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Cernd Badfather

I want to share my funniest Cernd story here. I've no idea if this has happened to anyone else, but it was so funny I remember it to this day.

It all started when we returned to Athkathla for the first time with Cernd in the party. I didn't intend to keep him permanently, just use every NPC a little while to do their personal quests. So if you've done Cernd's quest before you know the drill: Cernd meets old friend, old friend rejects him, Cernd visits old house, random beggar there insults him, Cernd visits old maid, old maid refuse to talk to him, Cernd visits his wife's new husband, who has their baby - we kill him, Cernd leaves the party to take the baby to the Druid Grove and asks us to meet him there.

Only it didn't happen that way. For some reason once we killed the guy holding the baby hostage, Cernd left the party but dropped the baby on his way out! I'd wager some of you didn't even know that there was an item for Cernd's boy as he essentially leaves the party with it and it's at the Grove by the time you recruit him back. But because of some full inventories and key items getting juggled around, we were left with a little baby-shaped sprite on the floor of Deril's estate.

Naturally, we picked up the child, wondering how Cernd could've been so remiss as to leave his son lying there. Strangely when we got to the Druid Grove, Cernd acted like he'd dropped the child off at the Grove and everything was fine. So we carried on our journey, only with a little baby tagging along.

The time came, as it does in every Cernd user's life, when we had to let him go. We put the baby into his inventory and bid him a fond farewell, removing him from the party. But again, we were thwarted - he thrust the baby back into our pockets before beating a hasty retreat!

Undeterred, we followed the deadbeat dad back to the Druid Grove. Since any attempt to give him his firstborn would result in a frustrating game of hot potato, we did the only thing we could: placed the child at his feet and left. When we returned to tie up some loose ends months later, we found the baby was still lying there, only now it was raining. Cernd didn't seem to notice.
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  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    He is better off without the kid. Ever seen his ending in ToB?
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited June 2014
    CrevsDaak said:

    This proves that Cernd is the biggest asshole from all of the NPCs.

    Dorn definitely beats him in that regard.
  • dustbubsydustbubsy Member Posts: 249
    Tresset said:

    He is better off without the kid. Ever seen his ending in ToB?

    Just read it. Wow...

    But I think you mean the kid would've been better off without Cernd

  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    @elminster‌ really? I've played with Dorn in both games and he didn't seem like Cernd to me. Maybe it has to do that Cernd is a Druid while Dorn is a Blackguard, so you should be expecting for him to not to be as nicest as possible.
    Tresset said:

    He is better off without the kid. Ever seen his ending in ToB?

    Last time I used Cernd (I was playing with a F/M/T, Cernd and no-one else), he got chunked (after getting Held previously) by Agazibal, so I couldn't see his epilogue :/
  • TwaniTwani Member Posts: 640
    I'm not sure how much of it is the kid's fault and how much of it is Cernd's method of parenting apparently being something like his method of being a loving husband (as in, not there at at all). I mean, if your child reaches the point where they develop a murderous grudge against you and all people like you, you probably messed up the parenting somewhere.

    We could go in to the details in that some people are simply born with mental disorders that make their actions completely out of whack with what might be expected of reasonable behaviour (I mean, maybe the child was born psychopathic), but considering the whole fantasy setting and the dev's 'love' of Cernd, I'm guessing we're meant to get the impression the whole thing is Cernd's fault.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    CrevsDaak said:

    @elminster‌ really? I've played with Dorn in both games and he didn't seem like Cernd to me. Maybe it has to do that Cernd is a Druid while Dorn is a Blackguard, so you should be expecting for him to not to be as nicest as possible.

    Sure there are different expectations due to differing classes/kits/alignments but ultimately Dorn chooses to

    murder an entire wedding party and the helmite camp
    even though he knows that he is having doubts about serving his patron. In my opinion that puts him well above Cernd in terms of who is the biggest a-hole among the NPCs.
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,582
    dustbubsy said:

    I want to share my funniest Cernd story here. I've no idea if this has happened to anyone else, but it was so funny I remember it to this day.

    It all started when we returned to Athkathla for the first time with Cernd in the party. I didn't intend to keep him permanently, just use every NPC a little while to do their personal quests. So if you've done Cernd's quest before you know the drill: Cernd meets old friend, old friend rejects him, Cernd visits old house, random beggar there insults him, Cernd visits old maid, old maid refuse to talk to him, Cernd visits his wife's new husband, who has their baby - we kill him, Cernd leaves the party to take the baby to the Druid Grove and asks us to meet him there.

    Only it didn't happen that way. For some reason once we killed the guy holding the baby hostage, Cernd left the party but dropped the baby on his way out! I'd wager some of you didn't even know that there was an item for Cernd's boy as he essentially leaves the party with it and it's at the Grove by the time you recruit him back. But because of some full inventories and key items getting juggled around, we were left with a little baby-shaped sprite on the floor of Deril's estate.

    Naturally, we picked up the child, wondering how Cernd could've been so remiss as to leave his son lying there. Strangely when we got to the Druid Grove, Cernd acted like he'd dropped the child off at the Grove and everything was fine. So we carried on our journey, only with a little baby tagging along.

    The time came, as it does in every Cernd user's life, when we had to let him go. We put the baby into his inventory and bid him a fond farewell, removing him from the party. But again, we were thwarted - he thrust the baby back into our pockets before beating a hasty retreat!

    Undeterred, we followed the deadbeat dad back to the Druid Grove. Since any attempt to give him his firstborn would result in a frustrating game of hot potato, we did the only thing we could: placed the child at his feet and left. When we returned to tie up some loose ends months later, we found the baby was still lying there, only now it was raining. Cernd didn't seem to notice.

    He's still a better father than Keldorn.
  • dustbubsydustbubsy Member Posts: 249



    He's still a better father than Keldorn.

    Ha! Well at least Keldorn was a father to his men. Cernd doesn't seem to inspire anyone, unless inspiring us to hate him counts...
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited June 2014



    Also, I find it both bizarre and a bit humorous that Cernd's response to feeling remorseful about being a negligent father was to set out to kill his son.

    It would be more accurate to say that he set out to stop his son (which could come from his sons death or through dialogue).
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    Tresset said:

    He is better off without the kid. Ever seen his ending in ToB?

    That's his own fault for being an absentee dad
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    Poor Cernd. I didn't realize so many people hated him... I thought Ano the dung orc would have gotten more hate...
  • SapphireIce101SapphireIce101 Member Posts: 866
    @Tresset - If it makes you feel any better, I hate Assnomen Ano the dung orc with the heat of a thousand suns. Sometimes I feel like I should give him the "Khalid Treatment".

    As for Cernd, I'll admit it. The dude is a bad father. Of course, I don't completely blame him for it though. The guy didn't even know he was a dad until he returned to Athkatla with the PC.
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    edited June 2014
    Wow so Cernd and Coran are like Faerûnian counterparts to my father!

    Except my father's not a smelly Therianthrope.
  • SapphireIce101SapphireIce101 Member Posts: 866
    To be honest, I think Coran is a worse father than Cernd. I mean, just think of the bastard children Coran may have. Conspiracy Theory: Coran is Bhaal. I don't think Coran would have helped Namara if Brielbara didn't force Coran into dealing with Yago.

    As for Keldorn, he isn't as bad as Cernd, or Coran. Keldorn basically has father of the year when it comes to all the fathers in Baldur's Gate.
  • dustbubsydustbubsy Member Posts: 249
    We need a "worst father in Baldur's Gate" poll! Bhaal, Rieltar, Angelo, Lord Cor Delryn, Deril, the list goes on...
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    Gorion was the best father of the bunch.

    And look what happened to him... ;_;
  • AutequiAutequi Member Posts: 403
    Is CHARNAME a good father, do you think? Schlepping an infant around the realms in a backpack...
  • SapphireIce101SapphireIce101 Member Posts: 866
    Well, technically, the infant is in Aerie's backpack, not the PCs. So, really, that's Aerie's bad.
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  • SapphireIce101SapphireIce101 Member Posts: 866
    What about Winthrop? I think I would consider him a better father than Gorion at any rate. Sure, Gorion found Imoen, but she mostly hung out with Winthrop, and he basically became Imoen's guardian.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    Winthrop is a morally bankrupt deviant. I wouldn't let him near my offspring, if they existed.
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438

    What about Winthrop? I think I would consider him a better father than Gorion at any rate. Sure, Gorion found Imoen, but she mostly hung out with Winthrop, and he basically became Imoen's guardian.

    My heart, it's waaaarrrm!

    I think the best father is that of the little girl at the waterfalls. I mean come on he uses high-level magic to bring cats back to life!
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