch Xzar scribe a scroll into his spellbook, the only person in my party who had any idea what Xzar was doing, was Minsc.

    meagloth
  • FinaLfrontFinaLfront Member Posts: 260
    If I can't throw something on an internet converter and simply click a button, then I'm not interested.

    image

    Corvino
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    On the contrary, we know *exactly* what we are doing. It may not all make sense--even to us--but we definitely know what we are doing.

    That also remains a possibility--he could have encoded gibberish, in which case we can never tell if what we are doing is going to be useful or not. I want to say that this was a standard tactic used in the past--make every third encoded message nothing but nonsense so that when your enemies successfully decode it they think they made a mistake--but I am uncertain about this. It definitely sounds like something *I* would do, though, because that is how I think.

    To stay one step ahead of your opponents' attempts to decode your messages, though, you begin with a preset key based on the month, the day of the month, and the date of the week. For example, today is Friday 6 June, so it is (on the calendar I use) the 6th day of the week, the 6th day of the month, and the 6th month of the year. hrm....a certain subclass of numerologists might not like today, but that is neither here nor there. Anyway, when you send your first message you include, as part of the message, the key that the sender should use when replying. The sender then includes in his message the new key that you should use, and so on and so forth. Thus, the encryption changes with every message sent, so no two messages are sent using the same key. If your opponents are not able to decrypt the first message sent they will never be able to catch up, except by a statistically-improbable lucky guess. Clearly, though, you wouldn't want to base your key on the Gregorian calendar--that is too easy. Refer to the old Julian calendar or, ideally, use the Hebrew or Chinese calendars (in which case it is not the year 2014).

    CrevsDaak
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,152
    It was binary->morse->base32->ascii85->base64->hex->oct->text.

    If I use actual encodings like this

    EaCtAhgrjdbnCaGrAdAbBdAtdihaazEaEfAbAuatabDmCjAkcnfuaudehqbaaqBlAyajapachnktbtacDcArDiGqAbbyDbAwdrbkandderatBubaalEuIfBu.
    FtbnApCrHmAcFmHuBuDpIoBxeieoawbjbmahEiEsAdCqauAvBjDjAnEpfiaaCnabAtEaEfAbCkDfAkejAralCuCpAoAgAfAwLbIxEt!

    (which I couldn't decipher BTW), probably it would be more difficult as I would be following a variable subjective to changes for the algorithm (e.g. if it is A=rt38 in the first line, in the second line it would be rt40 and so on, but with a variation depending on the column axis too, so a letter A in the 2nd column and first line, it would be rt48).

    FinneousPJMathsorcererErg
  • OneAngryMushroomOneAngryMushroom Member Posts: 564
    *looks at all the morse code*
    ...
    Ohhhhkay then.
    .. - ... / -. --- - / .- -. / ... / .. - ... / - .... . / .- .-- -.- .-- .- .-. -.. / .--. .- ..- ... . / - .-. .. .--. .-.. . / -.. --- -

    lolien
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    edited June 2014
    CrevsDaak said:

    It was binary->morse->base32->ascii85->base64->hex->oct->text.

    I would send you a Guinness but I am afraid it would be warm by the time it arrived and there are some things which simply are *not* done, one of which is drinking Guinness warm. 7 simple iterations to arrive at a more complex destination--well done.
    CrevsDaak said:

    which I couldn't decipher BTW

    I could tell you how I did it but only under certain conditions: 1) not in public like this, 2) I would have to be certain you wouldn't tell anyone else. The beauty of my system dies, like all great secrets die, as more people know them. This is also why conspiracy theories are never (well, almost never) true--even if the probability of one person telling the secret in any given month is really low if too many people know then after enough time the secret gets revealed.

    CrevsDaakmeaglothlolien
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